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Exclusive: 'I Married John Karr At 13'
ABC News/San Jose ^ | 8.23.06

Posted on 08/24/2006 7:56:34 AM PDT by apackof2

Quientana Ray was just 12 years old when she met John Mark Karr, the 41-year-old man under arrest for the 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Within a year, against her parents wishes, she and Karr, then 19, were married.

Ex-Wife Claims She Was Drugged, Abused

Ray said she met Karr at a party in Hamilton, Ala.,and he proceeded to seduce her. Her parents, Melissa and Larry Shotts, said they were opposed to the marriage.

The couple had a lengthy battle with Ray's parents over the relationship. According to Ray's parents, Karr became more defensive and threatening as they continued to oppose the couple's plans.

And Ray said Karr became a different person after they were married.

"I believed he loved me," she said. But her marriage to Karr lasted less than a year. That year, according to Ray, was a tumultuous one.

"I was drugged and things were done to me without me having any idea," said Ray, who is now married with a 4-month-old child.

In 1985, after nine months of marriage, Shotts filed for an annulment, complaining in court records that she was "fearful for her life and safety."

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TOPICS: Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: childmurder; co; jonbenet; karr; ramsey; tooweird; whitetrash; wife
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There is a picture of his ex-wife on site.
She looks like a grown up version of Jon Benet Ramsey or what Jon Benet may have looked like if
her life hadn't been taken by a vicious child killer

Sad

1 posted on 08/24/2006 7:56:35 AM PDT by apackof2
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To: apackof2

Why does this story remind me of Gary Condit so much?


2 posted on 08/24/2006 7:59:16 AM PDT by thoughtomator (There is no "Islamofascism" - there is only Islam)
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To: nopardons; zgirl

Interesting


3 posted on 08/24/2006 7:59:39 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: apackof2

Karr's almost messed up enough to be a US senator.


4 posted on 08/24/2006 8:05:06 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Xenalyte; B-Chan
Quientana Ray was just 12 years old when she met John Mark Karr

"Corellation of social pathologies with idiot names" ping. What was 12-year-old Quientana doing at a party with 19-year-old John?

5 posted on 08/24/2006 8:06:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: apackof2; Admin Moderator

BTTT

This is an interesting story. JMO, perhaps it could be bumped to news, or front page news.


6 posted on 08/24/2006 8:06:53 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: Tax-chick

If her parents opposed the marriage so vehemently, how come they couldn't get a restraining order on Karr or something to keep the ceremony from taking place?

And who performed the ceremony?


7 posted on 08/24/2006 8:07:47 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No movie shall triumph over "Snakes on a Plane.")
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To: apackof2

What were her parents thinking? Married at 13?


8 posted on 08/24/2006 8:08:26 AM PDT by EX52D (Life is a stage, and we are merely players...)
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To: Tax-chick
What was 12-year-old Quientana doing at a party with 19-year-old John?

2 possibilites come to mind

1. Bad parenting
2. Pre-teen sneaking out to party with the older crowd

9 posted on 08/24/2006 8:09:15 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: Xenalyte; EX52D
From article:

"Her parents, Melissa and Larry Shotts, said they were opposed to the marriage.

The couple had a lengthy battle with Ray's parents over the relationship. According to Ray's parents, Karr became more defensive and threatening as they continued to oppose the couple's plans."

This is in Alabama however it seems that 13 is too young in any state

10 posted on 08/24/2006 8:11:45 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: apackof2

Both possible, yes.


11 posted on 08/24/2006 8:12:10 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: Xenalyte

Good questions. Maybe her parents' opposition was as effective as their supervision :-).


12 posted on 08/24/2006 8:13:07 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: sully777
Its the picture of the ex-wife that I see as most interesting as she REALLY does
look like a grown up JonBenet
13 posted on 08/24/2006 8:13:15 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: EX52D

white trash? Or is the more politically correct term "white recycleables."


14 posted on 08/24/2006 8:14:11 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Tax-chick
It seems like at some point they had to sign for her

I don't know what Alabama law is on this but I would be surprised if a 13 yr. old could get married WITHOUT parental approval

15 posted on 08/24/2006 8:14:48 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: cdcdawg; Moose4

"Caucasian-American recyclables."


16 posted on 08/24/2006 8:15:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: EX52D

Sadly, there are parents that married early and this is a generational problem until some girls in the family decide to finish HS and graduate college. When the cycle is broken and the family becomes more prosperous and intelligent then you see families view such marriages as barbaric and perverted.

Until then, it's the same old same old!


17 posted on 08/24/2006 8:15:00 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: apackof2

I suspect you're right, and that the whole story is very sordid.


18 posted on 08/24/2006 8:16:07 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: Tax-chick
2006 in Alabama:

Under 18: If either of you are under 18, you will need a certified copy of your birth certificate. Both parents must be present with identification, or if you have a legal guardian they must be present with a court order and identification.

As a side note cousins can marry in Alabama

20 posted on 08/24/2006 8:19:07 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: sully777

Aww!


21 posted on 08/24/2006 8:19:08 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: apackof2

Well, that's reasonable. Might have been different law 22 years ago, though.

One first-cousin marriage is no big deal, genetically. It's multiple generations of it that zots the gene pool.


22 posted on 08/24/2006 8:20:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: sully777

That's pretty judgemental and quite rude, really


23 posted on 08/24/2006 8:21:12 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: apackof2

If that would have been my 13 year old daughter, the battle would be short lived with him looking down the barrel of my shotgun.


