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JonBenet Ramsey Murder Suspect Karr - Case Thread 2
FRee Republic ^ | 8/28/06 | FReepers, et alii

Posted on 08/28/2006 9:01:50 AM PDT by Rte66

This is a reference thread with links to previous FR threads discussing the arrest of a suspect, John Mark Karr, in the decade-old cold case concerning the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, plus case resources for continued commentary on investigation of the crime.


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1 posted on 08/28/2006 9:01:51 AM PDT by Rte66
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2 posted on 08/28/2006 9:02:37 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts + Arbua is a cesspool)
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To: onyx; stlnative; MizSterious; null and void; gridlock; hershey; hoosiermama; PilloryHillary; ...

JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case Suspect
FR Thread Roundup 1
Free Republic ^ | August 16-27, 2006

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=2#2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=460#460
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=648#648
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=1020#1020
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=1652#1652
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=1939#1939
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=2365#2365


3 posted on 08/28/2006 9:04:17 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: All

[About the Judge]
http://www.courts.state.co.us/district/20th/judges/20distrbailin.htm

[About the Court]
http://www.courts.state.co.us/district/20th/20dist.htm
[Court News releases]
http://www.courts.state.co.us/main.cfm?webdiv=1166&top=132
[Court Scheduling]
http://www.courts.state.co.us/main.cfm?webdiv=1167&top=132
[Reference to Gag Order - pdf]
http://www.courts.state.co.us/docs/Karr-Publicity.pdf

[About the Boulder Co. Sheriff]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/sheriff/
[About the Boulder Co. Jail]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/sheriff/jail/jail.htm
[Karr Info - Sheriff]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/sheriff/johnkarr.htm
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/sheriff/pdf/custody.pdf

[About the DA - Mary Keenan Lacy]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/portrait.htm
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/

[JonBenet Ramsey Case Info - DA's Office]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/pr/
[Info on Court Appearance 8/28/06]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/newsroom/templates/?a=564&z=13
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4 posted on 08/28/2006 9:05:46 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: All

[Links to Docs: http://www.courts.state.co.us/main.cfm?webdiv=1167&top=132 ]

Court Scheduling/Documents
Aug 25, 2006 Order RE Pretrial Publicity
Aug 25, 2006 Motion to Limit Pre-Trial Publicity
Aug 25, 2006 Motion for Discovery
Aug 25, 2006 Motion to Prohibit DNA Testing of Evidence Until After There Has Been An Opportunity For the Defense to Be Heard
Aug 25, 2006 Order RE Motion to Protect the Reliability and Fairness of the Proceedings and Mr. Karr's Fundamental Rights
Aug 25, 2006 Motion to Protect the Reliability and Fairness of the Proceedings and Mr. Karr's Fundamental Rights
Aug 25, 2006 Applicants Reply in Support of Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate August 15, 2006 Order Sealing Arrest Warrant, Affidavit and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr and Request for Expedited Hearing
Aug 25, 2006 Motion to Seal
Aug 25, 2006 Entry of Appearance
Aug 25, 2006 Order Setting Advisement
Aug 25, 2006 Order RE Disclosure of Arrest Warrant Affidavit
Aug 25, 2006 Order RE Briefing Schedule RE Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate August 15, 2006 Arrest Warrant, Affidavit, and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr
Aug 25, 2006 Joinder of American Broadcasting Companies, Inc. in Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate Aug 15, 2006 Order Sealing Arrest Warrant, Affidavit and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr and Request for Expedited Hearing
Aug 25, 2006 Joinder of Cable News Network, LP LLLP in Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate Aug 15, 2006 Order Sealing Arrest Warrant, Affidavit and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr and Request for Expedited Hearing
Aug 24, 2006 People's Response in Opposition to the Application to Unseal Court File and To Vacate Aug 15 2006 Order Sealing Arrest Warrant, Affidavit and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr
Aug 21, 2006 Order Re Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate August 15, 2006 Arrest Warrant, Affidavit, and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr and Request for Expedited Hearing
Aug 21, 2006 Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate August 15, 2006 Order Sealing Arrest Warrant, Affidavit and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr and Request for Expedited Hearing
Aug 21, 2006 Decorum Order
Aug 21, 2006 Order Re Expanded Media Coverage
Aug 15, 2006 Order to Seal Arrest Warrant and Affidavit signed by Judge Bailin
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5 posted on 08/28/2006 9:06:41 AM PDT by Rte66
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[Media Links:]

