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DA: Alleged Duke Rape Took 5-10 Minutes
AP ^ | September 22, 2006 | AARON BEARD

Posted on 09/22/2006 1:20:40 PM PDT by Howlin

Three Duke lacrosse players took five to 10 minutes to sexually assault a woman hired to perform as a stripper at a team party, and not the 30 minutes she originally described to investigators, a prosecutor said Friday. "When something happens to you that is really awful, it can seem like it takes place longer than it actually takes," District Attorney Mike Nifong said.

Nifong's comments came as Superior Court Judge W. Osmond Smith III denied a defense request that prosecutors provide a detailed accounting of the alleged assault, including the exact time, place and type of sexual act the accuser said each defendant committed.

A grand jury has indicted three lacrosse players _ Reade Seligmann, 20; Collin Finnerty, 19; and David Evans, 23 _ on charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual offense. The accuser, a student at nearby North Carolina Central University, told police she was raped in a bathroom by three men at a March 13 off-campus party. Defense attorneys have strongly proclaimed the players' innocence.

Kirk Osborn, who represents Seligmann, said the defense needed the "bill of particulars" because the accuser has told several different versions of the alleged assault, and his client has a right to know which version prosecutors will present at trial. In search and arrest warrants issued early in the investigation, police stated the accuser told investigators she was assaulted for 30 minutes.

Nifong said he is not required to state the exact time of the alleged attack, but offered that authorities believe it took place between 11:30 p.m. on March 13, when the accuser arrived at the party, and 12:55 a.m. on March 14, when police arrived and found no one at the house.

Friday's hearing was the first since Smith was appointed to take over the case, and it was scheduled to continue Friday afternoon.

Before the hearing began, Nifong gave defense lawyers 615 pages of evidence, a compact disc and a cassette tape. He said it included much of what was requested by defense lawyers, who had asked for handwritten notes from police officers involved with the case, reports outlining procedures used at the labs that tested the DNA of the players and notes from a mental health facility where police took the accuser after the party.

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To: abb

Probation violations trip second dancer

Kim Roberts could spend two months on electronic house arrest.

Benjamin Niolet, Staff Writer
DURHAM - The second dancer hired for a Duke University lacrosse team party in March admitted a handful of probation violations Monday and agreed to spend up to two months on electronic house arrest.

The deal allows Kim Roberts, also known as Kim Pittman, to avoid a six-month jail sentence that was imposed when she was convicted in 2001 of embezzling $25,000 from a Durham photofinishing company. Superior Court Judge Robert Hobgood extended her probation -- which was to expire this year -- until 2009 while Roberts pays off more than $23,000 in restitution that she still owes.

Roberts has emerged as an important witness in the investigation of a reported rape at a Duke University lacrosse team party. Other than members of the team and the accuser, she is the only person who can account for events in the house that night, although Roberts was not inside when authorities say another dancer was raped.

After Roberts gave police a statement, they arrested her on probation violations. Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong, who is prosecuting the rape case, later reduced Roberts' bail payment.

Roberts was charged with five violations, including not keeping up with payments, missing appointments with her probation officer, leaving the state without permission and quitting a job and moving without notifying probation officials, said Terrence Eason, chief probation officer.

Roberts must serve at least 60 days of her electronic house arrest. If she pays back $1,400 of missed restitution payments, she can get off house arrest early.

Hobgood told Roberts and her attorney, Mark Simeon, that she has a "tremendous amount" of restitution to pay off. Simeon said Roberts was looking for a new job that would allow her to pay more money. Simeon said Roberts hasn't danced for an escort service since the March lacrosse party.
Staff writer Benjamin Niolet can be reached at 956-2404 or

251 posted on 09/26/2006 4:36:27 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb
Okay Then, Maybe It Only Took 5 Minutes (Bill Bickel's Crimeweek, September 25, 2006)

252 posted on 09/26/2006 4:38:48 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb
Stephen Miller
Posted: 9/25/06
You're a racist." She spat out the words with a loud, gleeful disdain, making sure everyone around was aware of her discovery. "I am?" I wasn't surprised by her accusation. It had already come to my attention that this had been a favorite topic of hers. This was just the first time she gave me the courtesy of saying it to my face.

"Yes. You hate black people." This should get interesting, I thought.

"Really? I hate black people? What would ever give you that idea?" In similar encounters, I've found this simple question was often enough to render friendly slanderers incoherent.

"I've read your columns." Oh no, she'd found me out.

"Is there anything in particular I've written that is racist?" Perhaps my column about Christmas?

"Most of your columns have been racist." And to think I still have a job.

"I see. So it's your opinion that The Chronicle felt it needed to fill the racist niche on their editorial pages and that's why they hired me?" Maybe we should take it to the next level and host an annual Aryan-Socialist mixer.

"You just think you're better than everyone else don't you?" I can certainly think of someone I've got beat.

"I can certainly think of someone I've got beat." Like I said.

Now my skin, in addition to being somewhat pasty, is also very thick. I wasn't personally wounded by these remarks. On a moral level, I was disturbed by the private and public slander, by an accusation that was so grotesquely false and baseless; but sadly, it was far from the first time someone had created this paranoid illusion out of the simple fact that I'm a conservative. And, as in every case, the person couldn't, for obvious reasons, produce a single example of anything to offer even the remotest support for their fantasy.