24 posted on 08/24/2006 8:21:21 AM PDT by EX52D (Life is a stage, and we are merely players...)
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To: Tax-chick

If she were my daughter, my opposition to the relationship would have involved a convent for the girl and shallow grave in a lonely place for the man.


25 posted on 08/24/2006 8:22:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: Tax-chick
Might have been different law 22 years ago, though.

Just what I was thinking

It's multiple generations of it that zots the gene pool.

True

26 posted on 08/24/2006 8:22:37 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: apackof2
Not bad. Not bad at all!


27 posted on 08/24/2006 8:24:57 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: EX52D
I agree

Parents are supposed to protect their children

28 posted on 08/24/2006 8:25:21 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: Bigh4u2
To me she DOES look like a grown up Jon Benet Ramsey or what she very well could have looked like if she hadn't been brutally murdered
29 posted on 08/24/2006 8:27:17 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: apackof2
That's pretty judgemental and quite rude, really
For whom? The squirrel?

You must excuse me, down here in Oklahoma many of my neighbors will call such marriages, or squalid living conditions (poor and proud), as indications of being white trash. Many use the term ALBINO to emphasize the whiteness of the trash.

I'll alert my neighbors that this is no longer acceptable. They'll have to go back to the tried and true: Must be from Arkansas.
30 posted on 08/24/2006 8:29:44 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: apackof2
Yeah. Very close.


31 posted on 08/24/2006 8:29:56 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: apackof2

Stunning similarity!!


32 posted on 08/24/2006 8:31:33 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau; Bigh4u2
Stunning similarity!!

I thought so

Bigh4u2, thanks for posting the side-by-side

Although that's what is so sad to me, what Jon Bent DIDN'T get to look like

And not just JonBent but all the other little girls who were victims of such evil

It makes me ill and my heart breaks for the parents

33 posted on 08/24/2006 8:35:23 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: Little Ray

I would feel very strongly the same way.


34 posted on 08/24/2006 8:36:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: apackof2

"It makes me ill and my heart breaks for the parents"

I couldn't even imagine what I would be feeling if it had been one of my girls.

Sad indeed.


35 posted on 08/24/2006 8:38:29 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

That helps to explain Karr's obsession with poor JonBenet. She was his type.

I don't care how "harmless" beauty pageants are. In this day and age, parents should not put their little girls out on display. There are too many freaks roaming around.


36 posted on 08/24/2006 8:55:41 AM PDT by Cecily (`)
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To: Cecily

A 6 year old girl should not be wearing makeup and paraded around a stage. Period.


37 posted on 08/24/2006 9:01:54 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: apackof2

Criminy.... they're all coming out of the woodwork. If they're telling the truth about Karr, would it be admissable in court?


38 posted on 08/24/2006 9:06:41 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Don't let reality ruin your day.)
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To: Cecily
In this day and age,

Sad but true

39 posted on 08/24/2006 9:06:55 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: Bigh4u2

Too awful to contemplate


40 posted on 08/24/2006 9:07:40 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: fivecatsandadog

"If they're telling the truth about Karr, would it be admissable in court?"


Character witnesses?


41 posted on 08/24/2006 9:09:27 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

"A 6 year old girl should not be wearing makeup and paraded around a stage. Period."

Amen.

There is some kind of "kid-fetish" this country has. I was watching a bluegrass program on public television once that seemed to be aimed at an older audience (most of the musicians were retired-age). Out of nowhere, they just started showing pictures of babies with bluegrass playing in the background. No names or anything, just pictures of babies and toddlers.

It creeped me out.


42 posted on 08/24/2006 9:14:00 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: Cecily

**There are too many freaks roaming around.**

That, and it messes up their head. Too many women put themselves through h#ll trying to look like beauty queens. And sadly, anything less than "beautiful" these days sometimes isn't good enough for a lot of people.


43 posted on 08/24/2006 9:15:57 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Don't let reality ruin your day.)
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To: L98Fiero

It's like that cute 11 year old singer on 'So you think you got talent'(can't remember her name) that was told by the one moron judge that she sang good but had to 'change your hair, change your clothes, change your shoes).

Next thing you know, instead of looking like an innocent kid, she looks like a small 'adult'.

Totally bull.

Let kids be kids.


44 posted on 08/24/2006 9:17:25 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

Holy $h!t .. that's too freakin' scarey.


45 posted on 08/24/2006 9:21:05 AM PDT by knarf (Someone stole my tagline !! It was here a minute ago .. /8^( ...)
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To: Bigh4u2

The most memorable kid performers to me are the ones in commercials that look and act like KIDS. Some kids have talent. They don't have to be "little adults" to express it. Like you said, let 'em be kids.


46 posted on 08/24/2006 9:22:08 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: L98Fiero

Could you imagine what would have happened if they made over Shirley Temple?

Whatever happened to 'innocence'!


47 posted on 08/24/2006 9:25:21 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

Even helliwood knew Shirley was done after what? ... ten years old?


48 posted on 08/24/2006 9:27:04 AM PDT by knarf (Someone stole my tagline !! It was here a minute ago .. /8^( ...)
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To: knarf

Yeah.

The nose is the same. The mouth is the same. And even the 'square jaw' seems to be the same.
Almost could have been sisters.


Scary and sad that she didn't get to grow up.


49 posted on 08/24/2006 9:27:32 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: knarf
Yep. She retired in 1949 from acting. Still was very striking as she aged tho. Picture of her with the then Canadian Prime Minister.
50 posted on 08/24/2006 9:31:41 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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