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VANITY: Rudy Guliani...a Clinton Liberal

Posted on 11/13/2006 8:11:31 PM PST by Old_Mil

Rudy Guiliani has marched in lockstep with liberals on affirmative action, gay rights, gay marriage, gun control, school prayer, tuition tax credits, liberal immigration policies, and he's reinforced it, time and time again. Just about everytime Rudy opens his mouth, offensive liberal words come pouring out. As Mayor, Rudy put liberals in high-paid city jobs, an indication what a Rudy WH would look like. Here then is Rudy in his own words:

--The New York State Liberal Party on its endorsement of Rudy Giuliani for Mayor: "When the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion." N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of Candidate Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

--On the Republican Party: "Mr. Rockefeller represented 'a tradition in the Republican Party' I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." Rudy Giuliani told the New York Times July 9, 1992

--Village Voice Interview with Guiliani: He was asked: "What kind of Republican Is [Giuliani]? A Reagan Republican?" Giuliani pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." Village Voice January 24, 1989

--On Attending 1996 Republican Convention: Rudy expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention." said Rudy. Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Page 459, by Wayne Barrett

--On Barry Goldwater: Giuliani described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant. Barry Goldwater as an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man." New York Daily News, May 13, 1997

--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--The Daily News quoted Giuliani as saying March 1996: "Whether you talk about President Clinon, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group." An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, Rudy said: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett, Page 459

---Rudy Giuliani Endorses Democratic Governor Mario Cuomo October 1994: "From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, ˜Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo." Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City book by Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133

--Reaction to Giuliani Endorsement of Cuomo: "Once again, Rudolph Giuliani has demonstrated that liberalism is the foundation of his political philosophy. While Giuliani sold a bill of goods to trusting Republicans and Reagan Democrats that he had abandoned his roots as a McGovern Democrat, in his endorsement of Mario Cuomo, Mr. Liberal himself, he has shown his true colors. Giuliani's argument that Cuomo will be better for the city has a hollow ring to it. Perhaps Rudy wants a governor who will sign over a blank check to constantly bail out the city from its fiscal problems. Giuliani knows, as do all New Yorkers, that Cuomo's liberal policies have been an economic disaster for our city and state." "But Rudy doesn't care. He has proven he will do anything to stop the election of a conservative Republican - but he won't succeed." Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party Press Statement, October 25, 1994

--"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party." Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party, CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994

--On Gay Domestic-Partner Rights: "National Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, "Mayor Giuliani said yesterday. "I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said. The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples. "I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country." New York Daily News, May 13, 1998

--On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993

--Now Rudy Giuliani has jumped on the bandwagon, pressing the state Republican Party to release a gay-rights bill to the Senate floor for a vote. Marching in Sunday's [Gay Pride] parade, he has enlisted in the struggle to destroy the family. What a perfectly abominable springboard to seek high political office. Ray Kerrison New York Post, June 30, 1993

--Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989

--On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992

--On Abortion: Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.

--Rudy Guiliani on abortion: "I'd give my daughter the money for it [an abortion]."

--"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989

--As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989

--On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998

--On School Choice: "He doesn't support tuition tax credits and vouchers." Sandra Feldman, President of N.Y.C. Teacher's Union, 1993

--On Taxes: [Giuliani] says ruling out a tax increase is "political pandering." Newsday, August 31, 1989


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...It's important that this information is out there. Rudy Guliani is a Clinton liberal and frankly would be no better than the Hildebeest as President. The above material lets you know why.

There are some who have said that you as a conservative should have known what you were voting on the immigration issue for when you cast a vote for GW Bush.

Well, the above information makes it impossible to cast an uninformed one for Rudy. He's a liberal. If you vote for him - either in the primaries or the general election - you are too.

1 posted on 11/13/2006 8:11:33 PM PST by Old_Mil
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To: Old_Mil
Rudy Guliani is a Clinton liberal and frankly would be no better than the Hildebeest as President.

He'd be a little better.

2 posted on 11/13/2006 8:12:33 PM PST by jdm
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To: Old_Mil
Go piss up a rope.

I do not support Rudy as the GOP nominee in 2008. However, he, at the end of the day, has been tireless in support of national defense, the war against Islamist terrorism, and also worked long and hard to help elect pubbies in the last election. So you can take your Clintonian comparison and stick 'em where your head was a few minutes ago.

