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Motorcycle airbags part of safety trend
AP/Yahoo ^ | 9/14/06 | James Hannah

Posted on 09/14/2006 12:45:28 PM PDT by martin_fierro

Motorcycle airbags part of safety trend

By JAMES HANNAH, Associated Press Writer Thu Sep 14, 12:24 PM ET

MARYSVILLE, Ohio - Jeaneen Parsons' husband steered their motorcycle to the ground seven years ago to avoid hitting a passenger whose cycle went down on a twisting mountain road in Kentucky.

The couple emerged from the accident with a few road burns and frazzled nerves. The passenger's leg was shattered.

Marifran Mattson lost part of her left leg when the motorcycle she was on was struck by a semitrailer in 2004 near Crawfordsville, Ind.

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was seriously injured June 12 when a car turned into the path of his motorcycle June 12. Roethlisberger, who wasn't wearing a helmet, suffered a concussion, broken nose and jaw and damaged teeth.

As cyclist injuries and deaths increase, motorcycle makers are installing more safety features — making greater use of antilock brakes and adding air bags while stressing safe-rider education and use of helmets.

Some people wonder how effective air bags will be, how much of a market exists, and how much they would save cycle owners on insurance.

Honda Motor Co. added air bags in June to its fully loaded Gold Wing, an 860-pound touring bike designed for distance driving in comfort and made near this central Ohio city.

Yamaha Motor Corp., with U.S. headquarters in Cypress, Calif., is developing an air bag system and is using a scooter with air bags for research in Japan, according to the company's Web site.

"The motorcycle manufacturers are engaging in a lot of R&D in the area of — some would call it safety, some would call it risk management," said Tom Lindsay, spokesman for the Pickerington, Ohio-based American Motorcyclist Association. "It's part of a trend."

The motorcycle industry posted $7.6 billion in sales of 725,000 on-highway bikes in 2004, up from about $4.7 billion and 471,000 bikes sold four years earlier.

Motorcycles accounted for 2 percent of all registered vehicles in 2004 but made up 9.4 percent of all highway deaths, nearly double the 5 percent in 1997, according to government statistics.

Honda's air bag system consists of crash sensors attached to the front fork of the motorcycle. The sensors detect rapid deceleration and send the information to a small on-board computer, which determines whether a crash is occurring.

The computer sends a signal to an inflator, which releases nitrogen gas to deploy the air bag, packed into a dashboard-like module in front of the driver. The process takes a fraction of a second.

The system is designed to keep the driver's body from hitting whatever the motorcycle hit and reduce the chances of the driver being thrown over the handlebars. It is not designed to protect from side or rear impacts or to protect passengers.

Honda began working on its air bag system in 1990 after determining that more than half of the motorcycle accidents that result in deaths or injuries occur when the front of the motorcycle strikes another vehicle or object.

Honda won't say how many air bag-equipped Gold Wings it plans to produce by the time the 2006 model year ends in late September, other than it will be a limited number. Last year, the 600 workers at the plant produced 60,524 motorcycles, including Gold Wings.

Parsons, 45, of Dayton, favors the idea of air bags and doesn't shrink at the added cost — about $1,500 on a $24,000 Gold Wing.

Mattson, associate professor of communications at Purdue University, where she is spearheading a motorcycle-safety campaign, also applauds Honda but said the air bags wouldn't help in many crashes, including the one she was in. And she worries that the air bags might cause riders to dispense with wearing helmets.

"I'm concerned this might send a false sense of security," she said.

Honda officials acknowledge that some people are going to question whether motorcycle air bags will be effective.

"But we've seen so many test videos — you become a believer," said Jan Gansheimer, senior manager of Honda's manufacturing/planning group.

Honda's air bag system has been tested with crash-test dummies and in one case with a human to see what would happen if an air bag deployed accidentally. Honda officials said the air bag didn't knock the driver backward or injure him, affect his field of vision or impact his travel down the highway.

Bob Hartwig, chief economist for the New York City-based Insurance Information Institute, said the insurance benefits of having motorcycle air bags probably would be small because the devices protect only the driver and only in frontal crashes. Air bags in cars protect drivers and passengers in front and side crashes.

Hartwig also said motorcyclists who buy air bag-equipped bikes are probably safer drivers and less likely to be involved in crashes.

Safety has also gone beyond air bags and helmets. Worldwide Riders, a Cheyenne, Wyo.-based motorcycle accessories company, sells vests with protective bladders that inflate as riders are being ejected from their motorcycles.