In this case, however, I wanted to address a larger problem at Duke-the fact that people like this can, with relative impunity, accuse conservatives of racism and that secondly, their friends or classmates won't call them out on it. Usually, I'd be happy just making the slanderer look like a fool, which I can promise you, doesn't require much effort. But this time I wanted to address head-on this sort of racially delusional behavior which strikes all too many of our peers. Plus, she'd apparently already spread this dangerous fiction around to anyone she could somehow get to listen. So I explained to her:

"You've got a mental disease." In fairness, it was more of a condition than a disease.

"Excuse me?" What an amazing switch from defamatory to indignant.

"That's right, you have a mental disease. You're obsessed with race. You see everything in terms of race, and you see everyone who disagrees with your worldviews as a racist. And guess what? Almost everybody you've been talking to thinks something is wrong with you. They've come up to me and told me. They're just afraid to tell you what they think because they're worried you'll call them a racist." That should give her pause.

She then started asking other people in the class if they shared my view of her. They were tellingly silent.

Again, I share this story to call attention to a serious problem on our campus. I'm sure everyone's heard a friend or a classmate or a peer make the bizarre leap from knowing someone is a conservative to claiming he or she is a racist. Next time this happens, ask the person to support his or her position. They'll usually turn into a stammering mess.

We live in a society where a single accusation can lead to ruin. Indeed, we've seen on Duke's own campus, with the lacrosse scandal, how truly dangerous an environment of racial paranoia is. When people adopt the outrageous assumption that conservatives, or wealthy white people or successful white people have it in for blacks and other minorities, and we let that assumption stand, we not only do a tremendous disservice to our society in general but also very particularly to these minorities themselves.

If, say, a young black kid thinks that no matter how hard they work wealthy white people are going to hold them back, (which could not be more false; companies in fact often go out of their way to achieve diversity) it saps their motivation and has devastating results on their potential for success.

Yet, the Democrats continue to fuel the destructive vision of a powerful, racist white oppressor from which they need to protect black voters in order to keep their lock on that vote. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., for instance, speaking to a black audience said that the Republicans ran Congress like a "plantation, and you know what I mean." It's one of a million examples.

Let's each do our own part on Duke's campus to break down this backward lie and not condescend to those who levy the false racist charge by letting it pass.

Anything short of that is a very real racial injustice.

Stephen Miller is a Trinity senior. His column runs every other Monday.

253 posted on 09/26/2006 5:03:38 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb
Athletic, academic plan receives mixed reviews
Gregory Beaton
Posted: 9/26/06
If imitation is the greatest form of flattery, then consider professor Paul Haagen quite flattered by a recent parody of his proposal to improve the relationship between athletics and academics.

At the Academic Council meeting last Thursday, Haagen, a Duke Law professor who chairs the council, introduced the "Faculty Athletics Associates Program," which calls for faculty representatives to be assigned to each of Duke's 22 varsity teams.

"I was hoping to increase the connection and depth of understanding between faculty and coaches," Haagen said. "The purpose is to have better interaction in terms of each side understanding the other."

The Academic Council's Executive Committee approved the plan, and 80 faculty members have already offered their services to become part of the program, Haagen said.

But some faculty members are not on board with Haagen's proposal, and a version mocking it has circulated among some within the University.

Co-written by Fred Nijhout and Richard Hain, professors of biology and math, respectively, the imitation is entitled "Coaches Academic Associates Program." The parody statement closely mirrors Haagen's original, but coaches are assigned to academic departments instead of faculty members assigned to varsity teams.

"The purpose of the program is to increase understanding among the coaches of academic life at Duke," Nijhout and Hain wrote. "The hope is to establish a mechanism for meaningful interaction among the faculty, coaches and student scholars, to insure that there will be some coaches with an informed understanding of the experience of student scholars at Duke.

"The program is open to all members of the coaching staff of the University, although it is hoped that most of the participating coaches will come from among those who coach pre-professional athletes and winning teams."

Nijhout declined to comment, saying the parody speaks for itself.

At the Academic Council meeting Thursday, Haagen acknowledged the imitation document, joking that he was "considered worthy of a parody."

Haagen dismissed the criticism, saying even he is unsure of how successful the program will end up being, but it is worth a shot.

"It is nothing other than an experiment," Haagen said. "But did 80 people say they were interested enough to try? Yes."

Some have not been so quick to laugh off the parody. Kerstin Kimel, head coach of the women's lacrosse team, said the parody was a "step backwards" in the relationship between athletics and academics.

"Given the circumstances under which we are all examining ourselves, to me, this kind of banter is childish and completely unproductive and totally disrespectful," Kimel said. "From a coach's standpoint, we really want to extend the olive branch to help improve."

Haagen's involvement in the program began in the spring, when questions were raised about the role of athletics at Duke in response to the controversy surrounding the 2005-2006 men's lacrosse team.

Haagen, who teaches sports law and works extensively with the Department of Athletics, became aware of a program at Princeton where faculty members are assigned to teams. He thought a similar plan could work at Duke, with some adjustments to adapt to the "different conditions."

Working with members of the Athletics Department-including Director of Athletics Joe Alleva, Senior Associate Athletic Director Chris Kennedy, Associate Athletic Director Jackie Silar and Kimel-Haagen drafted the proposal.

Duke's plan calls for faculty members to serve as liaisons for no more than three-year periods and to interact with the team without being required to monitor or report.