3 posted on 11/13/2006 8:13:36 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: dirtboy
Well, the first RINO has showed up on the thread. Rudy is a globalist. This means that he will pursue globalist foreign policy solutions. Hillary is a globalist, and she will do the same.

Neither party is actually going to surrender to the Muslims. With either Rudy or Hillary driving, we end up at the same destination.
4 posted on 11/13/2006 8:15:35 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil
Rudy == Rockefeller-style Republican.

It's that type of Republican that lost the election.

5 posted on 11/13/2006 8:16:24 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: dirtboy
Go piss up a rope.

Speaking of which....

If Rudy does the same thing with the entire U.S. homeless that he did with NYC's, maybe I can go down the city streets without seeing urine-stained buildings. My local library would also cease to be the local flop house.

6 posted on 11/13/2006 8:18:33 PM PST by spall
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To: Old_Mil
Well, the first RINO has showed up on the thread.

Call me a RINO to my face, jerk.

Like I said, I don't want Rudy to be the nominee. But he's done a lot more for the GOP the last election that you have done in your sorry lifetime.

7 posted on 11/13/2006 8:19:16 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: dirtboy

I just did.


8 posted on 11/13/2006 8:19:31 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil
Ah, a Constitution Party type, eh?

Y'all are opposed to the Iraq War. Like the moonbats I protested Saturday in Philly. It can get hard to tell you apart from them in that regard.

9 posted on 11/13/2006 8:21:28 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: dirtboy

If you don't want Rudy to be the nominee, get with the program and oppose that nomination. However, from the sound of things, you're more upset that the truth is being told about a candidate you like.


10 posted on 11/13/2006 8:21:41 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil
I just did.

From the safety of your keyboard, big man. Takes no cajones to do that.

Now, what does your wonderous Constitution Party say about the Iraq War?

11 posted on 11/13/2006 8:22:35 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Old_Mil
If you don't want Rudy to be the nominee, get with the program and oppose that nomination.

I see you have serious reading comprehension problems. I said I oppose his nomination for Prez in 2008.

However, I also oppose idiots like you comparing him to the Clintons, who never miss an opportunity to bash national security. Capice?

On second thought, I doubt you do.

12 posted on 11/13/2006 8:24:11 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Old_Mil

How convenient for you, to have this information compiled and waiting to be posted.


13 posted on 11/13/2006 8:24:51 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: unsycophant

Indeed. Now, can you refute it?

All the Rudyites are coming out tonight.


15 posted on 11/13/2006 8:25:24 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil
If it were to be about Iraq, there are plenty of reasons to oppose a politically correct police action

Tell that to the soldiers who have done a great job over there. And the ones ready to go in their place - men I met this weekend. As you, dipweed, downplay them as being Salvation Army types.

You are exhibit A why the Constituion Party is a bunch of losers. And wankers at that.

16 posted on 11/13/2006 8:26:55 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Old_Mil
All the Rudyites are coming out tonight.

I'm not a Rudyite. My posting history backs that up.

But you're just a gnat on his backside. You offer nothing in a national security debate, other than acting like Iraq is a job for the Salvation Army. Sorry, but Rudy is far better than your claptrap, as flawed as he is. At least he gets the bigger picture.

17 posted on 11/13/2006 8:29:06 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: dirtboy
Tell that to the soldiers who have done a great job over there. And the ones ready to go in their place - men I met this weekend. As you, dipweed, downplay them as being Salvation Army types.

Another reading comprehension problem.
18 posted on 11/13/2006 8:30:38 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: dirtboy
What I offer in the national security debate:

Ban all immigration from Islamic nations. We have been letting 100,000 Muslims into the US legally every year since 9/11.

Build a wall (not a fence, not a virtual fence, not a string of webcams) on the southern border to prevent terrorists (and illegal aliens) from sneaking into this country.

Strike Iran before they get a nuke and strike us.

Think Rudy's going to go for any of that?
19 posted on 11/13/2006 8:32:51 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil
Another reading comprehension problem.

Hardly. Those were your own words. Care to dig your hole deeper?

Your party is a dead end. Deal with it.

