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DA: Alleged Duke Rape Took 5-10 Minutes
AP ^ | September 22, 2006 | AARON BEARD

Posted on 09/22/2006 1:20:40 PM PDT by Howlin

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1 posted on 09/22/2006 1:20:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: abb; Alia; AntiGuv; AmishDude; Bogeygolfer; BossLady; Brytani; beyondashadow; bwteim; Carling; ...

DUKELAX PING!!!


2 posted on 09/22/2006 1:21:16 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Howlin

www.news14.com


Defense: Nifong moving too slowly
Updated: 9/22/2006 11:49:49 AM
By: Associated Press

District Attorney Mike Nifong said the evidence provided Friday included much of what was requested by defense lawyers.
District Attorney Mike Nifong said the evidence provided Friday included much of what was requested by defense lawyers.

DURHAM -- Lawyers representing three former Duke lacrosse players charged with rape complained again Friday about the slow pace with which they said prosecutors are sharing evidence.

"There is a pattern that has developed ... that we don't get discovery unless a court date is set and we're here before a judge," said defense attorney Brad Bannon, who represents defendant David Evans.

Just before Friday's previously scheduled hearing, District Attorney Mike Nifong gave defense lawyers 615 pages of evidence, a compact disc and a cassette tape. Prosecution evidence must be shared with the defense under North Carolina's discovery laws.

Nifong said the evidence provided Friday included much of what was requested by defense lawyers, who had asked for handwritten notes from police officers involved with the case, reports outlining procedures used at the labs who tested the DNA of the players and notes from a mental health facility where police took the accuser after a March 13 lacrosse team party where she was hired to perform as a stripper.

The woman, a student at nearby North Carolina Central University, later told police she was raped in a bathroom by three men at the off-campus party.

Nifong responded by telling Superior Court Judge W. Osmond Smith III that he is now personally handling discovery issues in his office.

"We're providing in good faith what we can in these circumstances," Nifong said. "Despite the feelings of some people, this is not the only case in Durham."

Evans, who has graduated from Duke, and underclassmen Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty were indicted on charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual offense. Defense attorneys have strongly proclaimed their clients' innocence.


3 posted on 09/22/2006 1:22:34 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Howlin

This story has changed so many times...


4 posted on 09/22/2006 1:22:54 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi..)
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To: cardinal4

It has to change to fit the evidence.


5 posted on 09/22/2006 1:24:23 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Howlin

Google links to various articles posted about this:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://rdu.news14.com/content/headlines/%3FArID%3D91299%26SecID%3D2


6 posted on 09/22/2006 1:25:07 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Howlin

Depends on the meaning of what "raped" is.

Depends on the meaning of what "minutes" is.


7 posted on 09/22/2006 1:25:09 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: Howlin

I see that Evans has graduated. Do you know if he has been able to get a job and try to start living a post-grad life? Hard, I know, with this hanging over your head.


8 posted on 09/22/2006 1:26:38 PM PDT by twigs
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To: All

discussion coming up on court tv @ bottom of hour.


9 posted on 09/22/2006 1:27:49 PM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Howlin

he's changing the women's testimony now ??


10 posted on 09/22/2006 1:28:06 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey McCain and Graham .... our soldiers signed up to dodge bullets not lawsuits)
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To: Howlin
"When something happens to you that is really awful, it can seem like it takes place longer than it actually takes," District Attorney Mike Nifong said.

I feel this way every time I listen to Mike Nifong speak :O)

11 posted on 09/22/2006 1:28:49 PM PDT by jdm (I gotta give the Helen Thomas obsession a rest.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

After all, it's just sex. /s


12 posted on 09/22/2006 1:29:20 PM PDT by jdm (I gotta give the Helen Thomas obsession a rest.)
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To: Howlin
Superior Court Judge W. Osmond Smith III denied a defense request that prosecutors provide a detailed accounting of the alleged assault, including the exact time, place and type of sexual act the accuser said each defendant committed.

Is it just me, or does this sound nuts to you, too? "You're accused of ... doing something ... but we won't tell you what!"

13 posted on 09/22/2006 1:29:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Please pray for Vlad's four top incisors to arrive real soon!)
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To: Howlin

I'm praying that the defense attorneys have some more timed receipts that will slewer Nifong's latest time scenario. Crystal, no doubt, had a stop watch. 8)


14 posted on 09/22/2006 1:30:23 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Passivity is far slyer and more lethal than rabid Bush hatred.. --Mark Steyn)
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To: Tax-chick

Smith told the defense they could refile the motion for a Bill of Particulars later.


15 posted on 09/22/2006 1:30:30 PM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Tax-chick
Bases of a dismissal.
16 posted on 09/22/2006 1:31:12 PM PDT by Perdogg (If you stay home in November, you will elect Pelosi speaker)
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To: Howlin

Just when you thought the case couldn't get stupider. Nifongery strikes again.


17 posted on 09/22/2006 1:31:16 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: abb

I don't see how that helps, especially.


18 posted on 09/22/2006 1:31:22 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Please pray for Vlad's four top incisors to arrive real soon!)
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To: Carolinamom

slewer = skewer


19 posted on 09/22/2006 1:31:58 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Passivity is far slyer and more lethal than rabid Bush hatred.. --Mark Steyn)
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To: Howlin

Bump


20 posted on 09/22/2006 1:32:09 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Howlin

Pinocchio Nifong speaks again.

}>>>>>>>>>>>>>


21 posted on 09/22/2006 1:32:24 PM PDT by Palladin (Benedict--the New Sobieski?)
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To: cardinal4

They can't win based on the facts, so they are attempting to change the facts.