Boulder Daily Camera
http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/
Today's Karr Articles:
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4950255,00.html
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4950249,00.html
Special JonBenet AP Section
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/fronts/JONBENET?SITE=COBOU&SECTION=HOME

Denver Post - JonBenet Ramsey Section
http://www.denverpost.com/jonbenet

Rocky Mtn News - News Home
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news/
Latest Karr Article:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4950373,00.html
Ramsey Archives
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4799519,00.html
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_907317,00.html

thedenverchannel - ABC 7 News - JonBenet Coverage
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/9718812/detail.html

Google News = JonBenet - Newest first
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=jonbenet&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d
Google News = JonBenet - Compilation
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=jonbenet

Yahoo News = JonBenet - Newest First
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news/?ei=UTF-8&p=jonbenet&datesort=1&fr=slv1-
Photos
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=jonbenet&datesort=1&fr=slv1-&c=news_photos
Audio/Video
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=jonbenet&datesort=1&fr=slv1-&c=av

FOX News - JonBenet coverage
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210638,00.html?sPage=fnc.national/crime
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,1117,00.html
Transcripts:
O'Reilly
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210607,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209258,00.html
Greta Van Susteren - On the Record - Greta Investigates
http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html
FOX Search = john mark karr
http://kevxml2a.infospace.com/_1_HJET6R04BDSHZL__info.foxnws/search/inc/fox_more.htm?fastSearch=1&qcat=sitesearch&qkw=John%20Mark%20Karr&nextPageNum=1&ran=15784
http://kevxml2a.infospace.com/_1_HJET6R04BDSHZL__info.foxnws/search/inc/fox_more.htm?fastSearch=1&qcat=sitesearch&qkw=John%20Mark%20Karr&nextPageNum=1&ran=15784
http://search.foxnews.com/_1_H2PTN2049768ZW__info.foxnws/search/inc/fox_more.htm?&qkw=John%20Mark%20Karr&qcat=web&qi=10&qk=10&top=&nextid=&fastSearch=1&ver=11804
http://search.foxnews.com/_1_ENZTCU0491NW8O__info.foxnws/search/inc/fox_more.htm?&qkw=John%20Mark%20Karr&qcat=web&qi=20&qk=10&top=&nextid=&fastSearch=1&ver=16775

CNN - JonBenet Coverage
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2006/ramsey.case/?ref=google
http://search.cnn.com/pages/search.jsp?query=jonbenet
Transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/

MSNBC - JonBenet Coverage
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14379566/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14535611/site/newsweek/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14415318/site/newsweek/
Transcripts:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/
Rita Cosby:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13417364/#060825a

ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=2355252&page=1&gma=true
http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2342091&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=2355447

Court TV - JonBenet Coverage
http://www.courttv.com/news/ramsey/index.html
http://www.courttv.com/news/ramsey/082506_ap.html
http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/0817/jonbenet_suspect_ctv.html
Catherine Crier
http://www.courttv.com/chat/transcripts/2006/0817ramsey-crier.html

Other:
[Petaluma, CA - News]
http://www1.arguscourier.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage
http://www1.arguscourier.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060823/NEWS01/60822018
[Santa Rosa Press-Democrat - near Petaluma - registration required to read stories]
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060827/NEWS/608270304/1033/NEWS01
[Birmingham News]
http://www.al.com
[Montgomery, AL News]
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com
[National Enquirer - Karr Mullet Video]
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/jonbenet/
[People Mag]
http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1228895_1333841,00.html
http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1333492,00.html


6 posted on 08/28/2006 9:07:50 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

I don't think this is the guy.


7 posted on 08/28/2006 9:08:11 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Rte66

Just posted an interesting quote on torture on other thread will repost here.

RE: stun gun vs cattle prod.




'This is the worst thing - an electric cattle prod. They use this on your body. If they press that button, your whole body will be in shock. If they do it for too long, you lose consciousness but you do not die. If they press this button, you can die.


8 posted on 08/28/2006 9:12:20 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama

ditto on re-post

I wonder if anyone has done a comparison with ALL models of stun gun and cattle prod available at that time? Did Smit? I know he looked at one model but I don't know how many he compared...


9 posted on 08/28/2006 9:13:46 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: Rte66

Appreciate all your work on this! So much info on these threads, it makes it lots easier to follow this case.


