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Shame of the Yankees - America's Worst Anti-Jewish Action [Civil War thread]
Jewish Press ^ | 11-21-06 | Lewis Regenstein

Posted on 11/21/2006 5:23:06 AM PST by SJackson

Shame of the Yankees - America's Worst Anti-Jewish Action

By: Lewis Regenstein
Wednesday, November 15, 2006

This year, the second day of Chanukah will coincide with the 144th anniversary of the worst official act of anti-Semitism in American history.

On December 17, 1862, in the midst of the Civil War, Union general Ulysses S. Grant issued his infamous "General Order # 11," expelling all Jews "as a class" from his conquered territories within 24 hours. Henry Halleck, the Union general-in-chief, wired Grant in support of his action, saying that neither he nor President Lincoln were opposed "to your expelling traitors and Jew peddlers."

A few months earlier, on August 11, General William Tecumseh Sherman had warned in a letter to the adjutant general of the Union Army that "the country will swarm with dishonest Jews" if continued trade in cotton were encouraged. And Grant also issued orders in November 1862 banning travel in general, by "the Israelites especially," because they were "such an intolerable nuisance," and railroad conductors were told that "no Jews are to be permitted to travel on the railroad."

As a result of Grant's expulsion order, Jewish families were forced out of their homes in Paducah, Kentucky, and Holly Springs and Oxford, Mississippi – and a few were sent to prison. When some Jewish victims protested to President Lincoln, Attorney General Edward Bates advised the president that he was indifferent to such objections.

Lincoln rescinded Grant's odious order, but not before Jewish families in the area had been humiliated, terrified, and jailed, and some stripped of their possessions.

Captain Philip Trounstine of the Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, being unable in good conscience to round up and expel his fellow Jews, resigned his army commission, saying he could "no longer bear the taunts and malice of his fellow officers brought on by that order."

The officials responsible for the United States government's most vicious anti-Jewish actions ever were never dismissed, admonished or, apparently, even officially criticized for the religious persecution they inflicted on innocent citizens.

Northern Animus, Southern Hospitality

The exact reason for Grant's decree remains uncertain. As author and military historian Mel Young points out in his book Where They Lie, Grant's own family was involved in cotton speculation (as well as owning slaves), so perhaps he considered Jewish traders to be competition. And the language spoken by the many Dutch and German-speaking peddlers and merchants in the area was probably confused with Yiddish and many were mistakenly taken to be Jewish.

But most likely the underlying reason for the order was the prejudice against and hatred of Jews so widely felt among the Union forces.

Such bigotry is described in detail by Robert Rosen in his authoritative work The Jewish Confederates; by Bertram Korn in his classic American Jewry and the Civil War; and by other historians of the era. They recount how Jews in Union-occupied areas, such as New Orleans and Memphis, were singled out by Union forces for vicious abuse and vilification.

In New Orleans, the ruling general, Benjamin "Beast" Butler, harshly vilifiedJews and was quoted by a Jewish newspaper as saying he could "suck the blood of every Jew, and will detain every Jew as long as he can." An Associated Press reporter from the North wrote that "The Jews in New Orleans and all the South ought to be exterminated. They run the blockade, and are always to be found at the bottom of every new villainy."

Of Memphis, whose Mississippi River port was a center of illegal cotton trading, the Chicago Tribune reported in July 1862: "The Israelites have come down upon the city like locusts. Every boat brings in a load of the hooked-nose fraternity."

Rosen writes at length about the blatant and widespread anti-Semitism throughout the North, with even The New York Times castigating the anti-war Democratic Party for having a chairman who was "the agent of foreign Jew bankers."

New Englanders were especially hateful, and one leading abolitionist minister, Theodore Parker, called Jews "lecherous," and said that their intellects were "sadly pinched in those narrow foreheads" and that they "did sometimes kill a Christian baby at the Passover."

Meanwhile, in the South, Jews were playing a prominent role in the Confederate government and armed forces, and "were used to being treated as equals," as Rosen puts it, an acceptance they had enjoyed for a century and a half.

