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Vista: Microsoft's Last 'Big Bang' Operating System?
Information Week ^ | December 1, 2006 | Aaron Ricadela

Posted on 12/01/2006 7:49:10 PM PST by Zakeet

As he took the stage to usher Windows Vista to market, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer last week tried to put the software's laborious birth behind him. The company's 71,000 employees -- and the entire PC industry, for that matter -- could be excused for breathing a sigh of relief, too.

"It's an exciting thing to finally be here, and that's probably all I'll say about the past," Ballmer said at the unveiling from Nasdaq's cylindrical high-tech building in New York's Times Square. Office 2007 and Exchange Server 2007 also were introduced, and 30 more products will follow over the next year, all part of the same technology wave. "This is the biggest launch we've ever done," Ballmer said. Microsoft will spend $450 million marketing it all.

Yet for all the design missteps, overly ambitious plans, and personnel changes that led to a five-year lag between versions of Windows, questions about the future of Microsoft's software are top of mind for customers and partners. Ballmer swears to never let as much time elapse between Windows versions; the question now is how the company can keep churning out innovative products on a compressed timetable.

"Vista is the last of the Big Bang operating system releases from Microsoft," Credit Suisse research analyst Jason Maynard wrote in a report last month.

(Excerpt) Read more at informationweek.com ...


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Any thoughts as to whether Bill's boys can still turn out new mega-OS and mega-app products?
1 posted on 12/01/2006 7:49:13 PM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet
how the company can keep churning out innovative products

Somebody 'splain to me what's "innovative" here.

2 posted on 12/01/2006 7:54:30 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Zakeet

Build a better mouse trap. People will buy it.


3 posted on 12/01/2006 7:54:33 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Zakeet

There will have to be at least one more "big bang" OS release from Microsoft: The one where they have to take out all the DRM restrictions, due to customer resistance to them.


4 posted on 12/01/2006 7:55:57 PM PST by sourcery
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To: Zakeet

People will buy it because Microsoft will force retailers to sell it on PC's or else.

Microsoft will put the screws to their corporate customers and eventually make it impossible for them to not upgrade.

The usual.


5 posted on 12/01/2006 8:01:04 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Zakeet
the question now is how the company can keep churning out innovative products

Why start now?

6 posted on 12/01/2006 8:03:20 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Izzy Dunne
Somebody 'splain to me what's "innovative" here.

Are you kidding?

Try reading up on the new features and capabilities of Windows Vista and get back to us.

If it's everything it promises to be, this will be a great new operating system.

7 posted on 12/01/2006 8:05:38 PM PST by Jorge
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To: rlmorel

My next computer will either be a Mac or a computer running some variant of UNIX. … no more windows. To many options avalible.


8 posted on 12/01/2006 8:06:23 PM PST by doc1019
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To: kinoxi

How about painting it a shiny new color and charging three times a much? :P


9 posted on 12/01/2006 8:07:50 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: ReignOfError
"the question now is how the company can keep churning out innovative products"

Why start now?

I guess being out front and on top for a decade plus becomes a habit?

Go figure!

10 posted on 12/01/2006 8:08:31 PM PST by Jorge
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To: rlmorel

also ppl will request it.

can you imagine the clusterf**k of trying to buy software for a busness or home with multiple os's?

face it micro~1 beat OS2, Beos, Linux, Mac, and Unix as the OS of choice for the masses. do they steal others innovations,(yup)

everyone loves to hate Microsoft...but honestly they are a success of the highest order.


11 posted on 12/01/2006 8:08:45 PM PST by Casaubon (Internet Research Ninja Masta)
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To: Constantine XIII

What is your point? Which OS are you promoting?


12 posted on 12/01/2006 8:09:13 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Zakeet

What is so innovative in Vista?

I've heard that it phones home frequently, and it maintains a vigil over the validity of the Windows install.

I haven't read of anything newly spectacular in Vista.

At least XP claimed increased stability over Win98.


13 posted on 12/01/2006 8:10:31 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Zakeet

My prediction?: This is going to be the last "mass release" of software.

Everything down-the-road will be download/subsciption oriented and updated by degrees.


14 posted on 12/01/2006 8:11:39 PM PST by paulat (about)
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To: Jorge
Windows just sucks! I've been running XP for two years now (out of necessity, not choice!) and I religiously download all required updates and do all required maintenance, and I'm still starting to have serious problems with it, including sudden reboots and inordinately long boot times, among other things.

My next computer will be a MAC! I hope Microsoft eventually goes down in flames!

15 posted on 12/01/2006 8:11:49 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Jorge; Izzy Dunne
If it's everything it promises to be, this will be a great new operating system.