"Dealing with a variety of people this spring, I started to get a fairly clear sense that some coaches at Duke were relatively isolated from the faculty," Haagen said. "The coaches are very clear they're part of Duke as a centrally educational university, but they were not linked to people and relationships."

The proposal was met with strong support from the athletics department, Haagen said.

"They believe they have a good story to tell and would like to expose more people to it," Haagen said.

Kimel said discussions about such a program had already begun before the tumultuous events of last spring, as similar programs have been successful at other schools such as Princeton, Trinity College and Middlebury.

"I think it will facilitate better understanding of what we do on the athletics side of campus," Kimel said. "There is a propensity to not see the real-world value of participating in athletics at this level."

Meg Bourdillon contributed to this story.

254 posted on 09/26/2006 5:08:40 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb
A case for violence
Ad astra
Brian Kindle
Posted: 9/26/06
Last spring I attended the annual Take Back the Night speak-out on the Chapel Quadrangle. The last stop on the Night's march between East and West Campuses, and the capstone for Sexual Assault Prevention Week, the speak-out is a remarkable event: Participants step up to a microphone and share their personal experiences with rape and sexual assault, one after another, for hours.

Some stories are decades old, others are incredibly fresh, many are being revealed for the first time ever on that night. It's harrowing, raw and exhausting, but for many of its participants and those in the audience, speaking out seems to be genuinely healing.

Over the course of the evening, several men came forward to air tales of friends or family that had been sexually assaulted, or to pledge their support for efforts to end sexual assault. Although I was impressed by their show of solidarity, I wound up feeling that something was lacking, that the male contribution to the speak-out was more notable for what had not been said than what had.

The majority of rapes and assaults brought up in the speak-out were never reported to the police, but none of the men who spoke expressed a desire to find those responsible and hurt them severely. None of the men displayed the kind of blind rage at the perpetrators that I was feeling at the time. None of them spoke of a willingness to defend his female friends and family with more than his words.

This is no slight on the men who participated in that speak-out; not at all. To be honest, that evening was probably neither the time nor the place for such sentiments.

But in talking about sexual assault on Duke's campus, it's a conversation we never seem to have. As a man, what I am supposed to do about sexual assault? Why do all the solutions offered to me-signing vows never to harm women, protesting the use of sexist language-seem so impotent and lacking?

And most of all, is there a place for my desire for physical confrontation with the perpetrators of these crimes? Is there a case to be made for violent physical retaliation in dealing with sexual assault at Duke?

Go back a few decades, and it seems like my reaction was well within the norm. Men were expected to channel their violent impulses to the defense of the women in their lives. In our grandparents' generation and up until the 1960s, raping or assaulting a woman meant facing the very real threat of being hunted down and beaten or killed by her male relatives. Although I can't and won't advocate this kind of response, I also imagine it would be an enormous disincentive for a would-be rapist.

I don't want to idealize this period of American history any more than it already has been; I know it had its own massive problems, and I'm certainly not arguing for a return to a pre-Sexual Revolution set of cultural mores.

For better or worse, we no longer raise American men to defend women, and we no longer expect them to integrate violence into their lives constructively. We're way past the days when fathers taught their sons the proper way to throw a punch, and in most ways, that's a huge improvement.

But it still leaves me, and, I suspect, much of Duke's male population feeling pretty useless in the face of a tremendous and persistent problem.

In 2004, there were 94,635 incidents of rape in the country as a whole, and although the numbers have consistently fallen since peaking in the 1980s, the Department of Justice still estimates that 61 percent of rapes go completely unreported. It only gets worse on college campuses, with surveys indicating that one in five college-aged women will be raped or sexually assaulted.

I know women who were assaulted here at Duke. You probably do as well. None of them reported it to the police. Their attackers suffered no, or very little, punishment.

Call me bloodthirsty, but I can't help believing that if there were implicit, socially recognized consequences for sexual assault and harassment of women on this campus, beyond chastisement, beyond verbal disapproval, assault and rape would be far less common.

When so many rapists are never brought to trial, there needs to be another mechanism for keeping their behavior in check. To me, one answer may be violent retaliation on the part of the men of this University.

I know that right now many of you are cringing in horror at these proposals, and to be honest I'm not in love with them myself. But at the very least, these ideas-the role of men as the defenders of women, extra-legal consequences for those that commit rape, the use of physical violence against perpetrators of sexual assault-need to enter our ongoing dialogue about rape and sexual assault on this campus.

We need to do a better job of constructing a meaningful male response to sexual assault at Duke if we ever plan on ending it. Until then, I'll be left with two clenched fists and no one to use them on.

Brian Kindle is a Trinity senior. His column runs every Tuesday.

255 posted on 09/26/2006 5:12:13 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Howlin

Is this guy still beating this non-existant dead horse?

256 posted on 09/26/2006 5:13:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a pathological disorder masquerading as a religion.)
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To: Lazamataz

It ain't dead yet, Laz. There's 3 young men whose lives are on hold while the thing plays out...

257 posted on 09/26/2006 5:16:47 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

Kim Roberts Pittman walks past gathered media on her way to a probation violation hearing Monday. Pittman was sentenced to up to 120 days of house arrest.

258 posted on 09/26/2006 5:24:53 AM PDT by maggief
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To: abb

Stephen Miller will go far--his observations hit the nail on the head. THIS is why this case continues and Nifong isn't being held to account. Not only are the rich white kids assumed racist, but speaking out against this lie is politically incorrect, especially on college campuses.