Dale and Theodore Rosengarten, in A Portion of the People: Three Hundred Years of Southern Jewish Life, observe that in 1800 Charleston had more Jews than any city in North America, and many were respected citizens, office holders, and successful entrepreneurs. Some referred to the city as "our Jerusalem" and Myer Moses, my maternal family patriarch, in 1806 called his hometown "this land of milk and honey." And so it seemed.

Some 3,000 or more Jews fought for the South, practically every male of military age. Many carried with them to the front the famous soldiers' prayer written by Richmond rabbi Max Michelbacher, who after secession had issued a widely-published benediction comparing Southerners to "the Children of Israel crossing the Red Sea."

Many Jewish Confederates distinguished themselves by showing, along with their Christian comrades, amazing courage, dedication and valor, and enduring incredible hardships against overwhelming and often hopeless odds.

The Confederacy's secretary of war (he would later become secretary of state) was Judah P. Benjamin, and the top Confederate commander, General Robert E. Lee, was renowned for making every effort to accommodate his Jewish soldiers on their holidays.

Some find it peculiar that a people once held in slavery by the Egyptians, and who celebrate their liberation every year at Passover, would fight for a nation dedicated to maintaining that institution. But while slavery is usually emphasized, falsely, as the cause of the war, Confederate soldiers felt they were fighting for their homeland and their families, against an invading army that was trying, with great success, to kill them and their comrades, burn their homes, and destroy their cities.

Anyone with family who fought to defend the South, as over two dozen members of my extended family did, cannot help but appreciate the dire circumstances our ancestors encountered.

The Moses Family

Near the end of the War Between the States, as I grew up hearing it called, my great grandfather, Andrew Jackson Moses, participated in a dangerous mission as hopeless as it was valiant. The date was April 9, 1865, the same day Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox. Having run away from school at 16 to become a Confederate scout, Jack rode out as part of a hastily formed local militia to defend his hometown of Sumter, South Carolina.

Approaching rapidly were the 2,700 men of Potter's Raiders, a unit attached to Sherman's army that had just burned Columbia and most everything else in its path, and Sumter expected similar treatment.

Along wih a few other teenagers, old men, invalids, and wounded from the local hospital, Sumter's 158 ragtag defenders were able to hold off Potter's battle-seasoned veterans for over an hour and a half at the cost of a dozen lives.

Jack got away with a price on his head, and Sumter was not burned after all. But some buildings were, and there are documented instances of murder, rape, and arson by the Yankees, including the torching of our family's 196 bales of cotton.

Meanwhile, on that same day, Jack's eldest brother, Lt. Joshua Lazarus Moses, who'd been wounded in the war's first real battle, First Manassas (Bull Run), was defending Mobile in the last infantry battle of the war. With his forces outnumbered 12 to one, Josh was commanding an artillery battalion that, before being overrun, fired the last shots in defense of Mobile.

Refusing to lay down his arms, he was killed in a battle at Fort Blakely a few hours after Lee, unbeknownst to them, had surrendered. In that battle, one of Josh's brothers, Perry, was wounded, and another brother, Horace, was captured while laying land mines.

The fifth brother, Isaac Harby Moses, having served with distinction in combat in the legendary Wade Hampton's cavalry, rode home from North Carolina after the Battle of Bentonville, the last major battle of the war, where he had commanded his company after all the officers had been killed or wounded. His mother proudly observed in her memoirs that he never surrendered to the enemy forces.

He was among those who fired the first shots of the war when his company of Citadel cadets opened up on the Union ship, Star of the West, which was attempting to resupply the besieged Fort Sumter in January 1861, three months before the war officially began.

Last Order Of The Lost Cause

The Moses brothers' uncle, Major Raphael J. Moses, from Columbus, Georgia, is credited with being the father of Georgia's peach industry. He was General James Longstreet's chief commissary officer and was responsible for supplying and feeding up to 50,000 men (including porters and other non-combatants).

Their commander, Robert E. Lee, had forbidden Moses from entering private homes in search of supplies during raids into Union territory, even when food and other provisions were in painfully short supply. And he always paid for what he took from farms and businesses, albeit in Confederate tender – often enduring, in good humor, harsh verbal abuse from the local women.