But what's the real minimum hardware to run it? I'm thinking anything less than a 2.4 Mhz dual core or dual processor system with a minumum of 2 GB RAM won't be worth upgrading. It might be great for most apps, but old Win 2K boxes will still be good for surfing the web.

16 posted on 12/01/2006 8:18:57 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Windows just sucks!

Geez! I wonder how it became the #1 operating system?

I've been running XP for two years now (out of necessity, not choice!) and I religiously download all required updates and do all required maintenance, and I'm still starting to have serious problems with it, including sudden reboots and inordinately long boot times, among other things.

You must have a real POS computer.

I have 2 computers.
An older Compaq with one of the first versions of XP and a newer Emachine with a newer version.

The patches have the Compaq running great and then newer version requires almost no patches and is virtually trouble free.

I absolutely love Windows..and I am willing to bet Vista will blow all previous versions out of the water.

17 posted on 12/01/2006 8:20:14 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Have you defragmented the registry? Do you run CHKDKS /F at bootup at least once a month?


18 posted on 12/01/2006 8:20:53 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yep, and (to Jorge) my computer is top of the line with all the best hardware and drivers. Just a crappy OS.


19 posted on 12/01/2006 8:22:56 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Jorge
"...I am willing to bet Vista will blow all previous versions out of the water..."

Jorge, that's not aiming real high.

20 posted on 12/01/2006 8:24:03 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I find Windows 2K is more reliable and faster than XP.


21 posted on 12/01/2006 8:24:41 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: Jorge

Sorry. Couldn't resist it, you left yourself wide open there.

Windows is okay. I use it and support it.


22 posted on 12/01/2006 8:27:45 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Zakeet

It should be easier to make updates to Vista now that Apple has been regularly updating its OS X system.

Microsoft just has to stay a few steps behind the innovative operating system of OS X now that Vista is such a transparent copy.


23 posted on 12/01/2006 8:29:59 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Zakeet

Everyone should boycott this spyware with all of its conditions tacked on. It offers nothing really new, and consumers will pay a high price to replace software and hardware that will not work with it.


24 posted on 12/01/2006 8:31:02 PM PST by Revel
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To: Paleo Conservative
But what's the real minimum hardware to run it? I'm thinking anything less than a 2.4 Mhz dual core or dual processor system with a minumum of 2 GB RAM won't be worth upgrading.

Well they're introducing Vista "Basic" and "Premium" versions.

The Basic runs on older machines with fewer new features...but the Premium requires a dual core processor and around 2 GB RAM, a modern video card with around 128MB of dedicated graphics memory etc etc.

I plan to wait until the bugs get worked out and then buy a whole new computer with the newest Vista OS in maybe 6 to 12 months.

I've read articles from those who've tried Vista and say it's got great new features...and you will wonder how you did without it in the near future.

I want it!

25 posted on 12/01/2006 8:36:02 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Zakeet
the question now is how the company can keep churning out

Microsoft's business model now seems to be largely devoted to "churning" its customers.

26 posted on 12/01/2006 8:36:17 PM PST by Doghouse Riley
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To: rlmorel
"...I am willing to bet Vista will blow all previous versions out of the water..."

Jorge, that's not aiming real high.

Let me see..they are aiming to beat the NUMBER ONE operating system in the WORLD.

Not aiming high?

Are you trying to make me laugh on purpose or what?

27 posted on 12/01/2006 8:39:15 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

"My next computer will be a MAC! I hope Microsoft eventually goes down in flames!"

MS hasn't gone down yet and people have been cussing them for years. Fact is their OS is by far the most accepted in the business and consumer world. As for apple. The iPod is about the only product that apple sells at a profit.


28 posted on 12/01/2006 8:39:26 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: Zakeet
Windows biggest problem is that the backwards compatibility. It's like driving a car with the parking break on.
29 posted on 12/01/2006 8:40:08 PM PST by SolitaryMan
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To: rlmorel
Sorry. Couldn't resist it, you left yourself wide open there.

Wide open for what?

Windows is the #1 operating system in the world.

But feel free to make a fool of yourself anytime you want. (oh... sorry!)

30 posted on 12/01/2006 8:42:51 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge

Hey Jorge, do you know where there is a table explaining every difference in the five (?) different versions of Vista?

My main concern is the security configuration that is also part of the difference between XP Home and XP Pro. In XP Home, you can't configure it for advanced security situations.


31 posted on 12/01/2006 8:43:38 PM PST by Rate_Determining_Step (It's in the Koran! Submit or Die)
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To: Zakeet

Any Service Packs issued yet?


