Posted on 09/18/2006 1:23:37 PM PDT by agooga
My, what a godly thing to do.
Clear as mud.
Clear as crystal to anyone who reads Greek.
The Greek Old Testament of John's day uses the exact same phrase - egw eimi.
Jesus did not say: "before Abraham came into being, I came into being" but "before Abraham was, I AM."
His hearers knew exactly what he meant, and picked stones to kill Him for His blasphemy - when the true blasphemy was their disbelief of His words.
You and friends the Muslims can deny all you want that Jesus is Almighty God.
Your cynical dhimmi strategy to save your neck is understandable.
But the fact remains that Jesus of Nazareth is I AM WHO AM.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Was Paul wrong? If so, what else was he wrong about?
Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Jesus makes no distinction between himself and others. Why is that?
Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Is Jesus asking why he forsook himself?
John 14:28
My Father is greater than I.
If Jesus is God, how can something or someone be greater than him?
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Clearly shows two different entities.
Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
Are angels stronger than God? There are two different wills spoken of in the above verses. Explain how that can be, if they are not two different entities.
Start with the Athanasian Creed as a good summary.
I'll take your non answers to mean that you cannot reconcile the two different entities, or explain Paul stating that Jesus was a MAN.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Deuteronomy 6:4 -- Hear, O Israel: YHWH is our God, YHWH is one.
Accept no substitutes!
Have a good day and thanks for the 'chat'. ;)
Paul was correct, of course.
Jesus of Nazareth is truly God and truly man.
Hence my suggestion that you learn about the Hypostatic Union before you declare a conflict that does not exist.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: when He hath said, will He not do it? or when He hath spoken, will He not make it good? (20) Behold, I am bidden to bless; and when He hath blessed, I cannot call it back.
Yes, I figured you were. That's why I answered as I did.
You and your sister are in a car, stalled on a railroad crossing. There's a train coming down the tracks. But, you're wondering if you should be concerned that she hangs out with the wrong crowd.
Jesus of Nazareth is truly God and truly man.
God is not half God and half man.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: when He hath said, will He not do it? or when He hath spoken, will He not make it good?
Jesus of Nazareth is truly God and truly man.
Incidentally, that's not what Paul said!
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Jhn 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Jesus knows that God is not a man!
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: when He hath said, will He not do it? or when He hath spoken, will He not make it good?
That is the entire point - his death and resurrection are a meaningless episode otherwise. The God of Abraham did not need a new miracle to demosntrate His power.
Paul acknowledging Jesus' humanity does not mean a denial of His divinity.
God's statements in Numbers were accurate at the time of Numbers. He chose to reveal more to us in the person of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ - the New Testament was given for a purpose - to reveal elements of God's plan for the world which had not yet been revealed in Numbers.
God is not a half and half. Jesus never explicitly states "I am God", when it would have been so easy to do so. Instead you read into the text something that is not there. He DOES tells us EXPLICITLY, in no uncertain terms though, that he is a MAN! :)
That is the entire point - his death and resurrection are a meaningless episode otherwise. The God of Abraham did not need a new miracle to demosntrate His power.
His death is unfortunate but was not necessary for the salvation of mankind. Even Jesus himself tells us how to have ternal life.
Matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
A twofer!! :)
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