Interestingly, Moses ended up attending the last meeting and carrying out the last order of the Confederate government, which was to deliver the remnant of the Confederate treasury ($40,000 in gold and silver bullion) to help feed, supply and provide medical help to the defeated Confederate soldiers in hospitals and straggling home after the war – weary, hungry, often sick or wounded, shoeless, and in tattered uniforms. With the help of a small group of determined armed guards, he successfully carried out the order from President Jefferson Davis, despite repeated attempts by mobs to forcibly take the bullion.

Major Moses's three sons also served the Confederacy. One of them, Albert Moses Luria, was killed in 1862 at age 19 after courageously throwing a live Union artillery shell out of his fortification before it exploded, thereby saving the lives of many of his compatriots. He was the first Jewish Confederate killed in the war; his cousin Josh, killed at Mobile, the last.

Moses had always been intensely proud of his Jewish heritage, having named one son Luria after an ancestor who was court physician to Spain's Queen Isabella. Another son he named Nunez, after Dr. Samuel Nunez, the court physician in Lisbon who fled religious persecution in Portugal and arrived from England in July 1733 with some 41 other Jews on a tiny, storm-tossed ship. As one of the first Jews in Georgia, Nunez is credited with having saved the colony in Savannah from perishing from malaria or some ther kind of tropical fever.

After the war, Raphael Moses was elected to the Georgia House of Representatives and named chairman of the Judiciary Committee. One of his best known writings, reproduced countless times in books and articles, is a lengthy, open letter he wrote in 1878 to a political opponent who'd attacked him for being "a Jew."

This was a rare deviation from the general acceptance the South showed toward its Jews, and Moses hit back hard.

"Had your overburdened heart sought relief in some exhibition of unmeasured gratitude, had you a wealth of gifts and selected from your abundance your richest offering to lay at my feet," he wrote, "you could not have honored me more highly, nor distinguished me more gratefully than by proclaiming me a Jew."

One cannot help but respect the dignity and gentlemanly policies of Lee and Moses, and the courage of the greatly outnumbered, out-supplied but rarely outfought Confederate soldiers.

In stark contrast and in violation of the then-prevailing rules of warfare, the troops of Union generals Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan burned and looted homes, farms, courthouses, libraries, businesses, and entire cities full of defenseless civilians (including my hometown of Atlanta) as part of official Union policy not simply to defeat but to utterly destroy the South.

And before, during, and after the war, this Union army (led by many of the same generals, including Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, and Custer) used the same and even worse tactics to massacre Native Americans in what we euphemistically call the Indian Wars. It would be more accurate to call it mass murder – a virtual genocide – of Native Americans, including helpless old men, women, and children in their villages.

Why We Revere Our Ancestors

The valor of the Jewish Confederates and the other Southern soldiers and the blatant anti-Semitism so prevalent in the North form a nearly forgotten chapter of American history. It is, seemingly, an embarrassment to many Jewish historians – and hardly politically correct – in this day of constantly reiterated demonization of the Confederacy and worshipful reverence for Lincoln and his brutal generals.

But the anniversary of Grant's little-remembered Nazi-like decree and his other atrocities should serve to remind us what the Southern soldiers and civilians were up against. Perhaps it will help people understand why native Southerners, including many Jewish families, revere their ancestors' courage and, despite the controversy it causes in certain "enlightened" circles, still take much pride in this heritage.

Lewis Regenstein, a native Atlantan, is a writer and author. He can be reached at  Regenstein@mindspring.com.


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The author overstates the case a bit, understandable given his background. As to Grant's own family was involved in cotton speculation (as well as owning slaves), so perhaps he considered Jewish traders to be competition it's my understanding Grant's father's partner was Jewish, and that signing the ban, if Grant was aware of it, was a way of getting rid of an embarrassing situation, his own father trading in cotton.
1 posted on 11/21/2006 5:23:11 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Wow. Civil war thread sure brings back memories. Where's old Walt and the gang? Let's brawl! :-P


2 posted on 11/21/2006 5:24:16 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: Alouette

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3 posted on 11/21/2006 5:25:49 AM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: Huck

Some of the old north / south threads were pretty darned funny. I miss modernman.


4 posted on 11/21/2006 5:39:27 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: SJackson

Hey, Jews do get blamed for everything. Even the Civil War. Of course, anti-Semites would think Grant was a great guy for doing this.


