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JonBenet Ramsey Murder Suspect Karr - Case Thread 2
FRee Republic ^ | 8/28/06 | FReepers, et alii

Posted on 08/28/2006 9:01:50 AM PDT by Rte66

This is a reference thread with links to previous FR threads discussing the arrest of a suspect, John Mark Karr, in the decade-old cold case concerning the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, plus case resources for continued commentary on investigation of the crime.


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1 posted on 08/28/2006 9:01:51 AM PDT by Rte66
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2 posted on 08/28/2006 9:02:37 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts + Arbua is a cesspool)
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To: onyx; stlnative; MizSterious; null and void; gridlock; hershey; hoosiermama; PilloryHillary; ...

JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case Suspect
FR Thread Roundup 1
Free Republic ^ | August 16-27, 2006

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=2#2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=460#460
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=648#648
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=1020#1020
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=1652#1652
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=1939#1939
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1686829/posts?page=2365#2365


3 posted on 08/28/2006 9:04:17 AM PDT by Rte66
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[About the Judge]
http://www.courts.state.co.us/district/20th/judges/20distrbailin.htm

[About the Court]
http://www.courts.state.co.us/district/20th/20dist.htm
[Court News releases]
http://www.courts.state.co.us/main.cfm?webdiv=1166&top=132
[Court Scheduling]
http://www.courts.state.co.us/main.cfm?webdiv=1167&top=132
[Reference to Gag Order - pdf]
http://www.courts.state.co.us/docs/Karr-Publicity.pdf

[About the Boulder Co. Sheriff]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/sheriff/
[About the Boulder Co. Jail]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/sheriff/jail/jail.htm
[Karr Info - Sheriff]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/sheriff/johnkarr.htm
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/sheriff/pdf/custody.pdf

[About the DA - Mary Keenan Lacy]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/portrait.htm
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/

[JonBenet Ramsey Case Info - DA's Office]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/da/pr/
[Info on Court Appearance 8/28/06]
http://www.co.boulder.co.us/newsroom/templates/?a=564&z=13
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4 posted on 08/28/2006 9:05:46 AM PDT by Rte66
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[Links to Docs: http://www.courts.state.co.us/main.cfm?webdiv=1167&top=132 ]

Court Scheduling/Documents
Aug 25, 2006 Order RE Pretrial Publicity
Aug 25, 2006 Motion to Limit Pre-Trial Publicity
Aug 25, 2006 Motion for Discovery
Aug 25, 2006 Motion to Prohibit DNA Testing of Evidence Until After There Has Been An Opportunity For the Defense to Be Heard
Aug 25, 2006 Order RE Motion to Protect the Reliability and Fairness of the Proceedings and Mr. Karr's Fundamental Rights
Aug 25, 2006 Motion to Protect the Reliability and Fairness of the Proceedings and Mr. Karr's Fundamental Rights
Aug 25, 2006 Applicants Reply in Support of Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate August 15, 2006 Order Sealing Arrest Warrant, Affidavit and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr and Request for Expedited Hearing
Aug 25, 2006 Motion to Seal
Aug 25, 2006 Entry of Appearance
Aug 25, 2006 Order Setting Advisement
Aug 25, 2006 Order RE Disclosure of Arrest Warrant Affidavit
Aug 25, 2006 Order RE Briefing Schedule RE Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate August 15, 2006 Arrest Warrant, Affidavit, and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr
Aug 25, 2006 Joinder of American Broadcasting Companies, Inc. in Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate Aug 15, 2006 Order Sealing Arrest Warrant, Affidavit and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr and Request for Expedited Hearing
Aug 25, 2006 Joinder of Cable News Network, LP LLLP in Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate Aug 15, 2006 Order Sealing Arrest Warrant, Affidavit and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr and Request for Expedited Hearing
Aug 24, 2006 People's Response in Opposition to the Application to Unseal Court File and To Vacate Aug 15 2006 Order Sealing Arrest Warrant, Affidavit and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr
Aug 21, 2006 Order Re Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate August 15, 2006 Arrest Warrant, Affidavit, and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr and Request for Expedited Hearing
Aug 21, 2006 Application to Unseal Court File and to Vacate August 15, 2006 Order Sealing Arrest Warrant, Affidavit and Other Information Relating to the Arrest of John Mark Karr and Request for Expedited Hearing
Aug 21, 2006 Decorum Order
Aug 21, 2006 Order Re Expanded Media Coverage
Aug 15, 2006 Order to Seal Arrest Warrant and Affidavit signed by Judge Bailin
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5 posted on 08/28/2006 9:06:41 AM PDT by Rte66
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[Media Links:]