Harley-Davidson Motor Co., based in Milwaukee, emphasizes training and driver education. The company began opening motorcyling academies in 2000 to train new and experienced riders. About 90,000 riders have taken courses at the schools, which operate in more than 30 states.

Jake Balzer, an analyst with Guzman & Company, an investment banking firm, said there may be somewhat of a market for air bag-equipped motorcycles, but questioned whether Honda will sell that many unless states require motorcycles to have the devices.

"A lot of people riding motorcycles don't even want to wear helmets," he said. "I don't see them going out and spending the extra money to put air bags on their motorcycles."

Tim Buche, president of the Motorcycle Industry Council, said many motorcyclists love new features and will be attracted to air bags.

But he said the market will determine whether the idea will spread.

"If air bags are going to be successful, they are going to be available on other motorcycles," he said. "It remains to be seen."


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Honda associates Ladd Gabriel, left, and Mike Stierhoff clean up the airbag in a Honda Goldwing motorcycle after it was deployed during a demonstration Friday, July 28, 2006, in Marysville, Ohio. As cyclist injuries and deaths increase, motorcycle makers are installing more safety features, making greater use of antilock brakes and adding air bags. But some people wonder how effective air bags will be, how much of a market exists, and how much they would save cycle owners on insurance. (AP Photo/Jay LaPrete)

1 posted on 09/14/2006 12:45:31 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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2 posted on 09/14/2006 12:46:22 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

I see no mention of seat belts here.Without seat belts I don't understand the physics of airbags on a bike.


3 posted on 09/14/2006 12:57:59 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: Gay State Conservative
I see no mention of seat belts here.Without seat belts I don't understand the physics of airbags on a bike.

The trick is to keep the rider from sailing over the handlebars when the bike hits the %$@#$^$# car that turns in front of them without looking. THink of it as a way to keep the motorcyclist off the drip rail of the car. Go watch Honda's videos and you'll see what they want to do.

4 posted on 09/14/2006 1:03:21 PM PDT by pikachu (Be alert --we need more lerts!)
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To: martin_fierro
If you really are worried about your safety on a motorcycle, the best thing to do is not get on one in the first place.

Everything else is just wishful thinking.

5 posted on 09/14/2006 1:15:26 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: martin_fierro

Actually front mounted rockets would be great. They'd deflect any cager turning in front of thou.


6 posted on 09/14/2006 1:28:49 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: martin_fierro

If the majority of the problem was bikers hitting stuff, I'd think this is a great idea, but from my experience, it's most often bikers getting hit by granny from the side.


7 posted on 09/14/2006 1:31:32 PM PDT by Toby06 (Hydrogen is not a fuel source! Hydrogen is an energy storage method, like a battery.)
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To: Bob Mc
Hi Bob-

How long have you been a motorcyclist? What kind of bike do you ride?

~ Blue Jays ~

8 posted on 09/14/2006 2:02:31 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Bob Mc

LOL! Good one Bob!


9 posted on 09/14/2006 2:03:53 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All-

If I was to purchase a fully-loaded Honda Gold Wing touring bike, I would definitely select this option at the dealership since weight and complexity really isn't a factor on that type of bike. I wouldn't be inclined to request airbags with their requisite computer hardware on a 375-lb sportbike.

~ Blue Jays ~

10 posted on 09/14/2006 2:05:08 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays

don't feed the trolls.


11 posted on 09/14/2006 2:07:20 PM PDT by postaldave (al gore for president!!!! please run again, i'm begging you.)
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To: Blue Jays

Right now I have a 2005 BMW K1200LT for travel, and a 2003 Suzuki SV1000S for fun. Have been riding for 40 years.


12 posted on 09/14/2006 2:08:33 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: pikachu
The trick is to keep the rider from sailing over the handlebars when the bike hits the %$@#$^$# car that turns in front of them without looking.

The last time I T-boned a truck on a motorcycle, I avoided injury by standing on the pegs immediately before impact and being thrown *over* the vehicle.

Seemed intuitively obvious at the time.

13 posted on 09/14/2006 2:11:40 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Bob Mc
Hi Bob-

If it were available purely as an option you wouldn't be interested in an airbag on your BMW K1200LT to prevent upper-body injuries? I see it as a choice issue.

~ Blue Jays ~

14 posted on 09/14/2006 2:14:02 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: postaldave
Hi postal-

And speaking of someone who owns sweet examples of cool BMW motorcycles!

~ Blue Jays ~

15 posted on 09/14/2006 2:16:50 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: AdamSelene235
Hi Adam-

Clearing a vehicle that turns in front of a motorcyclist depends heavily upon the shape and height of the offending vehicle. One wouldn't clear a box-shaped delivery van the same way they might clear a low-slung sportscar...