259 posted on 09/26/2006 5:24:54 AM PDT by Neverforget01
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To: abb
I don't doubt that Finnerty's dad is pissed, but trashing the DA in public is not the best idea...
260 posted on 09/26/2006 5:26:11 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Jim R really needs to add 'mooselimb' and 'blog' to the spellchecker! and 'spellchecker', too! ;>)
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To: abb
It ain't dead yet, Laz.

Well, it was coughin' up blood last night.

261 posted on 09/26/2006 5:28:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a pathological disorder masquerading as a religion.)
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To: Lazamataz

Lol, it'll be dead when that iron door slams shut on the Fonger and he's in jail for malicious prosecution. Hell, I may visit North Carolina and visit the sob in jail just to gloat...

262 posted on 09/26/2006 5:31:07 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

It's unlawful for a student to hurl racial slurs at a Durham police officer but okay for the BALD cop to hurl racial slurs at the Blinco's cook.

Officer: Student used racial slurs

A 19-year-old Lakeview School student was arrested Monday for allegedly causing a disturbance in class during which she allegedly hurled racial slurs at a Durham police officer.

India Link, 16, of 715 Torredge Road, was charged with one count of disorderly conduct for allegedly calling Officer K.K. Crews a racial epithet.

Magistrate Chet Dobies ordered that Link be held at the jail until 10 p.m. before her mother be allowed to post $1,000 bond. Link is scheduled to appear November 6 in Durham County District Court.

263 posted on 09/26/2006 5:32:17 AM PDT by maggief
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To: abb

Nifong Is A Dirty Liar , & Where's another Elliot Ness When You Need Him .....

Nifong belongs in Jail , & Their should be a law so a DA Can Go to Jail For Abusing his Powers !

264 posted on 09/26/2006 6:28:41 AM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: gopheraj


265 posted on 09/26/2006 7:09:34 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Ready4Freddy
trashing the DA in public is not the best idea...

No?? Care to point out the down side? Whats it going to do? "Inflame" public opinion? Bias potential witnesses?

Fact is, defacto silence has enabled Nifong and since the local media won't print anything "opinionated" against him, I think Finnerty is doing himself and everyone else a service. I just wish more people would speak up and get their quotes in the local paper, especially before the upcoming election. You can't win against evil if you stay silent. Most people are not following the case like we are and theyre not reading the National Journal or Liestoppers blog or National Review. They're just reading "non-judgemnental, balanced " "news" from the N&O and the Hearld Sun... They need to be "educated".

266 posted on 09/26/2006 8:01:38 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: abb
Nifong responded that revocation of law licenses should be the penalty for violating the rules.

You want to bet that the above words will come back to haunt Nifong?
267 posted on 09/26/2006 8:29:52 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Ready4Freddy
The same DA who called his son a "hooligan"?

In public is the only place they have any hope of getting justice. You don't seriously think this is best left in the hands of the Durham system. It's one big "rat" infested bed they all share. Nifong has mishandled this case from the beginning. It needs to be very public.

268 posted on 09/26/2006 8:45:28 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: Nonstatist
No?? Care to point out the down side? Whats it going to do? "Inflame" public opinion? Bias potential witnesses? Fact is, defacto silence has enabled Nifong and since the local media won't print anything "opinionated" against him, I think Finnerty is doing himself and everyone else a service. I just wish more people would speak up and get their quotes in the local paper, especially before the upcoming election. You can't win against evil if you stay silent. Most people are not following the case like we are and theyre not reading the National Journal or Liestoppers blog or National Review. They're just reading "non-judgemnental, balanced " "news" from the N&O and the Hearld Sun... They need to be "educated".

Excellent! Bears repeating.

269 posted on 09/26/2006 8:49:56 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: maggief

She was not arrested for yelling a racial name at the cop. She was arrested for disorderly conduct. Disorderly conduct laws are on the books to allow the police to arrest anyone they want. When no being abused that is probably ok as it allows the police to defuses situations before a serious life changing crime is committed in anger.

270 posted on 09/26/2006 8:54:22 AM PDT by JLS
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To: All
Duke Lacrosse Rape Case Is Tawana Brawley Redux
Duke lacrosse: Custom, interest, and the pursuit of truth

271 posted on 09/26/2006 9:38:26 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Nonstatist

Most people are not following the case like we are and theyre not reading the National Journal or Liestoppers blog or National Review. They're just reading "non-judgemnental, balanced " "news" from the N&O and the Hearld Sun... They need to be "educated".

You just need to be a flea against injustice. Enough committed fleas biting strategically can make even the biggest dog uncomfortable and transform even the biggest nation.--Marian Wright Edelman

272 posted on 09/26/2006 9:55:44 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: abb
Nifong has said from the start -- and he's as good as his word-- that he'll prosecute this case even if there's no DNA evidence to support it.

Interesting comments on the site, but as we all know this is not what Nifong said from the start. But then we who have followed the case know what a liar Nifong is too.
273 posted on 09/26/2006 9:56:45 AM PDT by JLS
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To: abb

Attaboy to Stephen Miller.

274 posted on 09/26/2006 10:07:08 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: All
Too much, too soon

275 posted on 09/26/2006 11:45:40 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Ken H
Two more gems from KC Johnson (aren't they all?):

276 posted on 09/26/2006 12:09:53 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ready4Freddy

I thought Kevin Finnerty's comments were fairly mild considering what Nifong is doing to his son. At any rate, I'm glad he said it.

