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Check it out! Pics of the "Nativity Scene" set up by the University Of Texas Young Conservatives.
Yahoo! News Photos ^ | 12/04/06 | staff

Posted on 12/05/2006 9:51:35 AM PST by redstates4ever

"Tony McDonald, a member of the University of Texas Young Conservatives, sets up a protest anti- American Civil Liberties Union nativity scene, dubbed a 'solstice barn,' on the university's campus in Austin December 4, 2006. The display features a 'Nancy Pelosi' angel, a 'suicide bomber' shepherd, and Marx, Lenin and Stalin as the Three Wise Men." "Josh Perry, a member of the University of Texas Young Conservatives, spreads hay as he sets up a protest anti-American Civil Liberties Union nativity scene, dubbed a 'solstice barn,' on the university's campus in Austin, Texas December 4, 2006. The display features a 'Nancy Pelosi' angel, a 'suicide bomber' shephard, and Marx, Lenin and Stalin as the Three Wise Men."

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1 posted on 12/05/2006 9:51:38 AM PST by redstates4ever
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To: redstates4ever

Well, it proves that immaturity knows no party or creed! :)


2 posted on 12/05/2006 9:53:33 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: redstates4ever
The display features a 'Nancy Pelosi' angel

Buwhahahahahaha!

3 posted on 12/05/2006 9:54:41 AM PST by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, MMP AZ 2005, TxMMP El Paso Oct+April 2006 TxMMP Laredo - El Paso)
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To: redstates4ever

A little hard to put the face of "the American people" on the sheep I guess.


4 posted on 12/05/2006 9:55:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: redstates4ever

I like it.


5 posted on 12/05/2006 9:56:00 AM PST by Dr. Zzyzx
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To: TLI

And I heard on Laura Ingraham this morning - there is no baby Jesus, because instead of Mary and Joseph, it's Gary and Joseph. :)


6 posted on 12/05/2006 9:56:01 AM PST by redstates4ever
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To: linda_22003

So you don't like it?


7 posted on 12/05/2006 9:57:33 AM PST by fishtank
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To: cripplecreek

Just you wait cripple creek--with all that genetic engineering and cloning going on--it won't be long before we'll be having SHEEPLE skipping up and down the malls of America. Now I just wonder what part will be woolly?---probably the brains--it figures.


8 posted on 12/05/2006 9:59:21 AM PST by brooklyn dave (Dhimmis better not be Dhummis!!!!------or else!!!)
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To: fishtank

I don't like OR dislike it. I just think it's immature - but that's what college is for, to work those things out. :) I do think a "suicide bomber shepherd" is distasteful.


9 posted on 12/05/2006 10:00:02 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: redstates4ever
Kind of clever.

Don't forget to send the ACLU a religious Merry Christmas card!

10 posted on 12/05/2006 10:00:08 AM PST by b4its2late (Liberalism is a hollow log and a mental disorder.)
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To: linda_22003

A liberal making excuses for suicide bombers is more than "distasteful".

This display is great. It gives me renewed hope in the yutes of the next generation.


11 posted on 12/05/2006 10:08:36 AM PST by fishtank
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To: linda_22003

I would proudly buy the kid lunch in a minute.


12 posted on 12/05/2006 10:08:42 AM PST by labette (I'm not an expert, but I play one on Free Republic. You can too!)
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To: redstates4ever

Should have ahad a pic of that aetheist geek Michael Newdow


13 posted on 12/05/2006 10:14:44 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: fishtank

I don't understand your first sentence; surely you were not suggesting that I am "making excuses" for suicide bombers. No one should.


14 posted on 12/05/2006 10:19:33 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: labette

You go right ahead; they both look like they could put quite a dent in your wallet in the course of one meal! :)


15 posted on 12/05/2006 10:20:21 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
He's protesting the infringements on our rights to free speech and free expression of religion.

Don't worry, No one is going to take away your right to watch Katie, Oprah, or judge Judy....

Yet.