5 posted on 11/21/2006 5:39:30 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: SJackson

Think the anti-war stuff is bad now? - just read what happened in Northern cities and how Lincoln was treated during the civil war...


6 posted on 11/21/2006 5:39:31 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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7 posted on 11/21/2006 5:39:40 AM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: SJackson

Good grief. How far are they going to dig to keep this up? One hundred-forty years ago. What's the connection to today?


8 posted on 11/21/2006 5:44:09 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Dixie ping!

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9 posted on 11/21/2006 5:44:16 AM PST by RebelBanker (It is, however somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.)
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To: popdonnelly

they get blamed, because they are opportunists looking for new inventive ways of earning a living...entrepreneurs


10 posted on 11/21/2006 5:44:40 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Huck
Where's old Walt

You misspelled Wlat.

11 posted on 11/21/2006 5:45:48 AM PST by TomServo ("Uh, Donner, party of three please.")
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To: SJackson

Did Mel Gibson ever play a Damn Yankee General?


12 posted on 11/21/2006 5:51:27 AM PST by DogBarkTree (The United States failure to act against Iran will be seen as weakness throughout the Muslim world.)
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13 posted on 11/21/2006 5:53:50 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: RebelBanker

Rebel Bump!


14 posted on 11/21/2006 5:57:35 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; albyjimc2; Alexander Rubin; ...
General Orders #11

Basically, some war profiteers were kicked out and some innocent people were inconvenienced. Nobody was killed, nobody was hurt. The order rescinded after 2 weeks.

All in all, is this is "America's worst Anti-Jewish action" then the U.S. has a pretty damn good track record.

Mr. Regenstein & I had a rather acrimonious email argument over this. But what can I say, I am a "Damn Yankee"

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

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15 posted on 11/21/2006 5:58:30 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 145-150)
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To: TomServo
You misspelled Wlat.

hee hee!

16 posted on 11/21/2006 5:59:31 AM PST by Constitution Day (I guess Rove isn't such a Magnificent Bastard, after all.)
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To: raybbr

Just setting history straight.


17 posted on 11/21/2006 6:00:34 AM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: SJackson

Although the article does not say so, Secretary Benjamin was a Jew. He was secretary of war, state and attorney general at different times. He lived in a house in Richmond not far from where I live and sit now.

He fled to England after the war and became to foremost expert on contract law in the English speaking world. His "Benjamin on Contracts" can still be found in most law libraries.

See http://www.amazon.com/Judah-P-Benjamin-Jewish-Confederate/dp/5557104364

http://www.amazon.ca/Judah-P-Benjamin-Eli-Evans/dp/0029099110


18 posted on 11/21/2006 6:01:52 AM PST by Captain Jack Aubrey
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To: stainlessbanner

Dixie bump


19 posted on 11/21/2006 6:01:53 AM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: Alouette
Sorry, here is the link

Happy to see that my reference site is getting some use. Mr. Regenstein could have credited my site in his research. But, after all, I am a "Damn Yankee."

20 posted on 11/21/2006 6:01:55 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 145-150)
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To: Alouette

This is a joke, right? This is America's biggest anti-Jew moment. Grant was tired of Northern money flowing south to buy cotton and returning as weapons and supplies bought from abroad (I'm not sure what her exact name was nor how she got all of these supplies.)


21 posted on 11/21/2006 6:04:45 AM PST by american_ranger
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To: raybbr

This story is part of a regular history series in a weekly newspaper targeted at religious Jews. If this appeared in the NY Times or on Sixty Minutes, I'd be suspicious too.


22 posted on 11/21/2006 6:05:36 AM PST by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: SJackson

Well, with such "progressive" lights as Barak Obama, admitting that the Emancipation Proclamation was purely a military document, maybe southerners will begin to get a slightly more fair historical treatment. Those of us with Confederate ancestors can only hope. One of the oldest houses of worship in Greensboro, NC, where I am, is a synagogue.


23 posted on 11/21/2006 6:09:31 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Alouette
But, after all, I am a "Damn Yankee."

And an unbiased one, if your website is any indication. Were that Mr. Regenstein were so balanced.