Boulder Daily Camera
http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/
Today's Karr Articles:
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4950255,00.html
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4950249,00.html
Special JonBenet AP Section
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/fronts/JONBENET?SITE=COBOU&SECTION=HOME

Denver Post - JonBenet Ramsey Section
http://www.denverpost.com/jonbenet

Rocky Mtn News - News Home
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news/
Latest Karr Article:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4950373,00.html
Ramsey Archives
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4799519,00.html
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_907317,00.html

thedenverchannel - ABC 7 News - JonBenet Coverage
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/9718812/detail.html

Google News = JonBenet - Newest first
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=jonbenet&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d
Google News = JonBenet - Compilation
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=jonbenet

Yahoo News = JonBenet - Newest First
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news/?ei=UTF-8&p=jonbenet&datesort=1&fr=slv1-
Photos
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=jonbenet&datesort=1&fr=slv1-&c=news_photos
Audio/Video
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=jonbenet&datesort=1&fr=slv1-&c=av

FOX News - JonBenet coverage
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210638,00.html?sPage=fnc.national/crime
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,1117,00.html
Transcripts:
O'Reilly
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210607,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209258,00.html
Greta Van Susteren - On the Record - Greta Investigates
http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html
FOX Search = john mark karr
http://kevxml2a.infospace.com/_1_HJET6R04BDSHZL__info.foxnws/search/inc/fox_more.htm?fastSearch=1&qcat=sitesearch&qkw=John%20Mark%20Karr&nextPageNum=1&ran=15784
http://kevxml2a.infospace.com/_1_HJET6R04BDSHZL__info.foxnws/search/inc/fox_more.htm?fastSearch=1&qcat=sitesearch&qkw=John%20Mark%20Karr&nextPageNum=1&ran=15784
http://search.foxnews.com/_1_H2PTN2049768ZW__info.foxnws/search/inc/fox_more.htm?&qkw=John%20Mark%20Karr&qcat=web&qi=10&qk=10&top=&nextid=&fastSearch=1&ver=11804
http://search.foxnews.com/_1_ENZTCU0491NW8O__info.foxnws/search/inc/fox_more.htm?&qkw=John%20Mark%20Karr&qcat=web&qi=20&qk=10&top=&nextid=&fastSearch=1&ver=16775

CNN - JonBenet Coverage
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2006/ramsey.case/?ref=google
http://search.cnn.com/pages/search.jsp?query=jonbenet
Transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/

MSNBC - JonBenet Coverage
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14379566/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14535611/site/newsweek/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14415318/site/newsweek/
Transcripts:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/
Rita Cosby:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13417364/#060825a

ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=2355252&page=1&gma=true
http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2342091&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=2355447

Court TV - JonBenet Coverage
http://www.courttv.com/news/ramsey/index.html
http://www.courttv.com/news/ramsey/082506_ap.html
http://www.courttv.com/news/2006/0817/jonbenet_suspect_ctv.html
Catherine Crier
http://www.courttv.com/chat/transcripts/2006/0817ramsey-crier.html

Other:
[Petaluma, CA - News]
http://www1.arguscourier.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage
http://www1.arguscourier.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060823/NEWS01/60822018
[Santa Rosa Press-Democrat - near Petaluma - registration required to read stories]
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060827/NEWS/608270304/1033/NEWS01
[Birmingham News]
http://www.al.com
[Montgomery, AL News]
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com
[National Enquirer - Karr Mullet Video]
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/jonbenet/
[People Mag]
http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1228895_1333841,00.html
http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1333492,00.html


6 posted on 08/28/2006 9:07:50 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

I don't think this is the guy.