277 posted on 09/26/2006 12:26:35 PM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: SarahUSC

A lot milder than mine would have been, that's for sure.

278 posted on 09/26/2006 1:00:51 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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No DNA is not reads "reasonable doubt", it reads "Crystal is a frigg'n lying wh***........who thought the rich, white boy familes would settle out of court.

279 posted on 09/26/2006 1:05:01 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

280 posted on 09/26/2006 1:21:13 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: abb
We believe Nifong should quit this case because it's a loser. That's because the defense team has successfully used the media to make public information that will make it impossible to find a jury that will convict the Duke lacrosse players of rape.

In doing so, these lawyers simply followed Nifong's lead.

Nifong should quit the case because the defense team has successfully used the media? And the MSM wonders why their readership is down. No, Nifong should drop this case because he has no DNA, the ho can't keep her story straight and the accused have good alibis. If Nifong was a real man he would have dropped this case a long time ago and went after the lying drug addicted mentally unstable hooker.

281 posted on 09/26/2006 1:31:28 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Sue Perkick

Mine too. I hope Kevin Finnerty grinds Nifong into dog meat. He has every right, after what Nifong has done.

282 posted on 09/26/2006 2:30:46 PM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: SarahUSC
It's gonna haaaaaaaaaaaappen!
283 posted on 09/26/2006 2:55:27 PM PDT by NDLax84
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To: pepperhead

My reaction to that opinion piece was the same as yours.

The defense lawyers 'used the media' and now there can be no conviction?

Perhaps Nifong should drop the case because there is something just a little bit wrong with trying to railroad young men into prison on the basis of a crude hoax--all for one's personal gain and profit.

284 posted on 09/26/2006 3:03:59 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: San Jacinto

(found on another board, but worth repeating)--

This is an election year. So, here's an email survey to send around to your congressmen and all congressional candidates :


Here are two hypothetical questions being asked of all Congressmen and Congressional candidates. (Results of those who respond will be posted on the Internet, by name and district.)

1) Do you think the FBI should be sent to investigate KKK intimidation of potential jurors and witnesses, and death threats made against defendants in criminal cases?

2) Do you think the FBI should be sent to investigate the beating of black civilians by off-duty drunken white police officers, especially if they use racial epithets like "N---r!" and "boy!"?

Thank you for your response.


Post results here (if any).

Try the following to get email addresses :

One click, and you can do a lot to help.

285 posted on 09/26/2006 4:38:16 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: abb

I disagree.

This was a bad decision. It's been 6 months. The DA has had more than ample time to determine exactly what forms the crime took and when it occurred within the sequence of events that night. It was not too soon to move for a bill of particulars and the judge was wrong to wholly deny it.

This doesn't look good.

286 posted on 09/26/2006 5:48:54 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: BerniesFriend

Nifong is counting on a biased Durham jury to convict no matter what and how many absurdities they must hurdle over to reach a guilty verdict.

287 posted on 09/26/2006 5:51:40 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: abb

But the poll just happened. It seems to me that Durham Rules allow for at least 6 months of rifling around to locate all the questions and that they shouldn't need to be exactly what was asked anyway. After all, if the boys aren't entitled to know what acts they supposedly committed and when, I just don't see any need to supply anybody with those questions.

288 posted on 09/26/2006 5:54:21 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

Yeah, "We are trying to convict you on very serious charges. Now keep your mouth shut." "When we are ready for you to proclaim your innocence, we'll let you know."

289 posted on 09/26/2006 7:21:01 PM PDT by NeonKnight (We don't believe you, you need more people.)
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To: Sacajaweau
They couldn't have settled the case out of court if they wanted to - you can not pay off someone in criminal case. It's a crime to pay a witness in a criminal case.
290 posted on 09/26/2006 7:36:31 PM PDT by jennyd
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To: abb

She hasn't paid restitution yet? I guess she wasn't able to spin that story to her advantage and profit from it all that well.

291 posted on 09/26/2006 7:43:02 PM PDT by jennyd
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Hah. The affidavit to obtain DNA claim DNA will rule out innocent person and find the guilty ones. So, no, Nifong hasn't said he will prosecute without DNA. He only said that after DNA didn't turn out the way he wanted.
292 posted on 09/26/2006 7:45:39 PM PDT by jennyd
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To: Jezebelle
This was a bad decision.

Yep now a third NC Judge does not start out very well on this case. My concerns include:

1. This decision on the bill of particulars on the vary day Nifong tries to change the story to 5 to 10 minutes.

2. Reports of more Nifong unprofessional behavior such as rolling his eyes etc. [This was mentioned in the Anderson column.]

3. The lack of televised hearings allowing Nifong to behave as in point 2.

4. Allowing Nifong to lie in open court about his number of interviews and attribute the claim of 50 to the internet when in fact it came from his mouth.

Does Smith not have a clue why he was given this case?
293 posted on 09/26/2006 10:58:57 PM PDT by JLS
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To: All
Outstanding summary of Nifong deceit:

We all know of high-profile cases in which defense attorneys made early, bold pronouncements of innocence, only to revise their opinions as more facts about the case came to light.

The lacrosse case, however, represents a rare reversal of this pattern: defense statements have been consistent from the start, while the person revising his statements in light of new evidence is the prosecutor. It's almost as if Mike Nifong didn't read any of his case file before proceeding with indictments.

