Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Woman Charged in Deaths of Mother, Fetus
http://www.comcast.net ^ | 9 23 06 | JIM SUHR

Posted on 09/23/2006 6:30:59 PM PDT by freepatriot32

1 hour ago

EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. - A woman was charged Saturday in the deaths of a pregnant friend and the fetus authorities believe she cut out from the slain woman's womb after knocking the victim unconscious.

Tiffany Hall, 24, was charged as authorities implored the public for help in their search for the victim's two sons, ages 7 and 2, and 1-year-old daughter. Authorities say they were last seen with Hall on Monday, three days before she was taken into custody.

Hall, who was jailed on $5 million bond, faces charges of first-degree murder and intentional homicide of an unborn child in the death of 23-year-old Jimella Tunstall, said St. Clair County State's Attorney Robert Haida.

Relatives of both women told media outlets the two grew up together and attended alternative schools. The woman in custody often baby-sat Tunstall's children, and Tunstall never expressed worry about leaving them in her care, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

An autopsy showed Tunstall bled to death after sustaining an abdominal wound caused by a sharp object, believed to be scissors, said Ace Hart, a deputy St. Clair County coroner.

Hart said he believes Tunstall was knocked unconscious before her baby, seven months into gestation, was removed during a slaying he called "very graphic and very brutal."

Officials were optimistic about the prospects of finding the children unharmed. Illinois State Police Capt. Craig Koehler said authorities will not end the search until the children are found.

"We have no evidence that leads us to believe they're dead," he said, adding two or three additional sites will be searched in and around East St. Louis on Sunday.

"These children are from East St. Louis," said Police Chief James Mister. "They know how to survive."

Koehler and Mister refused to publicly discuss the evidence or possible statements Hall has made to investigators. Authorities have also refused to reveal how the women knew each other, or whether Hall's alleged confession came before Tunstall's body was found.

Hall will likely be arraigned Monday on the charges, each carrying a 20 to 60 years or life in prison, Haida said. The murder count could be punishable by the death penalty.

"It's way too early to talk about that," Haida said. "Obviously, it's a very devastating situation for the families, but we're hopeful for a positive outcome in the return of the three children."

The charges came a day after a meticulous scouring of the 1,100-acre Frank Holten State Park, just blocks from where Tunstall's body was found. Investigators would not say what led them to believe the children were there.

Officials suspect Tunstall was slain on or about Sept. 15, Haida said.

The same day, Hall summoned police to the Frank Holten park, saying she had gone into labor, Hart said. The dead baby, taken to a hospital, showed no signs of trauma, and an autopsy the next day failed to pinpoint a cause of death, he said.

Hall would not let doctors at the hospital examine her and offered conflicting reasons for why she went into labor, alternately saying she had consensual sex and was raped, Hart said.

Authorities say Hall acknowledged to her boyfriend during the baby's funeral Thursday that the child wasn't his, and that she killed the mother. The boyfriend told police, who arrested his girlfriend hours later, investigators said.

DNA tests should determine definitively whether the baby was the one Tunstall was carrying, Hart said.

The baby was buried Thursday as Taylor Horn after a funeral arranged by L. King Funeral Chapel, whose president said Hall called minutes after the service was to start, asking if she could reschedule for a different day so more relatives could attend. At the time, Levi King said, only two relatives were there.

The woman showed up two hours late, ultimately signing an affidavit for the funeral home stating that the child was hers, King said.

The East St. Louis case is the second recent case in the area involving babies.

Shannon Torrez, 36, of Lonedell, Mo. _ south of St. Louis, about an hour's drive from here _ is accused of slashing a young mother's throat and kidnapping her baby on Sept. 15. The baby was returned unharmed Tuesday, the same day Torrez was arrested.

Also in Missouri, Lisa Montgomery will stand trial April 30 on charges of snatching a baby from the womb of Bobbie Jo Stinnett at her Skidmore, Mo., home in 2004. The baby survived.