32 posted on 12/01/2006 8:45:49 PM PST by fat city (What part of cognitive dissonance don't you understand?)
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To: Zakeet
Yeah, we all need a new operating system to hunt and peck on our keyboards nasty responses in support of the mighty Microsoft, now that Bushie2000 seems to have kicked the bucket!

Get real! The gamers need minimal overhead not a memory and CPU hog. The Office Suites users don't even need everything they have had with Win2K, Web servers use UNIX (also at mighty Microsoft), application servers, database servers, network servers, you're running all that on Windows and not UNIX, foo?!

33 posted on 12/01/2006 8:47:07 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Who invented rock and roll hiccups?)
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To: Rate_Determining_Step; Jorge
My main concern is the security configuration that is also part of the difference between XP Home and XP Pro. In XP Home, you can't configure it for advanced security situations

One of the really good reasons I don't run XP Home on anything. I need to be able to support tunneling by several associates into the company network. XP Home is useless for this. It also lacks the encryption capabilities of XP Pro, and don't forget the lack of support for multiple monitors.

34 posted on 12/01/2006 8:48:55 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: Revolting cat!
now that Bushie2000 seems to have kicked the bucket

Oh, he didn't kick the bucket. He's just rebooting...

35 posted on 12/01/2006 8:49:53 PM PST by gonewt
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To: Rate_Determining_Step
Hey Jorge, do you know where there is a table explaining every difference in the five (?) different versions of Vista?

NO...and I hope to avoid all the pre-released revision confusion by waiting at least 6 months and most of the problems get ironed out.

36 posted on 12/01/2006 8:50:16 PM PST by Jorge
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To: fat city
Any Service Packs issued yet?

LOL

37 posted on 12/01/2006 8:51:39 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge

Jorge, I'm not the one using the OS that requires you to spend as much money on Antivirus software as on production software.

I was joking and I said as much. I dislike Microsoft software, sometimes intensely as I did today when using Excel. Very powerful software, but just plain stupid and inscrutable when it does inexplicable things, as it often does. It helps to be able to "think" like Excel or any other Microsoft product to get the most out of it.


38 posted on 12/01/2006 8:53:03 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Jorge

Windows is garbage. Office is OK. Flight Simulator is their best by far.


39 posted on 12/01/2006 8:54:41 PM PST by coon2000
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To: rlmorel
Jorge, I'm not the one using the OS that requires you to spend as much money on Antivirus software as on production software.

I'm not spending a cent on "Antivirus software" on either of my computers..with early and late versions of XP.

Comcast takes care of all that for me. I've had no problems for a very long time.

40 posted on 12/01/2006 8:56:22 PM PST by Jorge
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To: coon2000

shut up coon


41 posted on 12/01/2006 8:57:32 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge

BWAAAAHAAAAHAA Oh yeah....


42 posted on 12/01/2006 8:58:23 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: rlmorel

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL


43 posted on 12/01/2006 8:59:48 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge

I'm laughing because I DO Windows support, Jorge.

I don't know what you are smoking, but viruses are just ONE of the major support issues.


44 posted on 12/01/2006 9:02:27 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Jorge

I'm laughing because I DO Windows support, Jorge.

I don't know what you are smoking, but viruses are just ONE of the major support issues.


45 posted on 12/01/2006 9:02:27 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yep. We discussed this before, haven't we? I use win2k pro and server versions and it's as solid as a rock. I've got multiple servers with various businesses and they don't crash unless it's a hardware failure. Now the only thing I miss is the 64 bit aspect.


46 posted on 12/01/2006 9:06:02 PM PST by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I totally agree. Since 97 I've been using a Pentium II 300 MHz with 192 Megs of RAM on a Windows 2000 machine and it outperforms by far my recent mini-upgrade to a Pentium IV 1.29 GHz with 256 Megs of RAM.

And IE7 is a joke. I now do my browsing in Firefox.


47 posted on 12/01/2006 9:06:46 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: kenth

Yep. I prefer Win2K over XP as well. By a wide margin.


48 posted on 12/01/2006 9:08:03 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Jorge
If it's everything it promises to be

When have you ever known this to be true?

49 posted on 12/01/2006 9:14:37 PM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: TomGuy
At least XP claimed increased stability over Win98.

Keyword: 'claimed'

Old joke: "Windows 95 was the beta release for Windows 98."

I have found Win98 to be mostly bulletproof, however that was only after a lot of tuning, tweaking, etc.

An interesting website for anyone wanting to enhance and keep on cranking with Win98 is:

http://www.mdgx.com

The website is a little challenging to navigate but it contains a lot of useful information on upgrading Win98 using the more useful (and stable) features of Windows ME.

As for Vista?

I'll wait for the summer at the earliest before considering an upgrade.
50 posted on 12/01/2006 9:15:33 PM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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