[end excerpt]

294 posted on 09/27/2006 1:14:35 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: All

Edmisten dinner draws DA opponents

By Ray Gronberg, The Herald-Sun
September 26, 2006 10:46 pm

DURHAM -- A former state attorney general sponsored a dinner meeting two weeks ago that gave key opponents of District Attorney Mike Nifong a platform to try convincing write-in challenger Steve Monks to drop out of the upcoming DA's election.

The meeting began at a Raleigh restaurant, the 42nd St. Oyster Bar & Seafood Grill, and continued in the South Salisbury office of former attorney general, Democratic gubernatorial candidate and N.C. Secretary of State Rufus Edmisten, Monks said Tuesday.

Monks and his campaign manager, Charlotte Woods, said they conferred at the meeting with Edmisten and four Nifong opponents, former Durham County Sheriff Roland Leary, state juvenile justice official Ed Pope, Durham lawyer Jerry Clayton and former DA candidate Freda Black.

The group was trying to convince Monks to end his write-in candidacy so another erstwhile Nifong challenger, County Commissioner Lewis Cheek, can go one-on-one against Nifong in the Nov. 7 election, Monks and Woods said.

"Obviously, they're concerned, or they wouldn't have had this meeting," Woods said. "It's quite obvious that they have a huge concern that Cheek will not win as long as Steve is in the mix. And guess what: They're right."

Cheek has said that though he won't serve if elected, a victory for him would allow Gov. Mike Easley to appoint Nifong's successor.

Nifong's critics fear the possibility that Cheek and Monks will split the opposition vote and allow Nifong to win. Monks and Woods said that specter shaped the discussion that unfolded at Edmisten's table and later in his office.

But rather than agreeing to bow out of the race, Monks says he asked the Durhamites to support him instead of Cheek. That counterstroke was also unsuccessful. Pope and Leary left after dinner, telling Woods, she said, that they "were not about to change their position." The follow-up talk with Clayton and Black at Edmisten's office also failed to change any minds.

"We left agreeing to disagree," Monks said.

Monks -- chairman of the Durham County Republican Party -- said his determination to stay in the race stems from his opposition to the idea of letting Easley once again choose Durham County's chief prosecutor. The Democrat appointed Nifong to the job last year after former District Attorney Jim Hardin gained a judgeship.

Woods added that Monks would only consider withdrawing if there's certainty about Nifong's successor -- which could emerge if Cheek changed his mind about serving, or if the governor went public with the name of a prospective replacement.

"As I told [Edmisten, withdrawal] might be a viable option if we absolutely had a guarantee of who the governor was going to appoint," she said. "And we're not going to have that. I don't think anybody truly knows, and that's the Catch-22. If the governor made a public statement, that 'this is what I'm going to do,' then we could talk again. But that's not going to happen."

Such details about the substance of the conversation were available Tuesday only from the Monks camp. Black and Leary both confirmed that they attended the dinner. Clayton, Pope and Edmisten didn't return phone calls seeking comment.

Leary declined to discuss the substance of the meeting. "I was invited. I attended. I stayed about an hour and I left ... after two cups of coffee," he said, adding that beyond that, he wouldn't comment.

Black said Edmisten is "a close family friend" of hers and had issued the invitations. She denied participating in any conversation about the DA's race, and said the group went to Edmisten's office after dinner to look over some mementos of the former attorney general's political career, including a subpoena for White House tapes he served on former President Richard Nixon as a staff attorney on the U.S. Senate Watergate Committee. Edmisten was an aide to the late U.S. Sen. Sam Ervin, D-N.C., chairman of the committee.

"Others may have discussed it, but I didn't discuss it," Black said when she'd talked with others at the dinner about the DA's race.

Monks and Woods were firm, however, in saying that while they enjoyed seeing the Nixon subpoena at Edmisten's office, they had also talked about the race with Black and Clayton.

"They were engaged in a dialogue about whether or not I should withdraw," Monks said. "That was their side. My side was, 'I'm a good candidate who deserves to be supported.' "

Woods added that her invitation to the dinner came by phone from Clayton's law office, not Edmisten's.

She and Monks disagreed somewhat on the role Edmisten -- who has done commentary on the Duke lacrosse case for Court TV -- played in the discussion.

Monks said Edmisten's presence was the "drawing card" that convinced people to attend, and that he tried to facilitate the discussion without pushing an agenda of his own. The former attorney general acted as "a mediator or someone to say, 'Guys, let's just talk here, what do you want to do for the good of the community,' " Monks said.

Woods, however, said it was clear to her that while he avoided criticizing Nifong, Edmisten wanted Monks to drop out of the race. She agreed with Monks about Edmisten's role as a drawing card.

"I don't care who you are and which side of the bridge you're on, you can't go out to dinner with Rufus Edmisten and not have a good time," she said. "He's just an enjoyable, amiable type of person. However, be assured, I was on my guard because I knew I was up against somebody who certainly wasn't in my camp."

Asked for their reaction, Cheek and Nifong both commented on the mix of people present at the dinner, with Nifong terming it "unusual" and Cheek "odd."

Cheek said he can understand why some people would ask Monks to withdraw.

"People are voting on whether they want Mike Nifong to be their district attorney for the next four years or not," he said. "First thing is you've got two choices and not three, and you've got two names on the ballot. That makes it easier. And you eliminate the idea of a pure write-in situation, and that makes it easier."