~ Blue Jays ~

16 posted on 09/14/2006 2:20:07 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: postaldave
Obviously, I didn't make my point with you, and you took it in some other context than I intended.

My intention is not to be a troll, to disrupt or be rude.

My point is, many people go on and on at length about what safety gear is right, is enough, etc, endless debates on whether one should do this or that when on a motorcycle.

There are no simple answers. Motorcycles are inherently dangerous, and it is compounded with the problem that many auto drivers don't see bikes.

Respect of that fact can do more for your safety than anything you wear or install on your motorcycle. Also, there is no substitute for experience, something every new rider is lacking.

17 posted on 09/14/2006 2:20:28 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: Blue Jays
Clearing a vehicle that turns in front of a motorcyclist depends heavily upon the shape and height of the offending vehicle.

That is why I'm very picky about the type of vehicles I T-bone.

18 posted on 09/14/2006 2:24:12 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Blue Jays
Nope, wouldn't have one.

My philosophy is to do all things possible, and learn all I can, to avoid hitting things, rather than invest time and money to minimize damage from hitting things.

Yes, I know it is not always possible to avoid such. But you can only do so much. At some point it a pointless and futile attempt, to avoid being hurt or killed, hence my initial advice:

If you are really worried about your safety on a motorcycle, don't get on one in the first place.

19 posted on 09/14/2006 2:28:12 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: martin_fierro
Here's an idea...

Cagers quit talking on cell phones when driving...I quite sure that it is more dangerous than entering a "smoking" establishment.

20 posted on 09/14/2006 2:30:22 PM PDT by demsux
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To: Bob Mc
Hi Bob-

It's too late for me as I've been blessed to ride motorcycles accident-free for decades...

~ Blue Jays ~

21 posted on 09/14/2006 2:32:32 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: martin_fierro; All
The Wearable Airbag:



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22 posted on 09/14/2006 2:40:50 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: martin_fierro

23 posted on 09/14/2006 2:59:52 PM PDT by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: BraveMan

That's not a bad idea!


24 posted on 09/14/2006 3:17:43 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: cyborg

Luciana Paluzzi in Thunderball knew the score :)

25 posted on 09/14/2006 3:58:33 PM PDT by xp38
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To: martin_fierro

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!!!


26 posted on 09/14/2006 4:16:01 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
Hi blackie-

What don't you like about airbags as an option on full-sized touring rigs?

~ Blue Jays ~

27 posted on 09/14/2006 4:23:30 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: xp38

There ya go!


28 posted on 09/14/2006 5:25:35 PM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: Bob Mc
well that statement has a whole other meaning.

things like kevlar, full suite leathers, proper helmets, rider training are a big deal. it sounded like you were dismissing those things.

i do agree that they are dangerous and people should be aware of that.

personally when people ask my about riding i tell them not to. i don't want to be apart of their decision process.
29 posted on 09/14/2006 6:29:20 PM PDT by postaldave (borrow and spend is no better then tax and spend. republicans need to be controlled or replaced.)
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To: Bob Mc

"I have a 2005 BMW K1200LT"(light truck)

any chance you going to the 20th Annual Hoosier Beemer Rally?


30 posted on 09/14/2006 6:31:55 PM PDT by postaldave (borrow and spend is no better then tax and spend. republicans need to be controlled or replaced.)
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To: Bob Mc

"My philosophy is to do all things possible, and learn all I can, to avoid hitting things, rather than invest time and money to minimize damage from hitting things."

i KNOW you have anti-lock brake on that Kbike(light truck) couldn't you say the same about them. anti-lock brake only work when you lost traction why would this be any different?

personally i wouldn't have either on my sport bike. too much extra poundadge but you old guys on the LTs need all the help you can get. LOL

as for my old beemer with the toaster tank? NO ONE is touching that tank.


31 posted on 09/14/2006 6:37:35 PM PDT by postaldave (borrow and spend is no better then tax and spend. republicans need to be controlled or replaced.)
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To: postaldave
Anti lock brakes (on a "truck" as you say) makes sense. Not so much for avoiding hitting something, but avoiding falling down on slippery surfaces, of which you will encounter when traveling new places.

I can grab all the brakes, hard as I can, on a bad gravel road, and it comes to a perfectly stable clean stop. You just better be ready to put your foot down.

32 posted on 09/14/2006 8:16:31 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: Bob Mc

I would not want anti-lock brakes on my SV either, that whole weight thing as you say. Besides I wouldn't be able to do stoppies.


