"In all good time!"
Posted on 11/06/2006 8:04:56 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
Microsoft has announced a partnership with Novell and will help promote Linux.
This is stunning. This is like Red Sox fans announcing they're going to root for the Yankees.
Microsoft has spent ten years bashing the free-of-charge open-source Linux operating system and trying to kill it. Now Microsoft is making nice.
(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...
Can we now look forward to security attacks aimed at Linux, and a gazillion monthly security updates?
If microsoft starts coding for linux, then it's very possible.
But for right now it's just promotion.
ping
"In all good time!"
I don't know their aims but it could be good news. Excellent infrastructure around a good conservative (no pan) kernel would be welcome. And it would give Sun something to think about.
Whatever they are I hope the whole upshot of this move is that programs that run on Windows will now be ported to Linux.
The same as always, to get paid for their intellectual property, instead of giving it away for free like leftist Richard Stallman wants. In this case, Novell has agreed to pay them patent royalties for Linux, while MS tries to sell Novell Linux to their customers. Might not work for Novell though, since most existing Linux users have an unending hatred of Microsoft, and would apparently rather just download stuff from DVD Jon in Amsterdam than worry about properly paying for their IP. Still, there may be enough new interest in Novell to make up for it, only time will tell.
We Linux users, of SUSE and other distributions, are properly paying.
I'd spell it out in more detail, but I've seen your posts here before. No sense wasting my precious keystrokes.
No, a lie is claiming that most users of Fedora and Ubuntu Linux, the 2 most popular distributions, are paying to use legal MP3 and DVD players with their Linux. They don't ship with one, I doubt most could even tell you how to actually do it legally. Here's an article that admits it, since you refuse to.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,124519-page,1/article.html
To stay out of court and use the money to try and innovate.
Winux XP
Not likey. There was some Linux coding done to ship the Virtual Server R2 Linux additions, but that's pretty much been doled out to Xen.
What are your thoughts on this? What's the catch?
If that is the case then this could get real interesting.
^^^^^^^^^^^^instead of giving it away for free like leftist Richard Stallman wants.^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How about like pragmatic Linus Torvalds wants?
>>This is stunning. This is like Red Sox fans announcing they're going to root for the Yankees.<<
It really feels more like the Yankees paying off a minor league Boston team to make sure the Red Sox are no longer a threat.
It's possible that this is the first step in merging OS types so that we'll eventually get everyone working on variations on only one OS--kinda like how Linux and the BSDs are related.
These are just musings, though. I'll be watching this with some interest, anyway.
You know......... I have to ask.........
Well, let me ask this first. Can you directly answer this question or will you give some answer deserving of a liberal politican or the NYT?
In your opinion, who is furthest to the left?
A. Linus Torvalds.
B. Bill Gates.
C. Steve Jobs.
There is no answer D, those are the only three choices. Nobody is arguing that Stallman is sane.
$100.00 Linux, oh boy!
Same here. Thanks for keeping us updated!
if you can't beat em, join em.
I think the smartest thing that MS has done recently is to make free their virtual machine. Let's you enjoy the best of both worlds.
Users of Microsoft software would never be so criminal. But users and developers of open source software are all a bunch of Stallman-esque Communist Criminal Thieves.
Guess I'll be rottin' in 'ell.
And I don't even use any of these Codecs on Linux - just on my Windows systems. And I've freely given of my time and talents in far greater value to Open Source software than I've ever paid legally purchasing the proprietary software that I use. And to the best of my knowledge, I have purchased a legal license to all the proprietary software that I possess.
It's no use. I've fallen in with a bunch of Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves.
Hmmm ... if Microsoft users are so damn honest, how come Microsoft spends so much money trying to minimize theft of their product?
You may not impose any further restrictions on the rights granted by the GPL.But going up against Microsoft lawyers on this matter would be much harder than going up against SCO lawyers.
It's classic Microsoft (what's the phrase commonly used?) embracing and suffocating of competition.
I might add: Ripping off someone else's work, selling it as your own, or giving it away to drive them out of business.
The same as always, to get paid for their intellectual property^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Uh huh. Anybody who's followed MS' history knows there's more to it than that. SJVN asks the obvious question.
I can't think of a single software company that has ever done well in an alliance with Microsoft. Can you?
Now, I'm sure there's a handful who have. But let's compare the short list vs the long list. SJVN is dead on.
Businesses are the target purchasers, not home computer users.
Businesses are driven much more by the bottom line than by pet juvenile prejudices. Businesses have said they want interoperability between linux and Microsoft applications. That's what this partnership is intended to do.
It's part of the necessary maturing of linux as it becomes an established long-term player in the business market. Microsoft tried but couldn't kill linux. Novell has the best and most comprehensive intellectual property portfolio related to linux (and Unix)--something Red Hat lacks. It only makes sense for Microsoft to strike a posture of detente vis a vis linux through Novell.
That said, Microsoft is demonstrably predatory and Novell will have to keep one eye on it all the time.
Final note: yes, Novell is paying royalties to Microsoft. But Microsoft is also paying royalties to Novell. The royalties pretty much offset each other; Novell may be slightly ahead.
It is stuning...
OTOH with the exception of one laptop running SLED, I no longer run Suse...
Still, it's sad to see a good distro die a slow painful death...
Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish™.
I didn't say "all", I said twice that "most" Linux users don't pay for their use of well-known patented technology, such as DVD and MP3 players. If you're one of the few that respects property of that sort, and either don't use it or pay for using it, then that is commendable and speaks highly of your character. I wish there were more out there like you, but unfortunately most just download some free hack from Amsterdam instead. What ARE the options for loading legal DVD/MP3 players on Linux, and how much do they cost? Thanks.
Enlarging your fonts isn't necessary. Obviously Novell wouldn't have done this unless they thought it was necessary. But, unfortunately for them, Linux hasn't helped their bottom line really at all despite their hope to somehow make big money off "free" software. This is their admission that business plan doesn't really work, except perhaps for one dominant company, like Red Hat, which may not make it now either since Oracle is making free copies of their work and cutting in on their already puny support dollars.
Novell is going to try to "Appleize" Linux, and include lots of proprietary code in there to distinguish themselves from all the cloners and hopefully earn a license fee for each copy. Will it work? Who knows, but it's the smartest thing anyone has tried yet. Unless you think the leftist utopian dream of all software being free is somehow smart.
Agreed, but they are likely going to lose a lot of their anti-Microsoft users who liked Novell simply because they saw it as an antithesis to SCO, but now see Novell as acting like SCO. the lady at Jokelaw said this deal made her want to "throw up", and her site is loaded with others who feel the same.
It's part of the necessary maturing of linux as it becomes an established long-term player in the business market.
Yes, one version of Linux may finally be earning some respectability, by recognizing the existing laws of business, instead of constantly trying to break them like has always been the goal of the free software radicals like Stallman.
Novell is paying royalties to Microsoft. But Microsoft is also paying royalties to Novell. The royalties pretty much offset each other; Novell may be slightly ahead.
That's not my understanding of the deal. Novell is paying royalties to Microsoft for each copy of Linux sold, while Microsoft is only agreeing to buy ~75K copies per year, of which they may even get their royalty. Microsoft may have even paid that full amount for those licenses up front, which is probably why cash-strapped Novell did the deal in the first place, we'll see when the details are released to the SEC later this week. It will take more time to tell if it was a smart move for either, but I don't think it will be unless they figure out a way to get Stallman's loons kicked out of Linux completely, which won't be easy, but this is a step in that direction.
Watch for 'extensions' that make it proprietary.
And in the bigger picture, watch for standardization of a new hybrid that will work for globalists.
Don't forget, Microsoft agreed to pay royalties to Novell. IOW, Microsoft's products are likely as infringing.
Might not work for Novell though, since most existing Linux users have an unending hatred of Microsoft,
This is mainly about business users, not fringe open source people who are as philosophical about their software as you are.
and would apparently rather just download stuff from DVD Jon in Amsterdam
You have your usual level of knowledge of the subject, but three strikes in one sentence is a first. First, Amsterdam is not in Norway, which is where DVD Jon is from. Second, DVD Jon lives in America now. Third, DVD Jon is now working on proprietary iTunes/iPod interoperability software.
Source?
He has been fully paid millions of dollars in value.
Novell. It's a mutual patent covenant with monies flowing both ways.
Is compensation only in cash? How many millions of dollars worth of programming-hours are now in Linux?
Coming from a communist upbringing though, he may not care.
Nice shot at libel again. We've smacked that down so many times, yet you persist.
Money is flowing both ways. Microsoft is paying money to Novell as part of this deal, that includes the patent covenant. And as you seem not to be able to grasp, the covenant includes Novell not suing Microsoft or its customers over infringed patents.
In any case, the only reason I'm not too sure of this deal is that Novell historically likes to shoot itself in the foot. Even if the deal is sweet, the fact that Novell is involved makes it suspect.
With Apple's blessing, or is he trying to hack it? Since you're here defending it, I would almost certainly be sure he is trying to hack it, since defending hackers, including with lies you've outright admitted to about where hackers are from and now living including with lies you've admitted to about where hackers are from and now living, is what you're all about.
I know, but only for licenses of Linux, which you disagreed with and insisted it was a patent royalty, which was obviously just another one of your lies since you can't back up your claim and are getting all weaselly again.
You're now trying to claim Linus Torvald's dad wasn't a noted Communist that studied in Moscow? When have you ever shot that down? All you've ever done is come up with one quote that Linus was embarrased for all the ridicule they received, which obviously doesn't deny the fact he was raised by communists.
I know about the Linux licenses, but I am wondering whether their payment is part patent royalty. I may be wrong, but I'll have to wait until we can actually see the whole terms of the deal. However, you are distracting from the point -- you always claim Linux infringes, but here Novell is promising not to sue over infringements in Windows.
All large software infringes on some patent. Even "Hello World" probably infringes.
He's trying to hack it for interoperability, which is legal. His aim is for other companies to provide FairPlay-protected content to iPod owners without having to go through Apple. You seem to think hacking is a bad thing. Why?
including with lies you've outright admitted to about where hackers are from and now living
You mean the test of your knowledge? Yes, you failed that.
Just admit it, you didn't know where DVD Jon is from, or didn't know your geography, and thought that he was an open source only nut. Admitting you were wrong is fine. Keep it up and it becomes a lie.
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