Nifong said that, like Monks, he doesn't see the point of putting the decision about who serves back in Easley's lap.

"I am still puzzled about why there are so many people who want someone other than the voters to make that decision," he said. "These people who have made it clear they don't want me to be DA, as is their absolute right, have had ample opportunity to find someone to run against me. What they appear to be doing is trying to get people to vote against me by suggesting some future possibility that's out of their hands."

URL for this article:

Outraged by Nifong

I was surprised by Mary Portwood Artley's letter of Sept. 21. Artley previously contacted me and in a most pleasant conversation I explained that our research had shown most citizens did not mind, and even expected flyers on their cars during an election season. I admitted we did not know District Attorney Mike Nifong attended the church in question and in return she admitted he was not in attendance. I promised to avoid her church in the future and believed the matter to be settled in a cordial way.

However, after Artley's vehement letter, I feel I must answer with the following observations.

Despite her statement that other members of that church were outraged, curiously, we received only one other complaint. Elections are a private matter and even Artley cannot gauge how much "outrage" there may be at seeing a flyer on one's car versus seeing Nifong's outrageous behavior as DA.

Recall Nifong-Vote Cheek is a grassroots campaign made up of people campaigning -- not in their own private interest, not for power, or increased pensions, or the pursuit of an unbridled ego. We are proud to be Durhamites and are dismayed at the way Nifong has disgraced our community nationally and divided this diverse community of families locally.

Sometimes, we will make mistakes. But please remember: There is nothing in this campaign for ourselves, except a better Durham for all of us.

September 27, 2006

295 posted on 09/27/2006 3:09:12 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: jennyd
Crystal could have refused to testify. Just take the money & run. Nifong wouldn't go after a poor black single mother trying to eek out a living just trying to get her babies some milk & crackers. She's not only a student but a vi-vi-victim.

Prostitution is a crime too. Nobody in Durham seems to care.

296 posted on 09/27/2006 6:36:00 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: Sue Perkick

Mangum can take what money? She isn't going to any money out of this deal.

297 posted on 09/27/2006 7:13:12 AM PDT by JLS
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That's not what I said. That was a response to another poster who was responding to another poster.

I agree that Crystal probably thought she was going to make some money off this. The fact that it would be illegal is somewhat irrelevant given the FA's "profession".

298 posted on 09/27/2006 7:23:10 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: All
Research reveals impact of lax scandal on Duke's image

299 posted on 09/27/2006 8:07:26 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

[ Jury duty in Durham]-- Hopefully a moot issue in the coming months.
As you can read from excerpts below, it seems nothing in Durham comes easy.

March 1, 2000 The News & Observer
Jury duty missed


DURHAM -- Donna Hardy didn't realize she had missed jury duty until she read the morning paper. There, in black and white, she discovered that a judge had ordered no-show jurors to come to court Friday and explain their absence. "I saw it and thought, 'Oh my God, I missed it,' and it was all over the paper," Hardy said. "I just got the call that I have to go before a judge Friday, and I'm shaking in my

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April 15, 2004 The News & Observer
Deputies scoop 7 for jury pool

Samiha Khanna Staff Writer

DURHAM -- Sheriff's deputies on the hunt this week for 43 missing prospective jurors found seven who came to court Wednesday to tell a judge why they missed jury duty. The seven residents could have been cited for contempt of court, but Superior Court Judge Abraham Jones excused two of the no-shows and told the rest to report for duty next week. Of the other missing members of the jury pool, six were excused due to age and deputies couldn't find 30, many

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March 4, 2000 The News & Observer
Durham jury list is suspect

John Sullivan STAFF WRITER

DURHAM -- During a week when more than 100 people apparently failed to report for jury duty, county officials said Friday that the problem might be with the county's list of potential jurors, not apathy. The discovery came on the same day that Superior Court Judge Abraham Jones slapped a dozen of the no-shows with $50 fines for shirking their obligation to serve earlier this week. Kathy Shuart, the county's trial court administrator, said a State Board of Elections

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April 14, 2000 The News & Observer
Jury absence nets jail time


DURHAM -- A man who failed to show up for jury duty last month was arrested before dawn Wednesday and spent 12 hours in the Durham County jail after a Superior Court judge cited him with contempt of court. When Judge Abe Jones found out that Rodney Duane Johnson had been arrested and was being held because he couldn't raise $50 bail, Jones left a civil trial to hear the case. Jones said it was only the second time in his four years on the bench that he has ordered someone

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March 7, 2000 The News & Observer
Weighing jury no-shows


Well, it seems that Durham County residents called to jury duty aren't particularly uncivic-minded after all. Court officials seeking jurors couldn't obtain the latest voter registration rolls from the county elections office, so they settled for a state database containing the name of every voter who'd ever registered in the county. But the list included the deceased and some people who long ago had moved away. That snafu might be thought of as funny, as are

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February 24, 2000 The News & Observer
The case of the missing jurors has counties scrambling


It's been a tough week for some of the state's judges, who are finding that a growing number of people no longer believe that jury duty - like voting - is a civic responsibility worth fulfilling. In Johnston County, a judge, frustrated after dozens of potential jurors failed to show up for a capital murder trial, ordered them to appear before him Wednesday to explain why they were no-shows. In Durham County, where the rate of compliance is among the lowest in the

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March 15, 2000 The News & Observer
Judge continues his campaign to fill jury pool in Durham