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: charged; deathcultivation; deaths; donutwatch; eaststlouis; fetus; illinois; mother; murder; stringherup; woman
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-85 next last
This photo released by the Illinois State Police Friday, Sept. 22, 2006 in Collinsville, Ill shows Jimella Tunstall, 23. who was found slain after apparently having a fetus cut from her womb on Thursday in East St. Louis, Ill. Her three missing children were last seen with a person of interest in their mother's murder. (AP Photo/Illinois State Police Handout)
1 posted on 09/23/2006 6:31:00 PM PDT by freepatriot32
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

Mother and BABY.


2 posted on 09/23/2006 6:33:07 PM PDT by Jedidah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32
faces charges of ... intentional homicide of an unborn child

And this is different from an abortionist's actions, just how?

3 posted on 09/23/2006 6:34:07 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32
A woman was charged Saturday in the deaths of a pregnant friend and the fetus authorities believe she cut out from the slain woman's womb after knocking the victim unconscious.

Geez. With friends like these....

4 posted on 09/23/2006 6:34:30 PM PDT by StarCMC ("So what was the price to betray us - Judas?" - SGT Mark Russak to Traitor Murtha)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

Lord, please help the searchers find those other children.


5 posted on 09/23/2006 6:34:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SuziQ

Amen to that.


6 posted on 09/23/2006 6:35:25 PM PDT by StarCMC ("So what was the price to betray us - Judas?" - SGT Mark Russak to Traitor Murtha)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32
Chicago isn't the worst city in IL. That distinction goes to the crap hole known as East St. Louis.

L

7 posted on 09/23/2006 6:35:27 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

very disturbing


8 posted on 09/23/2006 6:35:30 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.” Osama Bin laden)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

I believe I just heard Fox report that the other children have also been found dead.

Hanging is just too good for some people.


9 posted on 09/23/2006 6:36:38 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (No religion demands so much of it's members and so little of itself, than islam.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lurker

"These children are from East St. Louis," said Police Chief James Mister. "They know how to survive."


interesting comment


10 posted on 09/23/2006 6:36:47 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.” Osama Bin laden)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

Roe v. Wade
Columbine and etc.
Dr. Kevorkian
Terry Schiavo
Pregnant women killed for their fetuses

What is the next step in this parade?


11 posted on 09/23/2006 6:37:02 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

ALERT: Fox News' Kimberly Guilfoyle not 5 minutes ago said the victim's 3 missing children have been found dead in a basement dryer of an East St Louis apartment. However, I cannot find the story anywhere on their website or any other website.

Prayers for this family, and for the boyfriend of Hall, who is a Navy man on leave for what he thought was the funeral of his baby.


12 posted on 09/23/2006 6:37:29 PM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

Crickets chirping from the NAACP and other black liberals.


13 posted on 09/23/2006 6:37:55 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GretchenM

Glenn Beck made this same point during the Scott Peterson case. He said he was against Scott being tried for a double murder because of the hypocrisy in the law. Although his point was a little tounge in cheek, it did make sense that we have a life which is conditional.


14 posted on 09/23/2006 6:37:55 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: RDTF

It's a ridiculous comment IMO. 7, 2 and 1....in no position to be able to survive for long at all.


15 posted on 09/23/2006 6:37:59 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (No religion demands so much of it's members and so little of itself, than islam.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: cgk

oh no - prayers for this brave man


16 posted on 09/23/2006 6:39:40 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.” Osama Bin laden)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: RDTF

He is the one who turned her in to the police. God Bless him, and I hope he can mentally handle this nightmare he has found himself in.


17 posted on 09/23/2006 6:40:38 PM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: RDTF
East St. Louis shouldn't even have a police force. I've lost count of the number of 'officers' and chiefs who have been arrested and convicted for corruption in that rathole town.

I'm normally all for local PDs but in the case of ESL the Illinois National Guard should be patrolling.

And we fine citizens of the Peoples Republik of Illinois can thank that scumbag George Ryan for throwing a monkey wrench into our Capital Punishment system.

