Files From Duke Rape Case Give Details but No Answers

NY Times ^ | Published: August 25, 2006 | By DUFF WILSON and JONATHAN D. GLATER

[muawiyah]

Naw, don't believe the "tried to hit the officer" stuff. If you're screwed up enough to do some of the other things she was observed doing, you're probably too screwed up to do anything with intent.

Besides, as I pointed out, even here in Nirvana where the cops are all perfect, they usually lie about why they shot and killed a motorist by saying "he tried to run me over".

It's just an excuse ~ kind of like claiming you sneezed after you sideswipe a couple of dozen cars parked along a road.

It's the old "act of God" thing but with a new, blue dress.

[muawiyah]

It centers around "intent", and both conditions can be of enough severity to impair the ability to form an intent.

Frequently medicine is now available to alleviate many of the symptoms. Can't imagine why anyone would mix any of that stuff with alcohol but they do, and she does.

[muawiyah]

You keep saying "trying" with no evidence whatsoever that this woman is able of forming "intent".

She's a whack job ~ nuttier than a fruitcake ~ all of which is evident from her criminal track record, her occupation, and what her friends have to say about her ~ and you want me to think she's just running a con.

I'd suggest you get out more often; maybe volunteer at your local mental health outpatient clinic. Lots of folks coming in there need really basic help because being bipolar or depressed, or having certain neurological impairments can, combined with the medication administered to treat the symptoms, can make your life darned difficult ~

[muawiyah]

Whoa, you're going too far. You don't have to be psychotic to be a total nut case. In fact, you'll notice that a psychosis can be created by mania and depression, as well as drugs.

Here -----> ANSWER.com says about Psychosis = Any disorder of higher mental processes of such severity that judgments pertaining to the reality of external events are significantly impaired.

A wide range of conditions can bring about a psychotic state. They include schizophrenia, mania, depression, ingestion of drugs, withdrawal from drugs, liver or kidney failure, endocrine disorders, metabolic disorders, and Alzheimer's disease, epilepsy, and other neurologic dysfunctions.

The dreams of normal sleep are a form of psychosis.

[old and cranky]

So if someone is impaired and they almost hit someone, even say a cop, we should just blow it off because there wasn't intent. I would assume the same goes if they actually hit the person, the person should apologize because he should have known where the car was going and stayed out of the way.

If you sneeze and sideswipe a couple dozen cars, you are guilty of sideswiping a couple of dozen cars, despite your intent.

By the way God did not make her drink, drive, speed, etc. she did that of her own free will.

[fabriclady]

"Being certified as nuts, as in not knowing right from wrong, is what I was referring to. Bi-polar people know right from wrong as well as anybody else. When they're on a high cycle, they make bad choices and abandon varying degress of restraint, but you are wrong or misled if you think that means they don't know right from wrong."

You are reading between the lines.
Did I say they don't know right from wrong? Where!

Are you a doctor or aspiring to be a doctor, or do you just know everything?

My Dad was a man with loads of common sense.
He often told us to "beware of the man that knows it all, he probably has a lot to learn".

[RecallMoran]

Early in the case, Dukies noted that you had to be very careful when going into Durham -- everybody had horror stories of Duke students venturing into the city alone. I really don't think of Durham as a bad place but a typical medium sized town that did not adjust from the collapse of the tobacco and textile industries in the early 1980s. I understand things have gotten better recently but it is not a place students should venture into without someone else.

[Jezebelle]

Please, stop with the helpless Crystal routine.

We are all presumed able to form intent. In adults, it is only when a mental defect is so severe, which neither bipolar nor depression are, but severe retardation or insanity would be, that the actor is deemed incapable of forming the requisite intent.

If Crystal's life is difficult, it's because she made it that way with bad judgment.

[Jezebelle]

Mua is just another deluded lefty trying to find a way to excuse this despicable woman's conduct. He tries to do that by claiming that her bipolar condition means she should be excused from exercising the reasonable restraint and judgment the rest of us adhere to.

*SHRUG*

[Jezebelle]

Then you agree that there are no known reasons why Crystal should be excused from knowing right from wrong.

Thank you.

[muawiyah]

The rest of us? You sure fooled me.

Mental illness is not a question of moral judgment.

[muawiyah]

Jez, seems to me you want to make sure that the prosecutor down in Durham has every possible chance to convict some innocent men.

[BykrBayb]

Just checking your recent posts, to see if I could figure out whether or not you agree with the racist statements, since you keep refusing to answer. Should I take this post as your answer?

[anton]

You asked me if I agreed with some excerpts of an ABC video. I told you that I don't watch ABC videos. Not for me or for you. OK?

You form your opinions from the information sources you choose I'll do the same. OK?

Do I think that people should be free to advocate racial segregation in marriage and social circumstances? Is that your question? If so, why do you care what I think?

[BykrBayb]

I only care what you think to the extent that I like to know when I'm dealing with a racist. I'd prefer a straight answer over your word games, but you've answered the question in your own little way.