10 posted on 08/28/2006 9:14:18 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: hoosiermama

Your link didn't show up. Here it is again:

www.newint.org/issue327/trading.htm


11 posted on 08/28/2006 9:14:25 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: All

Would someone be willing to summarize what we know so far about JMK's possible involvement in this crime? Maybe we could list out what we know so far? We could update as new information comes in. I started a list on the old thread. Here it is again:

1.) JMK has no alibi
2.) JMK confessed
3.) JMK 'fits the profile'
4.) the DA *must* have more on him

anything else?


12 posted on 08/28/2006 9:17:03 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: colorado tanker

Why not?


13 posted on 08/28/2006 9:17:42 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

Cattle prods have been around for ever. Some of the antique ones are very primitive and crafted by the individual farmer for their own use.

Remember in past years how one kid at our school showed several others how to make a simple ones....It became quite the rage for a while.

There's weren't very painful, used small voltage, but someone into electronic gadgets could easily come up with something more powerful.


14 posted on 08/28/2006 9:18:26 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: ableLight

We don't know for sure if he has an alibi or not - just so far none has been proven.

More important, I don't think he has confessed to the crime. I believe he said he was with JBR when she died and that it was an accident...not the same thing, IMO.


15 posted on 08/28/2006 9:18:45 AM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: ableLight

try this:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.newint.org/issue327/Images/monk.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.newint.org/issue327/trading.htm&h=268&w=250&sz=10&hl=en&start=15&tbnid=5HJdcnkQUKCTsM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522cattle%2Bprod%2522%26sv


16 posted on 08/28/2006 9:20:04 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama

In that case they would have to look at wounds more generally to see if they are consistent with electric shock. Anybody know anything about that?

Since JMK lived in AL I could see the scenario you're suggesting. There are probably a lot of cattle folk there that he could have learned this from.


17 posted on 08/28/2006 9:21:04 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: colorado tanker

I do.


18 posted on 08/28/2006 9:21:44 AM PDT by Halls (Proud to be called a Daughter of Texas!)
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To: Kylie_04

Okay, how about this revision:

Would someone be willing to summarize what we know so far about JMK's possible involvement in this crime? Maybe we could list out what we know so far? We could update as new information comes in. I started a list on the old thread. Here it is again:

1.) We can't determine alibi for JMK
2.) JMK confessed to culpable knowledge of the crime
3.) JMK 'fits the profile'
4.) the DA *must* have more on him

anything else?


19 posted on 08/28/2006 9:23:21 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight
His first wife said she had little red blood blisters in "private areas". Did he sodomize her with one?

Any farmer's wives out there, that have access to cattle prods and know what kind of wound they make?
20 posted on 08/28/2006 9:24:28 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: ableLight
There's no evidence Karr was in Boulder until four years after the murder and plenty of evidence he wasn't there in December 1996. His ex-wife, who hates him for what he did to the family with his child porn and fascination with little girls, says he was with her. Plus, there's no explanation so far how he could have known the Ramseys when he lived in Alabama and they lived in Georgia and Colorado.

What we do know is that he's a nut who developed a fascination for the Polly Klass and JonBenet cases, going so far as to move to where the Klass murder happened. He seems to have some weird fantasy thing going about being involved in those crimes, but there's no evidence he was.

As with most high-profile crimes, lots of crazies have "confessed" to this crime, but the DA ain't splainin' why they are taking this one seriously. But then, it's Boulder.

21 posted on 08/28/2006 9:28:53 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Rte66
Thanks for putting this together - great job!

bttt for later reference

22 posted on 08/28/2006 9:29:23 AM PDT by zgirl
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To: hoosiermama

ouchh!

Could any husbands out there know the answer to that as well? :-)

Clearly JMK was doing *something* to this poor girl. This could come out in his trial, that is, examinations of evidence to see what kinds of wounds these may have been.


23 posted on 08/28/2006 9:37:21 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: colorado tanker

"As with most high-profile crimes, lots of crazies have "confessed" to this crime,"

I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night but I agree with you. The DA may be able to trade her sheepskin for a cup of coffee after this is over.


24 posted on 08/28/2006 9:43:26 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: ableLight

The marks on her are not burns, they are small abrasions.

When the photos are magnified, her abrasions are the opposite of the stun gun marks Smit demo'ed on a pig's skin - one has a dark center and lighter tissue radiating outward, the other has a light center and darker tissue radiating outward.