20 posted on 11/13/2006 8:32:59 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Old_Mil
Think Rudy's going to go for any of that?

Once again, please show me where I have said I want Rudy to be president.

I have not.

So now you are attacking me for something I have not said.

Whereas I am ripping into your sorry arse for what you have said - comparing Rudy to the Clintons. There is no comparison - Rudy, for all his flaws, understands national defense far better than the sorry-assed Constitution Party does, which is more concerned about the process for declaring war than understanding that we ARE AT WAR.

21 posted on 11/13/2006 8:34:54 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Old_Mil

I could care less about refuting anything.

Find a party instead of the GOP that will put candidates up that meet your criteria and stop with the crybaby behavior.


22 posted on 11/13/2006 8:35:13 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: dirtboy
Hardly. Those were your own words. Care to dig your hole deeper?

Your party is a dead end. Deal with it.


The original post stated that having the US Army do a job suited for the Salvation Army was bad policy. Somehow, you took from that a comparison between soldiers and members of the salvation army which made them equal. Try reading it again. As far as the Constitution Party, you RINOS nominate Rudy and we'll see how much of the dead end it is.
23 posted on 11/13/2006 8:37:35 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: unsycophant
I could care less about refuting anything.

Find a party instead of the GOP that will put candidates up that meet your criteria and stop with the crybaby behavior.


That's what I figured.
24 posted on 11/13/2006 8:38:28 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil
While I will certainly agree that Rudy is WAY too liberal to be the republican candidate, i feel he would be infinitely better than hillary. Still no conservative, though.
25 posted on 11/13/2006 8:38:37 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance
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To: Old_Mil
The original post stated that having the US Army do a job suited for the Salvation Army was bad policy.

Your own words. Maybe Hitler could have been done in by enough folks from Goodwill. And Tojo with enough Red Cross volunteers.

Any other idiocy you wish to spew on your own vomit vanity?

26 posted on 11/13/2006 8:39:01 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: dirtboy
Whereas I am ripping into your sorry arse for what you have said - comparing Rudy to the Clintons. There is no comparison - Rudy, for all his flaws, understands national defense far better than the sorry-assed Constitution Party does, which is more concerned about the process for declaring war than understanding that we ARE AT WAR.

Another unsubstantiated claim. What, exactly, has Rudy done for national defense?
27 posted on 11/13/2006 8:39:17 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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Another unsubstantiated claim. What, exactly, has Rudy done for national defense?

You are truly an idiot. Rudy has been quite supportive of our war efforts. Whereas your party has sought to undermine such consistently.

28 posted on 11/13/2006 8:40:52 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Old_Mil

It's your kind of crap that got us where we are today.

Should I post the pic of the guy who photoshops his teeth?


29 posted on 11/13/2006 8:42:11 PM PST by AmishDude (Libertarians didn't lose it for us. They're losers who work against what they claim to want.)
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To: Old_Mil

Who cares what you think? You're an admitted Constipation partyite. You've abandoned your seat at the table voluntarily, so you don't get a say in the GOP primary. Go nominate your own candidate.


30 posted on 11/13/2006 8:43:34 PM PST by AmishDude (Libertarians didn't lose it for us. They're losers who work against what they claim to want.)
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To: dirtboy

Specifically, what has Rudy done for our war efforts?


31 posted on 11/13/2006 8:43:46 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: AmishDude
That's the kicker. Rudy is my next-to-last choice for the GOP nominee in 2008 (after McVain).

But I also can see his good points. Unlike this wanker, who is content with .5 percent.

32 posted on 11/13/2006 8:43:48 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: AmishDude

So be it. If you guys don't want conservatives at the table, you shall not have them.


33 posted on 11/13/2006 8:44:17 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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You're an admitted Constipation partyite.

Yeah, it's a kick in the head for him to call Rudy a RINO when he's not even in the GOP.

34 posted on 11/13/2006 8:44:50 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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Specifically, what has Rudy done for our war efforts?

Your party doesn't even support the Iraq War. So what grounds do you have to even ask that question? It would be like the Clintons challenging reformers about ethics.

35 posted on 11/13/2006 8:46:09 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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What, exactly, has Rudy done for national defense?

On 9-11, Giuliani was still fighting to keep the Big Apple as a sanctuary city for illegal aliens such as those who were piloting the hijacked planes. He was even willing to defy Congress and the law to do so.

The claims that somehow the guy is strong on defense is like saying that Clinton, the guy who sold our missile targeting secrets to the communist Chinese, was strong on defense because he shot a cruise missile into an empty tent in Afghanistan.

Actually, Giuliani's defense credentials are even worse than Clinton's. All he's got is hot air and empty words on the issue.

36 posted on 11/13/2006 8:48:11 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance; dirtboy
That's what I figured. But dirtboy is so concerned about trying to call out anyone who makes the obvious case that Rudy is a flaming liberal that he can't see the forest for the trees.

At any rate, the evidence is there for people to see. If they act like idiots, nominate, and elect him nobody but they will be responsible for the consequences.
37 posted on 11/13/2006 8:49:57 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil

Yep.


38 posted on 11/13/2006 8:52:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Old_Mil

You left the table. Quit coming back begging for leftovers.


39 posted on 11/13/2006 8:53:35 PM PST by AmishDude (Libertarians didn't lose it for us. They're losers who work against what they claim to want.)
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To: Old_Mil
But dirtboy is so concerned about trying to call out anyone who makes the obvious case that Rudy is a flaming liberal

Please show me where I said otherwise.

You can't, dipweed. Like I said, I don't want him as the nominee. But comparing him to the Clintons is idiotic. Almost as idiotic as your party's platform regarding the Iraq Salvation Army War.

40 posted on 11/13/2006 8:54:01 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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To: Old_Mil

I'll go further, if W. lets the liberals bulldoze him into signing everything likely to be on their wish list, I'm finished with what the GOP has become. I fully expect a bunch of backroom tradeoffs, and the loss of much of the ground we've gained.
I'm a conservative, no more voting for pretenders!


41 posted on 11/13/2006 9:00:58 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: Old_Mil

Why don't you post your vanity during the 2008 primaries? Look, I'm not too big on Rudy either, but the man deserves a primary hearing. It's way too early to start fussing over 2008 and handwringing over who should be President. Enough! Just let events play out as they should and state your case then. Doing it now is ridiculous. Some of you guys clearly need a vacation.


42 posted on 11/13/2006 9:03:22 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Old_Mil

BTW, the Constitution Party is a joke. Even the Libertarian Party is bigger ROFL


43 posted on 11/13/2006 9:06:28 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: dirtboy

BTTT


44 posted on 11/13/2006 9:06:42 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Old_Mil
You're a dumbass.


45 posted on 11/13/2006 9:09:31 PM PST by Chunga (Conservatives Don't Let Democrats Win Elections. They Vote Republican.)
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To: Old_Mil
Gun control

Guns were already banned in NYC years before Rudy took office. Besides, Rudy cracked down on the gang-banging felons toting guns.

Gay marriage

NYC is a very liberal, diverse, tolerant city. It isn't Peoria. There are lots of homosexuals in NYC. It would be un-New York like to disparage them. It is what it is and no conservative is going to change the city.

Affirmative action

I don't recall Rudy ever speaking out in favor of affirmative action

School prayer

This is a local issue not a national one.

46 posted on 11/13/2006 9:13:57 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Some of you guys clearly need a vacation."



I agree- wish everyone would stop and take a deep breathe.

Of course I would prefer a true conservative to win our nomination. But if the rest of the country doesn't understand what that means because they don't follow politics like I do, and they go for Guliani, I will support him whole heartedly. At least he will try to prevent another terrorist attack. He was there, he knows the stakes.



47 posted on 11/13/2006 9:16:35 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

I used to carp on Rudy too. But then I realized how ridiculous and petty I sounded. The 2008 elections are light-years away. Why should I worry about something I have no control over other than to cast my vote?


48 posted on 11/13/2006 9:20:57 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Old_Mil

Rudy is no conservative. Rudy is a liberal to his political core.

49 posted on 11/13/2006 9:51:50 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Old_Mil
Do not forget that Rudy is on CSPAN tape screaming worse than Dean about Florida gun shops selling legal weapons.

Plus can you trust any person elected from the states that give the Senate such "great" people as scummer and hitlery.
Same goes for romney J Fing Kerry and SS Oldsmobile!
50 posted on 11/13/2006 9:53:06 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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