22 posted on 09/22/2006 1:33:06 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tax-chick

Nifong said he ONLY gave 15 interviews. LOL


23 posted on 09/22/2006 1:33:18 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Passivity is far slyer and more lethal than rabid Bush hatred.. --Mark Steyn)
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To: Tax-chick
I don't see how that helps, especially.

I don't think Smith's decision today on the BOP was mechanical. I think it was just an effort by Smith to give the DA a temporary win. Politically, Smith cannot turn this thing around 180 degrees in one hearing. The proper PR has to be put in place before he can do that. It's coming. Remember, this has ALWAYS been a trial by media. And it always will be...

24 posted on 09/22/2006 1:34:05 PM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Tax-chick

But if Nifong tells them, they will provide evidence to prove otherwise. Then he will have to start all over again.


25 posted on 09/22/2006 1:34:44 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: Howlin

I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on tv..but I don't see where nifong is going with this..he can't go to trial..the defense would rip the "victim" apart with her holes in her story and past accusations..is the da hoping the players will accept a plea bargain??..maybe someone with a law degree can splain this to me..


26 posted on 09/22/2006 1:35:13 PM PDT by BerniesFriend
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To: abb

Oh, I see. Thanks for the further details; I haven't been following this situation that closely.


27 posted on 09/22/2006 1:35:42 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Please pray for Vlad's four top incisors to arrive real soon!)
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To: Sue Perkick

Now that response goes straight to the heart of the matter!


28 posted on 09/22/2006 1:36:32 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Please pray for Vlad's four top incisors to arrive real soon!)
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To: abb

Beth Karas courttv:

Nifong's poll motion was taken up this afternoon. Defense submitted to judge sealed package of poll questions.


29 posted on 09/22/2006 1:37:31 PM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Carolinamom

What? The first DAY? LOL. What a maroon.


30 posted on 09/22/2006 1:38:04 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: Mo1

It took lots of practice with their legal coach on how to win over a jury.


31 posted on 09/22/2006 1:40:00 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: All

Next hearing date Oct 20


32 posted on 09/22/2006 1:40:54 PM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: jdm

Nifong and Fitz, perfect together. Evil people undermining the respect for the justice system in this country.


33 posted on 09/22/2006 1:41:38 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend

Nifong has said that the accuser WILL take the stand. I want to see these defense attorneys expose her lies in open court. And I don't care a whiff that she will most likely turn on the tears in a further effort to act the victim...of them.


34 posted on 09/22/2006 1:47:00 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Passivity is far slyer and more lethal than rabid Bush hatred.. --Mark Steyn)
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"Three Duke lacrosse players took five to 10 minutes to sexually assault a woman hired to perform as a stripper at a team party,"

If there is any justice in this case, Nifong will at the very least lose his license to practice.

35 posted on 09/22/2006 1:48:16 PM PDT by Darlin' ((,,,, ? OMG ! I've missplaced another tagline ?))
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To: Carolinamom

It depends on the meaning of interview, of course. He is taking out appearences, candidate forums etc. in his count I bet. The Dims all learned well from Clinton which is why they are a permanent minority.


36 posted on 09/22/2006 1:48:36 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Carolinamom

She has to take the stand. The only "evidence" of this non-rape is her say so. There is nothing else.


37 posted on 09/22/2006 1:49:19 PM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: Carolinamom
Nifong has said that the accuser WILL take the stand. I think she HAS to take the stand--those she accused have the absolute right to question her. The accused, however, don't have to take the stand.
38 posted on 09/22/2006 1:49:29 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: Howlin

Bingo. Now its three rapes in a five to ten minute span of time.


39 posted on 09/22/2006 1:50:58 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: BerniesFriend

Nifong is hoping to stir up enough dust between now and the November election to keep his base behind him. This has and always will be about keeping Nifong in the DA's office.


40 posted on 09/22/2006 1:51:06 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Carolinamom
I'm praying that the defense attorneys have some more timed receipts that will slewer Nifong's latest time scenario.

You know that's why Nifong won't give the exact times.

41 posted on 09/22/2006 1:51:56 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Mo1

Apparently so...........LOL.

Just like he demonstrated HOW she was held from behind, remember?

He was wrong about that, too.


42 posted on 09/22/2006 1:52:37 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: abb

What did CTV have to say??


43 posted on 09/22/2006 1:53:15 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: BerniesFriend

CTV's Beth Karas questioned Nifong in the court room about arraignments. Said accused won't be arraigned until closer to trial in case they want to enter a PLEA.


44 posted on 09/22/2006 1:54:34 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Tax-chick

It sounded crazy to me; why aren't the entitled to know exactly what they are accused of?


45 posted on 09/22/2006 1:55:03 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Carolinamom
This case is hanging on until after the election. I can only hope that the low life lying dog is voted out of office.

This travesty could have happened to anyone.

46 posted on 09/22/2006 1:55:12 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Howlin

nifong's poll motion was discussed. judge given copy of questions from defense team. sked for next hearing 10/20


47 posted on 09/22/2006 1:55:34 PM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Howlin

Well, we all know that oral sex is not sex because clinton said so, and Nifong will just have to drop one of those charges. /s


48 posted on 09/22/2006 1:55:42 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Passivity is far slyer and more lethal than rabid Bush hatred.. --Mark Steyn)
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To: Carolinamom

When did he say that??


49 posted on 09/22/2006 1:55:45 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: BerniesFriend
is the da hoping the players will accept a plea bargain??..

Hell, he's probably still hoping one of them will come forward "with the truth" about what really happened.

I'm like you; why is he driving this train off a cliff?

50 posted on 09/22/2006 1:57:01 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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