25 posted on 08/28/2006 9:45:40 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Inge_CAV

If you were wise, you would hold your insults until...but that's too big an if, I'm afraid.


26 posted on 08/28/2006 9:45:54 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: colorado tanker

Sure she'll explain...just not on your unreal timetable.


27 posted on 08/28/2006 9:47:52 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: colorado tanker

I'm inclined to agree with you. So far, it looks really thin. I feel like the hold-out juror in the movie "12 angry men". There are posters here who believe that a perp, call him X, is guilty of this crime. All they know about X is that his last name is not Ramsey. I'm saying, whoa!, we don't *know* that for sure. But they seem to be certain of it. They're musing that X might be JMK. The funny thing about it is, they could be right I'm just not ready to make that leap yet. So, yes, I agree with you but I don't think JMK, or any other hypothetical intruder, is excluded either.


28 posted on 08/28/2006 9:51:25 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: Rte66

Interesting. So, this argues against electric shock? Just checking to make sure I'm following you...


29 posted on 08/28/2006 9:52:20 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: hoosiermama

I am a long time farmer and familar with cattle prods. Have never seen one leave a mark on cattle or seen one applied to a person.

This guy considered himself a musician/teacher whatever. My opinion is that he would not associate with hayseeds/bumkins that would own a cattle prod.

My uneducated guess would be some kind of condom (French Tickler?) could cause injuries as you describe.


30 posted on 08/28/2006 9:53:17 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: hoosiermama

The point of Smit thinking a stun gun was used was because there were two scratches on her leg that were evenly spaced apart like stun gun electrodes are - but these were scratches and could've been from something else that was sharp.

There are two more on the side of her face that don't look like those - one is very much larger and looks like a cigarette burn - but it is also an abrasion.


31 posted on 08/28/2006 9:54:55 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: ableLight

bookmark


32 posted on 08/28/2006 9:55:24 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: ableLight

Yes


33 posted on 08/28/2006 9:55:57 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: txrangerette

Not wise and that was not an insult to the DA. I was thinking of the history of this case.


34 posted on 08/28/2006 9:56:41 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Inge_CAV

If not an insult to the DA, before she has a chance to present anything, I would hate to see what an insult to her would sound like.


35 posted on 08/28/2006 9:59:18 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: zgirl

YW - do you want to be on the Ping List?


36 posted on 08/28/2006 9:59:40 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: ableLight
That pretty much sums it up.

It's interesting to look at the connections. All this comes about because of Michael Tracey, a leftie journalism prof at CU. He has been pro-Ramsey and pro-intruder from the beginning. He's produced documentaries (some ridicule as "crockumentaries") trying to finger other suspects, which are riddled with incorrect facts and those he fingered have been shown to be innocent.

Karr happened to run into a friend of Tracey when he was "researching" the JonBenet case. Tracey struck up an e-mail correspondence with Karr that went on for years. The genesis of the DA's looking at Karr for this crime was those e-mails.

Here's the catch. Tracey had been corresponding with Karr for about two years when he produced another documentary accusing someone else of this crime. Only after his latest theory went paws up did he start grooming Karr for the perp role.

Maybe the DA has an ace in the hole, like a DNA match we don't know about. But I'd be very surprised.

37 posted on 08/28/2006 9:59:57 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: MizSterious

YW - it does, doesn't it?

I meant to put in the top post that he is to appear today at 4:30 PM (MDT) in Boulder dist. court. It is the advisement and he may or may not be formally charged at that time. If he's not, he'll just be in and out.


38 posted on 08/28/2006 10:04:30 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: ableLight
It's possible there are a series of improbable facts that make Karr the guy, but the DA would have to be sitting on something pretty dramatic no one has yet heard about.

One local commentator is guessing it might be DNA from a snail mail envelope sent by Karr to Tracey. But that's speculation.

If I had to put a DelFrisco's steak dinner and $200 bottle of wine on this, I'd have to say this isn't the guy.

39 posted on 08/28/2006 10:04:34 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

You've pointed out several of my concerns about the JMK case and why I suspect the *possibility* that the DA has been had. There are just too many things about this guy that suggest fraud, for lack of a better word. OTOH, he could be our huckleberry but I'd like to see what else the DA has on him.


40 posted on 08/28/2006 10:05:00 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: colorado tanker

agreed


41 posted on 08/28/2006 10:05:53 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

Yep.


