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Files From Duke Rape Case Give Details but No Answers
NY Times ^ | Published: August 25, 2006 | By DUFF WILSON and JONATHAN D. GLATER

Posted on 08/24/2006 8:01:43 PM PDT by Perdogg

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To: SarahUSC
Are you disputing the manufacturer's warning?

That's the complete defense case right there ~ nothing happened outside of that woman's head and, lo and behold, here's the evidence ~ official United States government regulated drug tests!

Hallucinations can be quite vivid and real ~ but only to the person having them.

61 posted on 08/25/2006 5:19:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ltc8k6
"How can the nurse say there was blunt force trauma, but it not be in the report?"

That's where I'm getting lost. Why does it appear she put one thing in the report, yet told the officer something different??

62 posted on 08/25/2006 5:21:23 AM PDT by sweet_diane
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To: sweet_diane

Her pimp beat the sh#t out of her the day after the gig when she told him she didn't have any money to show...


63 posted on 08/25/2006 5:24:36 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: sweet_diane

Officer:
Are those consistent with blunt force trauma

Nurse:
Not usually, but I guess it is possible

There you go.


64 posted on 08/25/2006 5:29:28 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: sweet_diane

Exactly - You just answered your own question.

IT IS NOT IN THE REPORT!! This is Gottlieb filling in the gaps, further fabricated this sham!

"On March 21, a week after an African-American woman charged that she had been raped by three white Duke University lacrosse players, the police sergeant supervising the investigation met with the sexual-assault nurse who had examined the woman in the emergency room. The Sergeant,Mark D. Gottlieb, reviewed the medical report, which did not say much: some swelling, no visible bruises.

But the sergeant’s case notes also recount what the nurse told him in response to his questions:

that the woman appeared to be in so much pain that it took “an extended period of time” to examine her, and that the “blunt force trauma” seen in the examination “was consistent with the sexual assault that was alleged by the victim.”


65 posted on 08/25/2006 5:42:08 AM PDT by FlowJo (Islam, the religion of tolerance, my foot (or my head??))
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Read further, the article also says on page 4 of 8:

(Ms. Roberts has given contradictory accounts. On March 22, she told the police that the rape accusation was “a crock,” and that she had been with the accuser for all but five minutes of the party. Later, though, she revised her story to the police and told National Public Radio that a rape “could have happened,” but that she had not seen or heard it. Defense lawyers argued that she changed her story to suit an opportunity: on April 17, Mr. Nifong personally changed Ms. Roberts’s bail status on her probation violation, reducing her bond payment by $1,875.)

No reason for the NYT to devote more than half a sentence to that tiny little detail. No agenda here.

66 posted on 08/25/2006 5:52:51 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
“The victim was at home alone with her two young children,” the sergeant wrote, noting she walked slowly and in obvious pain. “Her facial expressions conveyed her pain as she ambulated.” She sat so neither hip touched the sofa. “Anytime her bottom touched the sofa cushion while repositioning during our interview, she groaned and had a facial expression consistent with pain.”

During that interview, the woman, who is dark skinned, said bruises were beginning to show from the attack. A female officer took photographs and confirmed that “she had the onset of new bruises present,” Sergeant Gottlieb wrote. (The female officer’s report does not mention bruises.)

Did the police suggest she get any help with the two young children? One would think that someone in that much pain would be incapable of taking care of anyone but themselves? Maybe Gottlieb left that part out or he didn't think to ask as he was so interested in her life story?

67 posted on 08/25/2006 6:02:58 AM PDT by Neverforget01
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
More from the NYT: Medical records in police files show that doctors had previously diagnosed depression and bipolar disorder. Should she not be on medication for the biploar disorder? That doesn't cure itself.
68 posted on 08/25/2006 6:11:39 AM PDT by Neverforget01
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Repost:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1684229/posts?page=772#772

To: Mike Nifong; TommyDale; abb; All

Maggief and I did a bit of digging today.

Brian Taylor (OUR Brian Taylor) had a fenderbender in the parking lot of Kinko's on August 14, 2006.

Brian has moved to a new address.
Honda's seem to be the car of choice in the sex worker industry (wonder if they have a fleet?)

Brian had a new passenger.
Accident Date: 08/14/2006
Medina Mahaya Clark 21 yrs old

Ms Clark is an acting student at NCCU.

One article states she is from Atlanta.Upon further research we discovered she was not from Atlanta, but Hackensack, NJ.

Looking at her family, maggief wondered why he would be driving her?


Why would he be driving her ...

Note Tuskegee:

CLARK, SULAYMAN 52 Available Available TUSKEGEE INSTITUTE, AL
LINCOLN UNIVERSITY, PA
LINCOLN UNIV, PA
HACKENSACK, NJ
DURHAM, NC CLARK, SALAZNA (age 52)
CLARK, SULAYMAN (age 52)
CLARK, MEDINA MAHAYA (age 21)
CLARK, MEKKA ANGELICA (age 20)


http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:6lQSwjjEwjcJ:www.tuskegee.edu/Global/story.asp%3FS%3D1142285+%22SULAYMAN+clark%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9&client=firefox-a


The possibility of receiving federal funds is great news to Tuskegee’s Vice President for University Advancement, Dr. Sulayman Clark.