DURHAM -- A judge ordered sheriff's deputies to arrest four people Tuesday after they failed to show up in court to explain why they missed jury duty last week. The action is the latest in a battle Superior Court Judge Abe Jones is waging against people who don't show up for jury duty as the county struggles to fix problems with the list it uses to call potential jurors. Because the list mistakenly included the names of thousands of registered voters who no longer

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April 14, 2004 The News & Observer
Prospective jurors get a message

Ann S. Kim
Andrea Weigl Staff Writers

DURHAM -- When close to half of the 83 prospective jurors failed to report for duty Tuesday at the Durham County courthouse, Judge Abraham Jones had a solution: Order the no-shows to come in and explain themselves. Deputies were sent around the county to serve three dozen court orders. The no-shows are to appear in court this morning. "I'm trying to send a message that jury summonses have to be responded to and respected," Jones said in an

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February 20, 2003 The News & Observer
Potential juror jailed for use of alcohol

From Staff Reports

DURHAM -- A judge threw a man in jail Wednesday after he showed up for jury duty in Durham Superior Court with alcohol on his breath. Judge J.B. Allen received a complaint that Howard McCoy Fuller had accosted a court clerk in the hallway during a break. Fuller was a member of the jury pool and could have been selected to sit on the jury of an assault case. Allen asked Fuller to approach the judge's bench and ordered him to exhale. After getting a smell, Allen exclaimed,

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March 7, 2000 The News & Observer
Jury pool grows deeper after fines
Civic duty found more compelling


DURHAM -- Last week, the Durham courts had barely enough people to seat a jury. But Monday, just days after a judge fined eight people who failed to appear for jury duty, there weren't enough seats for potential jurors. More than 90 of the 139 people who were summoned for jury duty showed up for court, raising the temperature in the jury room so high that clerks had to open the doors. About a dozen people sat on the floor for several hours, waiting to be called. No one had

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September 16, 1992 The News & Observer
Free jury parking in works County will lease spaces in city lot

THOMAS HEALY Staff writer

DURHAM -- Jury duty might never be fun, but at least you won't have to pay for parking. One month after the county took away the downtown jury parking lot, officials have come up with a way to provide 50 spaces a day for jurors just a stone's throw from the Durham Judicial Building. And the best part is, they're free. Under the plan, approved by the county commissioners Monday night, the county will pay $25,000 a year to lease spaces in a city-owned

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July 1, 2000 The News & Observer
Jury penalties are dismissed


DURHAM -- A Superior Court judge has thrown out the contempt of court findings against six people who failed to appear for jury duty. In March, Superior Court Judge Abraham Jones found the six in contempt, a criminal misdemeanor, and fined them. But on Friday, Superior Court Judge Ronald Stephens dismissed the convictions, ruling that Jones had failed to follow required criminal procedure and inform the potential jurors of their rights, including their right to refuse to testify against

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June 24, 1992 The News & Observer
Judge checks out juror's excuse Durham officer sent to man's house to verify child's chicken pox

THOMAS HEALY Staff writer

DURHAM -- Judge Anthony Brannon has heard his share of excuses from folks trying to squirm out of jury duty. So when a juror called Tuesday to say his 4-year-old daughter had a case of chicken pox, the veteran of the bench didn't bite. Instead, he sent a sheriff's deputy to the man's house to check the story out. What did the deputy find? A little girl with chicken pox. The incident unfolded after Lincoln Scott awoke Tuesday to find red dots on his

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June 14, 2003 The News & Observer
Judge upset over potential juror's hardship

Demorris Lee Staff Writer

DURHAM -- Evangeline Lavette Doster had a persuasive reason for avoiding jury duty in the Mike Peterson murder trial: She would have to collect welfare if taken away from her job at a day-care center for six to eight weeks. "I'm the only source of income," said Doster, 34, a mother of three. "I would have to apply for aid from social services." Superior Court Judge Orlando Hudson dismissed Doster from the jury but also

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March 10, 2000 The News & Observer
Finger-pointing on faulty list for Durham jury picks
County got what it sought, state says

John Sullivan STAFF WRITER Lead

DURHAM -- The State Board of Elections says it is not to blame for a bad voter registration list that caused the courts to send thousands of summonses to people who no longer live in the county. "The guys who generated that list generate exactly what they are asked for," said Bob Rauf, who runs the state election board's information technology department. Now, the county Board of Elections, the state elections board and the county's

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August 12, 1992 The News & Observer
Judge objects to jurors' loss of free parking

THOMAS HEALY Staff writer

DURHAM -- It's already one of the most undesirable jobs around. The hours are long and the pay's lousy. Not to mention that it's tedious work that often involves deciding the future of people you've never met. Now jury duty in Durham is about to become even more of a drag. As of Aug. 17, the parking lot for jurors will be closed so workers can begin construction of a new county office building. As a result, those called for jury duty will

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February 29, 2000 The News & Observer
No-shows in jury pool get day in court

John Sullivan STAFF WRITER

DURHAM -- A Superior Court judge said Monday that 61 people who didn't report for jury duty as summoned will have to come to court Friday and explain why. And if their excuse isn't convincing, Judge Abraham Penn Jones said, he'll slap them with fines or one-day jail terms; the choice will be theirs. "We've got a problem here," said Jones, who is from Wake County. "I've seen 60 percent not show or

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300 posted on 09/27/2006 9:13:26 AM PDT by xoxoxox
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