16 posted on 12/05/2006 10:28:33 AM PST by labette (I'm not an expert, but I play one on Free Republic. You can too!)
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To: linda_22003
I don't like OR dislike it. I just think it's immature - but that's what college is for, to work those things out. :) I do think a "suicide bomber shepherd" is distasteful

Thats the point. I don't think you are fully grasping why they [young conservatives] are setting this display up.
They are setting it up to protest the ACLU. Since the ACLU doesnt like Christianity but instead supports suicide bombers, gays, socialists, and communists thats what they have displyed.

It's supposed to show people how evil and hypocrirical the ACLU is.

Don't get mad at the conservatives over this and call them "immature". The ACLU is the one you should be mad at and questioning for basically saying God has no place in public and supporting the rights of terrorists.
17 posted on 12/05/2006 10:28:42 AM PST by CMS (IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, THEN PLEASE STAND IN FRONT OF THEM)
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To: labette

I don't watch any of them, but thanks for the simplistic assessment. I'm sure you're doing the best you can. ;-D


18 posted on 12/05/2006 10:29:21 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: redstates4ever

Good for them!


19 posted on 12/05/2006 10:30:30 AM PST by NeoCaveman (I'm still chuckling at Gary and Joseph)
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To: CMS; xsmommy; Slip18

That's right, since the Baby Jesus and the Blessed Virgin Mary are persona non grata, thanks to the American Communist Libertine Union, we'll just make due with Marx, and Lenin, and Pelosi, and Islamic suicide bombers


20 posted on 12/05/2006 10:34:36 AM PST by NeoCaveman (I support our troops when they open fire at the media)
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To: CMS

I'm not mad at them at all. I assume they have the University's permission to do what they're doing, and college is the place for these types of expression, rather than on the front lawns of the corporations they hope to work for when they graduate.

(And when has the ACLU supported suicide bombers? You'll have to link me to that case).


21 posted on 12/05/2006 10:35:42 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: NeoCaveman

clever!


22 posted on 12/05/2006 10:36:07 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: linda_22003

Liberals make excuses for suicide bombers.

This display makes fun of liberals.

Get it?


23 posted on 12/05/2006 10:37:06 AM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank

That's certainly a better explanation.


24 posted on 12/05/2006 10:38:41 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?s=aclu+terrorist&q=deep&m=all&o=time&SX=4575bdfc82633b483ebf3b10f5c75e9a9d053cc6


25 posted on 12/05/2006 10:41:13 AM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank

Thanks for the link to the opinion piece.


26 posted on 12/05/2006 10:48:58 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: fishtank

"Liberals make excuses for suicide bombers.

This display makes fun of liberals.

Get it?"

She either doens't get it, or she doesn't want to.


27 posted on 12/05/2006 10:49:59 AM PST by redstates4ever
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To: redstates4ever

I have already responded to his post to me, because I did not, in fact, get what he was saying the first time. Try to keep up with the rest of the group.


28 posted on 12/05/2006 10:57:23 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: redstates4ever
Better picture:

29 posted on 12/05/2006 10:58:12 AM PST by Tatze (Tagline Free since May 2006)
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To: linda_22003

Poof! Begone!

Bye bye.


30 posted on 12/05/2006 11:05:46 AM PST by redstates4ever
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To: Tatze

Excellent pic! Thanks for posting it.


31 posted on 12/05/2006 11:06:12 AM PST by redstates4ever
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To: linda_22003
Thanks for the link to the opinion piece.

There were links, with an 's', and most were newspieces. But I suppose you are not interested in taking off your ACLU kneepads.

32 posted on 12/05/2006 11:06:23 AM PST by Always Right
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To: redstates4ever

It is the best laugh I have gotten so far today. Thanks!


33 posted on 12/05/2006 11:15:12 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: Always Right

I saw a link to townhall, an opinion site; if there were others I did not see them.

The kneepads remark is low class, as I'm sure you're aware.


34 posted on 12/05/2006 11:23:03 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: redstates4ever

Wow! Your magic powers are.... well, nonexistent. :)


35 posted on 12/05/2006 11:23:36 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

Austin [where UT is located] is a STAUNCHLY liberal haven. It shows great promise - if the University lets the display remain - that Young Conservatives have a voice there at all.