"We are delighted that the nation is turning its attention to its most precious educational resources – HBCUs like Tuskegee," said Clark who, along with Tuskegee President, Dr. Benjamin F. Payton, is championing a $60 million Legacy Campaign for the University.
-------
But wait,there is more!
:-)
http://www.facultyvoice.com/News/news2003/10-October/Newarrivals.html

North Carolina Central
DURHAM, NC - Sulayman Clark has joined the administrative staff as vice chancellor of institutional advancement. Clark formerly served as vice president for university advancement at Tuskegee Institute and as vice president of development at Hampton University. At Hampton, Clark directed the university’s $200 million capital campaign. Clark received a bachelor’s degree in psychology and community mental health from Cheyney University, a master’s degree in educational research from Stanford University and a doctorate in administration, planning, and social policy from Harvard University.


http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:ogOfELI2WtgJ:www.nccu.edu/publicrelations/archives/128.htm+%22SULAYMAN+clark%22+durham&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a




772 posted on 08/24/2006 9:20:23 PM CDT by Protect the Bill of Rights


69 posted on 08/25/2006 6:14:00 AM PDT by maggief
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To: iowamark


When the NY Times writes, it's time to be suspicious.


70 posted on 08/25/2006 6:15:22 AM PDT by fabriclady
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To: All
From pages 6 & 7 of the article - compare the detail of this (procedurally tainted) photo ID to the descriptions of her drunken / drugged condition the night of the party. Stunning recollection for someone so disoriented that night.

The third and final photo identification session occurred on April 4. Mr. Nifong suggested to the investigators that they show the woman pictures of all 46 white lacrosse players — taken 12 days before — and ask if she remembered seeing each one at the party and if so, what he had been doing. About 30 players had been at the party.

Sergeant Gottlieb showed the woman each picture for a minute. The full transcript shows some precise recollections, three weeks after a relatively brief encounter with a large group of white strangers.

The third man pictured “was sitting on couch in front of TV,” the woman said. The fourth “looked like Bret but I’m not sure.” The fifth “looks like one of the guys who assaulted me.” How sure was she? Sergeant Gottlieb asked. “He looks just like him without the mustache,” the woman said. Ninety percent sure.

This was Mr. Evans. His lawyers and family say he has never had a mustache.

The sixth picture she did not recognize. The seventh “looks like one of the guys who assaulted me.” Asked how sure she was, the woman said 100 percent and described what he had done. This was Mr. Seligmann.

Another student was standing outside talking, the woman told the police. Two others were drinking in the bedroom. Another wore khaki shorts. She said the person in one picture was the one who had given her the $400; this was proved accurate. Another was sitting in the kitchen, another outside, talking; one was sitting in the front row during the dance; another sitting on the couch watching TV; another made the broomstick comment; two of them she remembered yelling excitedly during the dance; and another, she said, was the third man who had assaulted her.

71 posted on 08/25/2006 6:21:21 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: maggief

Forgive my senior moment, maggie - who's Brian Taylor?


72 posted on 08/25/2006 6:21:24 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Meant to mention - the above being the '3rd & final' ID session, 3 weeks after the party...


73 posted on 08/25/2006 6:22:31 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
More from the NYT: Medical records in police files show that doctors had previously diagnosed depression and bipolar disorder. Should she not be on medication for the biploar disorder? That doesn't cure itself.
74 posted on 08/25/2006 6:23:52 AM PDT by Neverforget01
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To: abb

Brian Taylor:

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/443932.html


75 posted on 08/25/2006 6:26:04 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief; All
Sorry for the double posting above. There's another inconsistancy in the NYT report. The sane nurse orally noted how much pain the AV was in when the vaginal exam was being done yet:

She told the U.N.C. doctors that she had denied being in pain in the Duke emergency room because she was “drunk and did not feel pain.”

76 posted on 08/25/2006 6:31:09 AM PDT by Neverforget01
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To: JLS

I expect Himan will admit he was wrong or he was the secondary recorder and got a kleenex or something on direct.

Himan works for Gottlieb. Himan will not stand behind his own notes, IMO.


77 posted on 08/25/2006 6:34:46 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: All

If this hasn't already be said, I'll say it:

This is what Gottlieb wrote, signed and submitted to the court - as well as TWO other DPD/DA members -

"medical RECORDS OBTAINED via SUBPOENA reveal..."

This was stated in at least three sworn documents requesting Court approval. All 3 of those documents are signed before the Medical records had been compiled and/or Duke Med Ctr had satisfied the subpoena (on 4/5).

So one has to ask why that wording if as Gottlieb says NOW - it was all gathered from a private conversation?

"medial RECORDS OBTAINED via SUBPOENA reveal..."

It doesn't make any sense.


78 posted on 08/25/2006 6:38:44 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: Perdogg

So what do we know about Duff Wilson and Jonathan D. Glater, the two assassins who wrote this tripe? Typical NY Times crap.


79 posted on 08/25/2006 6:43:35 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: Mike Nifong
I made mention of this on the old thread. Could Gottlieb have access to the report before it's subpoenaed?


On March 21, a week after an African-American woman charged that she had been raped by three white Duke University lacrosse players, the police sergeant supervising the investigation met with the sexual-assault nurse who had examined the woman in the emergency room. The sergeant, Mark D. Gottlieb, reviewed the medical report, which did not say much: some swelling, no visible bruises.
80 posted on 08/25/2006 6:43:40 AM PDT by maggief
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