Posted on 10/18/2006 2:45:47 PM PDT by zaxxon
Yea. If she didn't fall, why is she laying up there like that?
We're trying to crystalize the question we want to ask Brodhead when he comes here for his "lunch". So far I think we might ask:
"When did you first realize your presidency was in jeapordy, when you abandoned innocent students to a corrupt DA and mob justice or when you brought in terrorists?"
Will you ever apologize for your rush to judgment, trampling students' rights by allowing police into their dorms to question athletes protected by attorneys, or for not denouncing professors harassing student athletes in their classrooms?
He suspended Finnerty too.
She's just laying down on the porch.
She might have gotten dizzy, sat down, and passed out. She likely tried to take a step, and fell backwards, sitting down hard. Then rolled over, passed out.
If there is indeed a mark on her butt from the screen door, then she fell right where she is, and then rolled over on the porch.
The point is, she did not fall -down the steps- as widely reported early on....unless there are pictures of her on the ground that we haven't seen.
Unless we are prepared to believe that she fell down the steps and passed out on the ground, then went back up the steps later and passed out again up on the porch.
Then again, who can tell what in this cockamamie case???
Good. You've made the short list.
Can't handle it in my middle years, but I have been shitfaced to the nth degree a time or two in my life.
I can see myself sitting on the porch and then laying on the porch because it felt as if all of the earth's gravitational pull was focused on me. (Which is why I never made a good drunk-I hate that feeling)
Given that discovery is due today, and AFAIK hasn't yet been turned over, I assume there is going to be nothing favorable to Nifong in it--in fact, just the reverse; because it appears he will wait until late in the day, after the news cycle for the weekend has passed, before letting the defense have it (so if there is any news about it, it will come out over the weekend, when no one is paying attention).
Just my guess. . .
It's been Fonger's SOP.
She passed out. She is on top of the stairs, not the bottom of the stairs.
Yes, I do remember.
Kim went back to look for Crystal's "things", which may have, in her mind, included the shoe, or maybe not. Maybe Crystal DID find her shoe and forgot because she didn't put it on, or one of the boys found it while the women were finally leaving after Crystal fell or lay down on the steps, and it wound up getting put somewhere in Kim's car. If so, Kim probably threw it away when she came upon it, perhaps the next day. It's hard to say what became of the shoe, but we know the cops didn't find it at the house.
I thought I read on here last week or earlier this week about the election and the plurality rule in a side discussion a few were having about Monks, Cheek and Liefong?
Out with Brodhead, in with Coleman.
I like the way Coleman sets up his point and then makes it succinctly without a nod to politically correct euphemisms and lukewarm equivocations.
You may be right - it may have come from someone or something beyong Liefong, but..remember..the simplest explanation is more often the most accurate. In this case, when we look at all the facts we know so far, and there are a lot - enough to form some conclusions - and we ask "Quo bono?", the answer is Liefong. Liefong benefits, or he did, anyway, in a manner expedient for his needs at the time which was to win a plurality of one-party votes in the primary. Remember, at the time, there was no candidate from an opposing party against which he had to mount a campaign so a win then, was a final win assuring him of keeping office, or so he thought then.
It amuses me that Brodhead can't make a point in less than 5000 words if that many. The Brodhead apologists have the same disease on the other forums. He had a long long article, his commencement speech, in the last Duke Magazine that could have been reduced to "try new things". What made it even more amusing was that most of the new things he suggested doing were focused on Durham. Durham obviously has such a soft spot for Duke students and Duke students, I'm sure, now have a soft spot for Durham. He wants them to work with the underpriviledged kids--laudable on its face, but can you imagine what kind of accusations that would open these students to in this climate? I hope LB gets a word in at the Duke Forum today.
Well, I think when people say she "fell down the steps", they mean she fell ON the steps, And when they say a photo shows her laying on the ground, they really mean "outside", as opposed to inside the house on the floor.
I still don't think she just sat down. Perhaps she spilled the stuff out of her purse and was bending over to pick it up, lost her balance/got dizzy from a bent-over position, and then just "let go" and fell the rest of the way. There's one photo showing her prone, on her side, with her legs sort of draped down the steps. It may be that at that point she extended her legs prepatory to trying to get up.
Yep Occum Razor give the answer. Durham may be corrupt. That is up to Durhmites in my view. It is their job to make their city not corrupt.
This case is of broader interst for two reasons:
1. They are picking on outsiders. That is they are taking their corruption to Americans only temporarily in their city. Allowing this type of thing to go on is a threat to any American who must travel to conduct business. There is a long tradition of standing up against exactly this type of case where a local official, using innocent outsiders with NOBODY in the community to stand up for them, to gain political advantage.
2. There is a racial angle. These defendants are being singled out because of their race. The is a less long tradition for Americans not standing for that but it is a strong American tradition.
Without these two characteristics, there would be far less interest in this case. Whether Durham is more or less corrupt than other places is not that interesting to me. As long as they just pillory each other and leave the rest of us alone, it is up to Durhmite and NC voters to decide if they want their criminal justice system to be corrupt and to lock up their fellow citizen in what amounts to a DA dominated lottery.
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