24 posted on 11/21/2006 6:11:33 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: SJackson
Oh heck, I bet old Ulysses was just snockered. He probably didn't even remember issuing the order in the morning, and then he was just too embarrassed to rescind it. (Aw c'm ON guys, I didn't say THAT, did I? Anybody got an Alka-Selzer or something? Hey, Corporal, could you just be a little quieter when you breathe? My head hurts something awful here ...)
25 posted on 11/21/2006 6:16:32 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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To: zgirl

Ping. Interesting stuff


26 posted on 11/21/2006 6:25:07 AM PST by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: Constitution Day

;-)


27 posted on 11/21/2006 6:30:36 AM PST by TomServo ("Uh, Donner, party of three please.")
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To: Mad Dawg
First U.S. President to welcome a Palestinian Emissary to the White House
28 posted on 11/21/2006 6:35:07 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 145-150)
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To: SJackson
a few were sent to prison

I don't know of any who were sent to prison. Some were forced to stay overnight at flophouse hotels.

This was probably the lamest pogrom EVER.

29 posted on 11/21/2006 6:37:05 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 145-150)
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To: SJackson

Attempts to make the Slaver Regime look good are bound to fail. Attempts to dispagage those who fought to save the Union are also bound to fail. Though they are always good for a few laughs at such folly.


30 posted on 11/21/2006 6:38:51 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Alouette

You are correct, had this war taken place in another country summary executions would have been the order of the day rather than expulsions.

However, there are those who will do or say anything to dispagage the heroes who saved the Union and glorify the Traitors who tried to destroy it rather than address the Evil of Slavery.


31 posted on 11/21/2006 6:42:20 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Huck

LOL! Don't worry. The new gang will be around shortly. So, you will probably get your brawl!


32 posted on 11/21/2006 6:49:17 AM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (If you want to have a good time, jine the cavalry!)
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To: Mad Dawg
Oh heck, I bet old Ulysses was just snockered. He probably didn't even remember issuing the order in the morning, and then he was just too embarrassed to rescind it.

In fact he contended he wasn't aware of signing the order, that it was likely in a stack of papers he routinely signed. Given the fact that there's no indication of animosity toward Jews anywhere in Grant's long public life, that's probably true.

33 posted on 11/21/2006 6:51:07 AM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: SJackson

We note that almost every liberal Jewish person we encounter equates the Confederate flag with anti-semitism. When you try to explain the historical truth of the matter they do not even listen. As for Judah P. Benjamin, he fled to the U.K. and became a very successful barrister.


34 posted on 11/21/2006 7:05:02 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: SJackson
One of the effects of the defeat of the South and the subsequent Reconstruction was the fall of the Southern plantation and merchant class from power. The post-Reconstruction Southern states reacted with extreme bitterness against their defeat and the subsequent long economic depression of the region that lingered on until World War II. Post-reconstruction Southern politics became more democratic (at least for whites), as the result of the dilution of planter and merchant dominance.

In this atmosphere, scapegoating reared its head. Populists such as Tom Watson in Georgia switched from themes of economic reforms similar to those championed by Northern and Western Populists to viciousness toward the former slaves. Strict segregation laws became the norm after 1890, and blacks were effectively disenfranchised in the same period. Free lance vigilantes and, after 1920, the revived Ku Klux Klan engaged in a reign of terror against blacks, with several thousand lynchings between 1880 and 1930 (although some lynchings took places in such un-Southern locales as Wilmington, Delaware and Duluth, Minnesota). In some upland areas of the South (and the Midwest and West), there was ethnic cleansing of blacks from small towns where they had settled after the Civil War. The movie, Rosewood, documents one of the most extreme examples of expelling African-Americans in Florida during the 1920s.

Anti-Semitism also reared its ugly head in the South via the same Populist movement that imposed segregation and maltreatment of black Southerners. Tom Watson, Theodore Bilbo, and others recycled the anti-Semitic arguments of Nordic supremacists. The Klan of the 1920s and the 1960s repeated much of the same rhetoric against Jews as would have been found in Nazi propaganda. The lynching of Leo Frank in Georgia is evidence of the anti-Semitic animosity in the South in the Populist era.

Contrary to the opinions of many Northerners, as well as the romanticism of many Southerners, racism and anti-Semitism were far stronger and widespread in the post-Reconstruction South than had been the case in the antebellum era.