33 posted on 09/14/2006 8:19:11 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: Blue Jays

I don't like air bags in or on any vehicle.


34 posted on 09/15/2006 11:16:18 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
Hi Blackie-

Why don't you like airbags in a car or truck, for example? Airbags don't do anything and simply sit there quietly unless they're called upon to protect the driver and passengers beyond a certain level of impact.

It makes complete sense to me why one wouldn't want them in a Honda CBR 1000RR for example...but if I'm purchasing a huge touring rig with all the bells and whistles it seems like something that could come in handy when the chips are down.

~ Blue Jays ~

35 posted on 09/15/2006 11:23:30 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays

I got that you like airbags, enjoy yours.

I don't like airbags, because I don't like airbags ~ do you understand?

Make up a reason for the reason I don't like airbags.

Reasons are made up by our fertile minds. >:-}


36 posted on 09/15/2006 11:30:30 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
Hi Blackie-

I've thankfully never experienced airbags up-close-and-personal. That said, I know I would rather have some slight burns across my knuckles from the charge rather than sticking the hard dashboard into my face. I walked away from a bad wreck in 1991 and the airbags didn't need to deploy because I was T-boned from the side when another driver missed a traffic light. Modern vehicles would likely behave differently under the same side impact.

As far as motorcycles are concerned, the weight penalty would be far too great on something like your Suzuki SV650 as well as on my favorite Honda CBR. I'm puzzled as to why you won't provide a basis for your dislike of airbags. What's not to like? They prevent horrible injuries. They sit unnoticed for years until called upon.

~ Blue Jays ~

37 posted on 09/15/2006 11:56:58 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays

Blue Jays ~ why don't you let it go, I don't like 'em and my wife doesn't like 'em.

Enjoy yours.

End of airbag conversation.


38 posted on 09/15/2006 1:51:48 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
Hi blackie-

Your style of writing on this thread can only be described as evasive and doesn't contribute to a free and open exchange of ideas and opinions. It isn't difficult to post a reason or two why one doesn't like airbags and it might make you and your wife's position on that automotive / motorcycle option easier to understand.

What are your feelings on constructing automobiles with internal steel rollcages? This is something that similarly works great with cars but has absolutely no application with motorcycles.

~ Blue Jays ~

39 posted on 09/15/2006 2:06:13 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays

I don't care if anyone doesn't understand or like my positions. That's their problem, not mine.

I don't want a rollcage in any of my vehicles, the street ain't NASCAR. 99% of rollovers are cockpit error.


40 posted on 09/15/2006 3:24:48 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
Hi blackie-

That's just the point...modern cars are built with a hardened-steel rollcage that can support several times the weight of the vehicle. It's not even something the consumer has a choice in buying...it's just a factory feature. Heck, even the ubiquitous and mainstream VW Passat has a rollcage:

Items like airbags, rollcages, and strong seatbelts in cars & trucks make sense all of the time. Some features originally created for the automotive market (e.g. radial tires) make a great transition to motorcycles for improved comfort, speed, safety, and reliability. Your SV650 rides on radial tires and I'm sure you wouldn't trade them for older bias-ply rubber for sake of tradition. Or would you?

~ Blue Jays ~

41 posted on 09/15/2006 4:25:47 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays

42 posted on 09/16/2006 11:55:03 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie

43 posted on 09/16/2006 4:15:45 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays

44 posted on 09/17/2006 10:33:09 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
Hi blackie-

My last *.gif for this thread. Stay safe on that SV650...I'm not even going to ask if you wear a helmet, leathers, boots, and gloves!

~ Blue Jays ~

45 posted on 09/18/2006 3:10:12 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays

Good!


46 posted on 09/18/2006 10:13:47 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: martin_fierro

So long as no idgit congressman proposes seatbelts. If I ever drop my gaurd long enough to lose control of the bike or worse yet get hit, I want to have the option of jumping off and not being strapped to what will become a 400 pound chunk of aluminum alloy and fiberglass/plastic rolling down the highway.

And no, the government shouldn't mandate airbags on motorcycles. Government mandates enough as it is.

For the record, '06 Kawa ZZR-600, BDUs, helmet, and gloves for going to work, onepiece cordura armored suit with helmet gloves, boots, etc for off duty time. No way I'd get on the autobahn without at least that much stuff on. Bugs hurt at 130mph. And no, I am not a squid. :P


47 posted on 09/22/2006 11:42:40 AM PDT by Ecthelion
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