These monsters will now be guests of the State for the rest of their lives.

I hope George Ryan dies a long, slow painful death in Marion.

L

18 posted on 09/23/2006 6:42:26 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: RDTF
Yeah, very interesting to say that of a 2 yr old and a 1 yr old.

CC&E

19 posted on 09/23/2006 6:42:36 PM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (So many comments, so little time!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Lurker

Story on Fox now.


20 posted on 09/23/2006 6:42:57 PM PDT by tsmith130
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: prairiebreeze
Hello,

Yes, local news just broke with the news that the three missing children have been found, dead. They were found in a housing project.

My heart is broken.

MOgirl
21 posted on 09/23/2006 6:43:00 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Calm_Cool_and_Elected
I wouldn't be too hard on him. I could be wrong but after he said it he probably wished he hadn't. He probably meant ...the kids were self sufficient and meant it as a slim hope in a bad situation.
22 posted on 09/23/2006 6:46:10 PM PDT by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: MOgirl

Yall have a death penalty?


23 posted on 09/23/2006 6:46:53 PM PDT by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: MOgirl

anything on the local news about a motive?


24 posted on 09/23/2006 6:48:00 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.” Osama Bin laden)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

Breaking News >> All Three Missing Children Found Dead in Illinois, FOX News Confirms


25 posted on 09/23/2006 6:48:31 PM PDT by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RDTF

Horrible thought but they probably saw what she did.


26 posted on 09/23/2006 6:49:12 PM PDT by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: GretchenM
What is the next step in this parade?

Probably this.

27 posted on 09/23/2006 6:49:24 PM PDT by MrEdd (Always look on the bright side of life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: MOgirl

The children have been found dead in a dryer in an apartment house.

Death penalty, please!


28 posted on 09/23/2006 6:50:03 PM PDT by Palladin (Benedict--the New Sobieski?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: RDTF
It sounds like a similar motive to the other mother attack case a couple days ago. A monster wants to have a baby and will kill anyone (including the mother and her children) to get one. Monster.
29 posted on 09/23/2006 6:50:16 PM PDT by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg
Hello,

MO does, but this happened in IL. I must admit that I am not sure of the current status of the death penalty in IL, any IL FReepers out there that could help out with info?

Glad to be here, MOgirl
30 posted on 09/23/2006 6:51:40 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: burzum

Except that this monster, Tiffany Hall, was the "best friend" of the girl she murdered. They went to school together, and babysat for one another.


31 posted on 09/23/2006 6:52:02 PM PDT by Palladin (Benedict--the New Sobieski?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: All
http://www.myfoxstl.com/

Three Missing Children Found Dead in East St. Louis Last Edited: Saturday, 23 Sep 2006, 8:38 PM CDT Created: Saturday, 23 Sep 2006, 8:34 PM CDT

KTVI) - Sources tell FOX 2 News the bodies of three children who have been missing from East St. Louis were found Saturday evening at a housing project.

The three children were found dead, stuffed inside a washer dryer unit at the John DeShields Housing Complex at 14th and Bond.

Police have scheduled a 9:30 news conference at the search command post.

32 posted on 09/23/2006 6:52:37 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: burzum

She (Hall) already had 2 children, which is even sadder & makes this all the more bizarre. She had previously lost them once to Social Services for child abuse, but I am unsure if at the time of the murder, if they were in her custody again or not.


33 posted on 09/23/2006 6:53:35 PM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

If anyone doubts the existance of evil in this world, I give you exhibit "A"!

Prayers for these babies.


34 posted on 09/23/2006 6:54:38 PM PDT by proudmilitarymrs (It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cgk
Oh, dear God...

Prayers for all those innocent babies, their deceased Mother, and for the poor family!

35 posted on 09/23/2006 6:55:41 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 13 Years)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: cgk
and using something like scissors... I don't know but maybe it was about something else and not the desire to have a baby but to destroy all of hers. Crazy jealousy maybe?
36 posted on 09/23/2006 6:55:41 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.” Osama Bin laden)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: RDTF
Hello,

I have not heard anything about a motive, the freak that did this only confessed to the murder of the pregnant woman and her baby yesterday. They were cousins and friends from childhood, how is that for a twist?