42 posted on 08/28/2006 10:09:20 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

The commentator probably was reading the FR tread cause I suggested that two or three days before he aired his speculation. Little slow there.

We don't sleep in Holiday Inn, We don't sleep on FR! ;^)

Now if they'd just look into my second theory re: his "car dealership"! OTOH that would take a bit of work on their part.


43 posted on 08/28/2006 10:18:35 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: ableLight
I think we are on the same page. I have been on juries where everyone was ready to convict and go home on little more than gut feeling. Sorry folks, I don't work that way. Heaven forbid I ever sit before a jury of my peers, I pray they won't convict me based on gut feeling.

What I find interesting is that the simple fact that we aren't convinced either way makes us the enemy to anyone that thinks the perp was not a Ramsey.

44 posted on 08/28/2006 10:20:50 AM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: hoosiermama
The commentator is Craig Silverman and I first heard the envelope speculation from him last week, although I can't remember which day. It was before Friday when I first heard him pitch it. He adds it is shear speculation on his part based on his disbelief that any competent DA would arrest Karr based on nothing more than his Bangkok "confession" and the Tracey e-mails.

But then, this is Boulder. Most people don't understand how truly weird the place is.

45 posted on 08/28/2006 10:22:25 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Rte66
I will post this over here...

Blood blisters are a type of blister that is filled with blood rather than the fluid commonly associated with blisters. Blood blisters are caused by a rupture of the blood vessels underneath the skin’s surface. This rupture is usually caused by some form of trauma, such as pinching.

Like all forms of blisters, blood blisters form on the upper layer of the skin. They are the body’s natural response to pressure or injury. What differentiates blood blisters from other blisters is the fact that the trauma caused the blood vessels to rupture.

(in my opinion "hickey's" are considered a mild form of blood blisters, they draw the blood up to the surface of the skin. Dry Friction and pinching of the skin can cause blood blisters in private part areas. Also human bites and pinch bites that do not break the skin will cause blood blisters and sometimes bruising.)
46 posted on 08/28/2006 10:23:05 AM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: hoosiermama
I happen to think your car moving theory is as valid as any I have seen. If the authorities are worth their salt, they are looking into every possible way to place JMK in Boulder on 12 25 1996, including that one.

If you are correct, we'll have these posts to prove you were way ahead of the curve! :)

47 posted on 08/28/2006 10:23:43 AM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: Rte66

I heard on Fox & Friends this morning a commentator mention the 'letters from the 13 year old wife' and that they haven't been authenticated as of yet. I knew that they mentioned them (the letters) in an interview with her and her parents, but were they able to produce them? I am speaking of the letters to his first wife where he signed them "SBTC". The commentator said he was convinced this guy DIDN'T do it until those letters came into play. Now he's leaning more toward him being guilty.

I'm still out on whether he did or didn't.


48 posted on 08/28/2006 10:25:05 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: ableLight
I just keep adding things up. It would be nice to have insiders information but sometimes better to be independent. Between the ransom note and the yearbook and what Karr has said, I'd say they have the right guy.

Funny, you really need the yearbook to put some teeth in it. It just tell so much about a person who hasn't changed in twenty years. I'd say bro and dad are lying through their teeth.

In Thailand, Karr described the murder as a "blur". He uses "blurred" in his yearbook. It is a reference to "crying" and "bad things happening".

He also said that: telling about the "accident" (crime) would take hours. It was complicated. The note said that the pickup and delivery would be complicated, too.

Well, the pick up and delivery wasn't complicated. There was none.

And it wasn't an accident. It was a brief encounter with a tiny helpless girl. What kind of Victory could that be??

49 posted on 08/28/2006 10:25:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Kylie_04

Yes, I'm in your garden and digging your herb :-)

Seriously, I think that people have pre-conceived notions about the innocence of the Ramseys and it's clouding their faculties. You can ask hard questions about the Ramseys involvement w/o accusing them. Some posters have even outright stated that crime scene evidence has no bearing at all on JMK's involvement. I'll let the reader be the judge on that, but I find that hard to understand. Yes, this forum is about JMK's possible involvement, but we can't understand that w/o looking at the evidence of the crime itself!

But I CAN understand that people don't WANT to believe that immediate family could do something like this. I find some of the gory details hard to WRITE about and I didn't even KNOW the child. Imagine! The same phenomenon of disbelief occured with Lizzie Borden a long, long time ago.


50 posted on 08/28/2006 10:27:52 AM PDT by ableLight
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