7 posted on 08/28/2006 9:08:11 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Rte66

Just posted an interesting quote on torture on other thread will repost here.

RE: stun gun vs cattle prod.




'This is the worst thing - an electric cattle prod. They use this on your body. If they press that button, your whole body will be in shock. If they do it for too long, you lose consciousness but you do not die. If they press this button, you can die.


8 posted on 08/28/2006 9:12:20 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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ditto on re-post

I wonder if anyone has done a comparison with ALL models of stun gun and cattle prod available at that time? Did Smit? I know he looked at one model but I don't know how many he compared...


9 posted on 08/28/2006 9:13:46 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: Rte66

Appreciate all your work on this! So much info on these threads, it makes it lots easier to follow this case.


10 posted on 08/28/2006 9:14:18 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: hoosiermama

Your link didn't show up. Here it is again:

www.newint.org/issue327/trading.htm


11 posted on 08/28/2006 9:14:25 AM PDT by ableLight
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Would someone be willing to summarize what we know so far about JMK's possible involvement in this crime? Maybe we could list out what we know so far? We could update as new information comes in. I started a list on the old thread. Here it is again:

1.) JMK has no alibi
2.) JMK confessed
3.) JMK 'fits the profile'
4.) the DA *must* have more on him

anything else?


12 posted on 08/28/2006 9:17:03 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: colorado tanker

Why not?


13 posted on 08/28/2006 9:17:42 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

Cattle prods have been around for ever. Some of the antique ones are very primitive and crafted by the individual farmer for their own use.

Remember in past years how one kid at our school showed several others how to make a simple ones....It became quite the rage for a while.

There's weren't very painful, used small voltage, but someone into electronic gadgets could easily come up with something more powerful.


14 posted on 08/28/2006 9:18:26 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: ableLight

We don't know for sure if he has an alibi or not - just so far none has been proven.

More important, I don't think he has confessed to the crime. I believe he said he was with JBR when she died and that it was an accident...not the same thing, IMO.


15 posted on 08/28/2006 9:18:45 AM PDT by Kylie_04 (not consuming liquids while posting since 2006)
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To: ableLight

try this:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.newint.org/issue327/Images/monk.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.newint.org/issue327/trading.htm&h=268&w=250&sz=10&hl=en&start=15&tbnid=5HJdcnkQUKCTsM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522cattle%2Bprod%2522%26sv


16 posted on 08/28/2006 9:20:04 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama

In that case they would have to look at wounds more generally to see if they are consistent with electric shock. Anybody know anything about that?

Since JMK lived in AL I could see the scenario you're suggesting. There are probably a lot of cattle folk there that he could have learned this from.


17 posted on 08/28/2006 9:21:04 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: colorado tanker

I do.


18 posted on 08/28/2006 9:21:44 AM PDT by Halls (Proud to be called a Daughter of Texas!)
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To: Kylie_04

Okay, how about this revision:

Would someone be willing to summarize what we know so far about JMK's possible involvement in this crime? Maybe we could list out what we know so far? We could update as new information comes in. I started a list on the old thread. Here it is again:

1.) We can't determine alibi for JMK
2.) JMK confessed to culpable knowledge of the crime
3.) JMK 'fits the profile'
4.) the DA *must* have more on him

anything else?


19 posted on 08/28/2006 9:23:21 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight
His first wife said she had little red blood blisters in "private areas". Did he sodomize her with one?

Any farmer's wives out there, that have access to cattle prods and know what kind of wound they make?
20 posted on 08/28/2006 9:24:28 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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