I think that I had convinced myself that the 3 missing kids would be found alive because I thought that she (the freak) had cut the baby from his or her mother because she wanted a child. I should have known that someone who could do such evil, could do more. Sad, so sad...an entire family has been wiped out.

MOgirl
37 posted on 09/23/2006 6:56:36 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

Tiffany Hall should be immediately released from custody...in front of city hall in St. Louis, for the public to conduct justice as they see fit.


38 posted on 09/23/2006 6:56:46 PM PDT by montag813
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32
"These children are from East St. Louis," said Police Chief James Mister. "They know how to survive."

Yes I'm sure the 2 year old has brass knuckles. What a stupid comment.

39 posted on 09/23/2006 6:57:50 PM PDT by montag813
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Palladin
Hello,

In MO she would be a STRONG candidate for the death penalty, but IL may have changed it's law about it. Didn't IL release all Death Row inmates a few back into the general population, due to the governor at the time? (If I am remembering that wrong, I am sorry, I am tired...)

Glad to be here, MOgirl
40 posted on 09/23/2006 7:00:46 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

Time For Some "Old Time" Justice!

Click the Pic J
The Jersey Lilly: Langtry Texas ....in a few short weeks it will be spring. The snows of winter will flow away, the ice will vanish, the air will become soft and balmy.

The annual miracle of the years will awaken and come to pass.
The rivulet will run its soaring course to the sea.
The timid desert flowers will put fourth their tender shoots.
The glorious valleys of this imperial domain will blossom as the rose.
From every tree top, some wild songster will carol his mating song.
Butterflies will sport in the sunshine.

But you will not be here to enjoy it. Because I command the sheriff of the county to lead you away to some remote spot, swing you by the neck from a bough of some sturdy oak and let you hang until you are Dead, Dead, Dead!
You cold-blooded, blood-thirsty, throat-cutting, murdering son of a bitch.

.....Judge Roy Bean


NB:There are several versions of Judge Roy Bean's words in this case and also who he was passing judgment upon.
41 posted on 09/23/2006 7:04:37 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MOgirl

The perp could well have been whacked out on crack or something too.


42 posted on 09/23/2006 7:05:19 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (No religion demands so much of it's members and so little of itself, than islam.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

This is awful. An entire family wiped out. For what?? Also, the victim was 23 and she had a seven year old child...??

This whole story is just beyond depressing. I feel sick to my stomach.


43 posted on 09/23/2006 7:06:17 PM PDT by USArmySpouse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: prairiebreeze

Did Fox say how the little girls died?


44 posted on 09/23/2006 7:06:20 PM PDT by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg

It was two little boys and the baby girl. I haven't heard a specific cause of death reported, just that they were found in a dryer.


45 posted on 09/23/2006 7:08:06 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (No religion demands so much of it's members and so little of itself, than islam.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: USArmySpouse

She was 16. It happens. There was a big gap then 3 babies one after another. Wonder why?


46 posted on 09/23/2006 7:08:30 PM PDT by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg

No, just that they were stuffed in a dryer. Did she kill them before she stuffed them in the dryer?

They will have to do autopsies to determine the cause of death.


47 posted on 09/23/2006 7:08:33 PM PDT by Palladin (Benedict--the New Sobieski?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: SuziQ

I hate to even think this, but did those children witness this attack? If they did, and they're still alive, they would be terrifed to show themselves.


48 posted on 09/23/2006 7:08:55 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: prairiebreeze

looks like little girls according to the pic up thread


49 posted on 09/23/2006 7:10:05 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.” Osama Bin laden)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: prairiebreeze

It wouldn't surprise me if someone that could do what she did could have killed them. I was wondering though, if the oldest might have run away with them and they got trapped hiding and suffocated .


50 posted on 09/23/2006 7:10:54 PM PDT by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-85 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson