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VANITY: Rudy Guliani...a Clinton Liberal

Posted on 11/13/2006 8:11:31 PM PST by Old_Mil

Rudy Guiliani has marched in lockstep with liberals on affirmative action, gay rights, gay marriage, gun control, school prayer, tuition tax credits, liberal immigration policies, and he's reinforced it, time and time again. Just about everytime Rudy opens his mouth, offensive liberal words come pouring out. As Mayor, Rudy put liberals in high-paid city jobs, an indication what a Rudy WH would look like. Here then is Rudy in his own words:

--The New York State Liberal Party on its endorsement of Rudy Giuliani for Mayor: "When the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion." N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of Candidate Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

--On the Republican Party: "Mr. Rockefeller represented 'a tradition in the Republican Party' I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." Rudy Giuliani told the New York Times July 9, 1992

--Village Voice Interview with Guiliani: He was asked: "What kind of Republican Is [Giuliani]? A Reagan Republican?" Giuliani pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." Village Voice January 24, 1989

--On Attending 1996 Republican Convention: Rudy expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention." said Rudy. Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Page 459, by Wayne Barrett

--On Barry Goldwater: Giuliani described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant. Barry Goldwater as an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man." New York Daily News, May 13, 1997

--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--The Daily News quoted Giuliani as saying March 1996: "Whether you talk about President Clinon, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group." An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, Rudy said: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett, Page 459

---Rudy Giuliani Endorses Democratic Governor Mario Cuomo October 1994: "From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, ˜Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo." Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City book by Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133

--Reaction to Giuliani Endorsement of Cuomo: "Once again, Rudolph Giuliani has demonstrated that liberalism is the foundation of his political philosophy. While Giuliani sold a bill of goods to trusting Republicans and Reagan Democrats that he had abandoned his roots as a McGovern Democrat, in his endorsement of Mario Cuomo, Mr. Liberal himself, he has shown his true colors. Giuliani's argument that Cuomo will be better for the city has a hollow ring to it. Perhaps Rudy wants a governor who will sign over a blank check to constantly bail out the city from its fiscal problems. Giuliani knows, as do all New Yorkers, that Cuomo's liberal policies have been an economic disaster for our city and state." "But Rudy doesn't care. He has proven he will do anything to stop the election of a conservative Republican - but he won't succeed." Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party Press Statement, October 25, 1994

--"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party." Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party, CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994

--On Gay Domestic-Partner Rights: "National Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, "Mayor Giuliani said yesterday. "I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said. The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples. "I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country." New York Daily News, May 13, 1998

--On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993

--Now Rudy Giuliani has jumped on the bandwagon, pressing the state Republican Party to release a gay-rights bill to the Senate floor for a vote. Marching in Sunday's [Gay Pride] parade, he has enlisted in the struggle to destroy the family. What a perfectly abominable springboard to seek high political office. Ray Kerrison New York Post, June 30, 1993

--Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989

--On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992

--On Abortion: Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.

--Rudy Guiliani on abortion: "I'd give my daughter the money for it [an abortion]."

--"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989

--As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989

--On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998

--On School Choice: "He doesn't support tuition tax credits and vouchers." Sandra Feldman, President of N.Y.C. Teacher's Union, 1993

--On Taxes: [Giuliani] says ruling out a tax increase is "political pandering." Newsday, August 31, 1989


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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Don't forget that Rudy said that if his daughter wanted to kill his grandchild he'd give her the money to get it done.


51 posted on 11/13/2006 9:55:55 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: Old_Mil
...It's important that this information is out there. Rudy Guliani is a Clinton liberal and frankly would be no better than the Hildebeest as President.

He'd be a whole lot better than McKook.

52 posted on 11/13/2006 10:24:42 PM PST by freespirited (The MSM is the root of all evil.)
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To: TommyDale; Liz

Ping


53 posted on 11/13/2006 10:44:16 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Old_Mil
>> Well, the above information makes it impossible to cast an uninformed one for Rudy.

It's completely valid to surface his record; however, the Clinton association doesn't cut it. He turned NYC around at a very low point in it's history; something that's hard to envision a liberal pulling off. Giuliani prosecuted cases involving serious fellows, and also indicted Marc Rich who, oddly enough, was later pardoned by Bill Clinton.

As the article points out, he's certainly not the Conservative many of us are hoping for.
54 posted on 11/13/2006 11:12:34 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: AmishDude
Constipation partyite.

In all flame wars, I've never heard that one before...

55 posted on 11/14/2006 12:25:02 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Gene Eric

NYC is NYC, you couldn't pay most of us enough to live there, to Hell with what Rudy did there, please keep him there!
The world I live in bears so little resemblence to NYC that we might as well be on different planets, and I prefer it that way.


56 posted on 11/14/2006 12:27:49 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: Old_Mil

I don't care what names I get called, but so far HE is who I'm voting for in the Primaries unless Barbour or someone else gets in.


57 posted on 11/14/2006 1:31:01 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: freespirited
He'd be a whole lot better than McKook.

This is a very serious question. On a whole host of issues, McCain is far more conservative than Guiliani, but I have to agree. McCain's a very dangerous person who would explode under the kind of media barrage that a president is subject to.

I'm not fond of Guiliani, I don't think he'd expend any capital for constitutionalist judges (I think he'd rather find common-sense, wise jurists...like himself) and despite his fondness for the social left, it's not that he'd be a activist leftist, but he wouldn't fight any of the wacky new ideas that they come up with.

That being said, McCrazy is just dangerous.

58 posted on 11/14/2006 5:47:46 AM PST by AmishDude (Libertarians didn't lose it for us. They're losers who work against what they claim to want.)
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To: MotleyGirl70; Liz

Thanks for the ping, MotleyGirl70!


59 posted on 11/14/2006 5:53:26 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
NYC is a very liberal, diverse, tolerant city. It isn't Peoria. There are lots of homosexuals in NYC. It would be un-New York like to disparage them. It is what it is and no conservative is going to change the city.

I had two cousins where moved to NY City. No one here knew either were gay. That is why they moved there so they could openly practice their "gayness." Both came home in body bags, dead from AIDS. Yup, NY City is great. I visited there once coming back from a tour in Germany. You can have it. It is a dump in my opinion.

60 posted on 11/14/2006 5:53:59 AM PST by RetiredArmy (A second civil war is coming to the USA. It will be worse than the first.)
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To: dirtboy
"However, I also oppose idiots like you comparing him to the Clintons, who never miss an opportunity to bash national security."

National Security is going to be protected by our Pentagon and military no matter who the Commander-In-Chief might be. Rudy Giuliani is rejected by most informed conservatives when they find out his positions on abortion, partial-birth abortion, gun confiscation, amnesty for illegal immigrant invaders and other issues.

61 posted on 11/14/2006 5:58:09 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
The world I live in bears so little resemblence to NYC that we might as well be on different planets, and I prefer it that way.

Same here. Rudy is just a big city yankee with no concept of rural values or lifestyle.

"I do not think the government should cut off the right to bear arms. My position for many years has been that just as a motorist must have a license, a gun owner should be required to have one as well. Anyone wanting to own a gun should have to pass a written exam that shows that they know how to use a gun, that they're intelligent enough and responsible enough to handle a gun. Should both handgun and rifle owners be licensed...we're talking about all dangerous weapons."
Rudy Giuliani

62 posted on 11/14/2006 6:58:30 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Thanks for the ping.


63 posted on 11/14/2006 7:12:53 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: AmishDude
That being said, McCrazy is just dangerous.

My sentiments exactly. It speaks volumes about the man that despite his fairly high ACU rating most of us would clearly prefer Rudy who we all agree is an outright liberal.

64 posted on 11/14/2006 7:15:36 AM PST by freespirited (The MSM is the root of all evil.)
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To: TommyDale
National Security is going to be protected by our Pentagon and military no matter who the Commander-In-Chief might be.

Oh no no no no no no. Do not delude yourself into thinking that. If they are not deployed or funded, they will not do any such thing. And the military cannot take action inside the borders.

That kind of thinking is going to get us killed.

65 posted on 11/14/2006 7:29:45 AM PST by AmishDude (Libertarians didn't lose it for us. They're losers who work against what they claim to want.)
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To: cowboyway

"I do not think the government should cut off the right to bear arms".



Here is the obvious misunderstanding of how America was designed. The idiot, and he is not alone, actually believes that "the government" was intended to have that power. Well, maybe they do, but only by conquest!



"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other
terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the
unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state
governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the
people."
-- Tench Coxe
(1755-1824)


66 posted on 11/14/2006 9:05:54 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
The idiot, and he is not alone, actually believes that "the government" was intended to have that power.

That is the sad state that we have come to.

People are just ignorant of US history. Several of the Founders were proponents of a nation-state government (basically what we have today) but were overruled by the majority of the delegates at the 1787 Convention.

The Declaration of Independence states " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...."

Most of the delegates were devout Christians and intended the US to be run as a Christian nation and that the rights in the Constitution were God given; not man given.

The secular movement has clouded our nations history because of their perverse hatred of Christianity.

The secularist point to 'separation of church and state' as if the Constitution defines such. And people nod their heads in agreement because they're ignorant of history.

Jefferson's 'wall of separation between church and state' was a line in a letter written to some churchmen in Connecticut. Jefferson wasn't even a delegate at the Convention of 1787.

The First Amendment simply states that, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

And now with the dems on the verge of power we'll see the secular nation-state become more powerful and the secular dem congress resume their destruction of the Constitution.

67 posted on 11/14/2006 9:39:20 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: AmishDude

Any Commander-in-Chief that does NOT protect the U.S. national security will be overthrown by the military. You can take that to the bank.


68 posted on 11/14/2006 11:10:13 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: AmishDude
"I don't think he'd expend any capital for constitutionalist judges (I think he'd rather find common-sense, wise jurists...like himself)"

"I don't THINK? Using your own words, "Oh no no no no no no. Do not delude yourself into thinking that." THAT kind of thinking gave us Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

69 posted on 11/14/2006 11:12:25 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
>> to Hell with what Rudy did there, please keep him there

Keep in mind I was differentiating him from the boy from Arkansas.

This morning I finally got around to turning the first page on the November 2006 issue of the Limbaugh Letter. Rush describes the news commentary regarding the "insurgent sniper teams" killing our troops in Iraq. The bizarre enthusiasm demonstrated by the news team is unequivocally grotesque. Further down the first column of Rush's editorial, Rush makes reference to the lack of media attention given to those jumping from the burning Towers in NYC on 9/11.

Should Atlanta and Arkansas share in the contempt given to NYC?

One more point relevant to the issues before us. The NYC Policeman, Firefighters, and other rescue personnel exhibited courage and selfless regard for their fellow citizens to a historical degree and likewise perpetuating the unmatched greatness of Country. And they were fighting against the 'Hell' perpetrated by our mutual enemy.
70 posted on 11/14/2006 11:48:49 AM PST by Gene Eric
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To: TommyDale

Hey, Einstein, don't argue with someone who's making your point.


71 posted on 11/14/2006 1:35:20 PM PST by AmishDude (Libertarians didn't lose it for us. They're losers who work against what they claim to want.)
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To: TommyDale
Any Commander-in-Chief that does NOT protect the U.S. national security will be overthrown by the military. You can take that to the bank.

Idiot.

72 posted on 11/14/2006 1:40:51 PM PST by AmishDude (Libertarians didn't lose it for us. They're losers who work against what they claim to want.)
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To: Echo Talon

This is still a free country, if you want to vote for Guliani, you certainly may. Just don't expect to take your credentials as a conservatives seriously when you've demonstrated your willingness to vote for gay rights, abortion, and gun control.


73 posted on 11/14/2006 6:35:48 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Gene Eric

--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.



The association doesn't cut it, eh?
74 posted on 11/14/2006 7:01:02 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil
>> The association doesn't cut it, eh?

Giuliani is certainly liberal on the social issues and, when appealing to the New York media, he made it a point to emphasize that; and, I'm glad you're bringing this to the forefront. Conservatives and Republicans need to understand where Giuliani stands on issues like gun control and abortion. Here, I'm in agreement with you.

That said, I still stand by my remark about the validity of the comparison to Bill Clinton. I used the 'Marc Rich' example as a leading wedge to the array of issues where I think Clinton and Giuliani fork off in different directions. Here's a question worth thinking about and hopefully raises my point:

Where would we be today if Giuliani was the President from 1993 to 2001?

BTW, the spell checker had issue with my spelling of 'fork off'.
75 posted on 11/14/2006 7:35:25 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: JMack

I totally agree with you. I've come to the conclusion that the best way to deal with RINOs is a carrot and stick approach.

The carrot is, "you liberal Republican types have the money and want the power...we have the votes. So long as you give us what we want, we'll vote for you and let you enjoy the perks of power. Don't think this gives you license to have independent thought about how to actually make policy, however."

The stick is, "If you should get into office and spend your days pushing illegal immigration, gay marriage, abortion on demand, secularism, and so on we will let the Democrats beat you like pinatas until you change your mind."

2006 was an example of this. If a guy like Rudy gets nominated, 2008 will be an even clearer example of it.


77 posted on 11/16/2006 10:04:57 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: jdm

Perhaps, but we nominate Rudy, we’re done.

Hopefully, Fred or Duncan will get the nomination. At least Mitt.

Damn right the war is important. It’s a fight for our country, our way of life.

So what’s to fight for if we elect a Rudy, a man likely to parade around dressed as woman, grabbing guns, legalising illegals, and gutting the nation in perfect unison with the left?

At the end of the day with Rudy calling the shots, there’s likely not much left worth fighting for.

Last thing we need right now is that RINO in the White House.

Lord have mercy, don’t forget to say your prayers!


78 posted on 10/01/2007 6:58:35 AM PDT by Kowboy_Kaziglu_Bey
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