35 posted on 11/21/2006 7:06:59 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: SJackson
Wow, the Civil War [insert your preferred euphemism here: __________________] is a deep, deep mine. Ev Ehrlich has a hilarious take on this episode in Grant Speaks.
36 posted on 11/21/2006 7:11:14 AM PST by redbaiter
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To: SJackson

Perhaps Grant issued the order as Sherman was apparently a vicious anti-Semite, equating Jews with Newspapermen and prostitutes.

Its ironic that Jews had such a good relationship with anti-bellum southerners and after the war they became the objects of attack by the KKK along with blacks and Catholics.


37 posted on 11/21/2006 7:15:31 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: SJackson
Interesting post, but blaming Grant's action on pure anti-semitism seems a little too neat.

The real provocation might be exactly what was said -- the security risk (or perceived risk) of the traders and the activities along very sensitive lines of transport.

Fascinating family history from the author.

Also, what's this stuff about Jews running the blockade? Anyone have more data?

38 posted on 11/21/2006 7:15:34 AM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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To: SJackson

No kidding! I was just being facetious.


39 posted on 11/21/2006 7:20:11 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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To: Alouette

That's a great story. Thanks. I really like the rabbi!


40 posted on 11/21/2006 7:23:04 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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To: ZULU

"Sherman was apparently a vicious anti-Semite"

In addition to being a psychotic arsonist who was guided by the voices in his head.


41 posted on 11/21/2006 7:25:35 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Alouette
"But what can I say, I am a "Damn Yankee"

So am I. I think I'll just read rather than joining the continuation of the Civil War.

42 posted on 11/21/2006 7:34:51 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I guess you love Sherman as much as I do.

Sheridan was another homicidal psycho.


43 posted on 11/21/2006 7:37:04 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: AmericanVictory; Captain Jack Aubrey; SJackson
We note that almost every liberal Jewish person we encounter equates the Confederate flag with anti-semitism. When you try to explain the historical truth of the matter they do not even listen. As for Judah P. Benjamin, he fled to the U.K. and became a very successful barrister.

The Confederacy also made Judah P. Benjamin the first Jew since the time of Herod Agrippa I and his grandchildren to have his portrait on money.


44 posted on 11/21/2006 7:44:35 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Mad Dawg

My thoughts exactly. Must got hold of some moonshine.


45 posted on 11/21/2006 7:59:23 AM PST by usslsm51
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To: James Ewell Brown Stuart; Fairview; Confederato; zgirl; dixie1202; righthand man; ...

Dixie Ping


46 posted on 11/21/2006 8:21:59 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: raybbr
What's the connection to today?

The sources of that conflict, having never been adequately resolved, continue to this day. It is, in fact, precisely what brings many to this forum.

One faction of this country believed(and still believes) in a centralized federal government that dictated, and controlled all.

An opposing faction believed(and still believes) in individual, and states rights over exercising said controls.

Whether those factions are called yankees & rebels, or liberals & conservatives, the same conflicts and struggles continue to be fought.

47 posted on 11/21/2006 8:27:34 AM PST by laotzu
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To: laotzu
The sources of that conflict, having never been adequately resolved, continue to this day. It is, in fact, precisely what brings many to this forum.

How does that fit into "Shame of the Yankees"? It's clearly an attempt to connect people of today to 140 years ago. It's fatuous and divisive.

48 posted on 11/21/2006 8:31:23 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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"Its ironic that Jews had such a good relationship with anti-bellum southerners and after the war they became the objects of attack by the KKK along with blacks and Catholics."

Makes one wonder, but then it took the South over a century to recover, so scapegoating was a much easier task. Without romanticizing the South, had there been no slavery, it seems that the North's cause may have been interpreted a bit differently by historians. I guess the question is whether they would have even gotten approval for the war based on economic reasons had there been no slavery.


49 posted on 11/21/2006 8:34:57 AM PST by TheeOhioInfidel
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"It's clearly an attempt to connect people of today to 140 years ago. It's fatuous and divisive."

Odd, it used to be called "history".
I seem to remember a quote about what happens to those who ignore "history"...must look that up.

50 posted on 11/21/2006 8:37:39 AM PST by norton
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