That said, I can understand your revulsion at the spirit in which this display has been erected. I'm not sure I can look beyond that, either.


36 posted on 12/05/2006 11:29:04 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: linda_22003; CMS

"(And when has the ACLU supported suicide bombers? You'll have to link me to that case)."

Wasn't that nutjob Professor who said the terrorists should be applauded defended by the ACLU? I think this must be a direct reference to that.


37 posted on 12/05/2006 11:32:48 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

As I said, I assume the students have University permission, and I have no problem with that. I just think it's jejune, but college is a good time to exercise that in a harmless fashion. I just found the "suicide bomber shepherds" to be in questionable taste, so of course I'm being accused of being a major ACLU supporter. It would be nice if some people could see in colors, and not just black and white. ;-D


38 posted on 12/05/2006 11:37:27 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
I saw a link to townhall, an opinion site; if there were others I did not see them.

The link was a search result of ACLU and Terrorist. It produced as numerous links. How you could see only one is beyond me.

The kneepads remark is low class, as I'm sure you're aware.

Your flippant responses and unending defense of the ACLU somewhat warranted it, but you are correct in the comment went too far. You ask for information, someone posts it and you don't bother to really look at it. You know how the ACLU constantly defends terrorists and attacks the policies of this country in defending against terrorist threats. You are being very disingenuous in acting naive.

39 posted on 12/05/2006 11:40:04 AM PST by Always Right
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To: linda_22003

I didn't see any accusations. I'm merely trying to understand the 'message' they're attempting to invoke. And clearly, I celebrate their vigilance in that staunchly liberal environment.


40 posted on 12/05/2006 11:42:44 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Always Right

I have not seen ANY "unending defense" of the ACLU. I also went back and looked at the link to that thread again, and saw an opinion article from Townhall followed by FR posts.

I have made "flippant responses", in keeping with the display at UT, and in response have been laid into by those who have rocks inside their gloves.

It's my own fault, though; this is a site for spirited conversation, but hardly for subtlety of thought and expression.


41 posted on 12/05/2006 11:48:29 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: xsmommy; NeoCaveman

Some people just don't get the humor in this. It's probably the best thing to come out of the U of Texas in a long time. ;^)


42 posted on 12/05/2006 11:51:35 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Remembering Beirut Vets 1983 American Embassy April 1983/Marine Headquarters Oct.1983)
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To: Always Right

I went back AGAIN, looked down the list, and the one solid news site, Investors Business Daily, did not have an article available any more. The rest are opinion sites, or sites with an inherent agenda. (And yes, I know the same can be said of "MSM", so I'll spare you the keystrokes).


43 posted on 12/05/2006 11:53:30 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

This probably does not meet your standard of reliable sources, but it does a fairly good job of showing how much the ACLU is in bed with terrorists....

Who's Behind the ACLU NSA Lawsuit . . . And Why Are They Lying?

By Debbie Schlussel

You've heard a lot about the ACLU lawsuit since its filing yesterday.

But you haven't heard much about its less famous plaintiffs, plaintiffs with whom I'm all too familiar and about whom I've written a great deal. The details on these individuals makes the National Security Agency's monitoring of phone calls not just warranted, but a necessity.

I'm not referring to the famous Plaintiffs about whom you've heard: For example, Christopher Hitchens, the well-known Vanity Fair writer who is tight with convicted felon lobbyist Jack Abramoff's money launderer Grover Norquist. (Norquist's receipt of thousands from Saudi charities raided by Customs for billions in Al-Qaeda money laundering is well-known, and Hitchens wrote glowingly of Norquist's efforts on behalf of radical Islam).

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ACLU Lawsuit's Noel Saleh & Mohammed Abdrabboh:

They SHOULD Be Monitored.

I'm referring to ACLU lawyers Noel Saleh, Mohammed Abdrabboh, and Nabih Ayad, the ACLU Plaintiffs named in the yesterday's Complaint, attorney William Swor, a member National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, and Nazih Hassan--all named in the lawsuit. They are exactly the kind of people whom the federal government SHOULD be watching, but probably isn't. One of these men admitted to funding Hezbollah, one was accused of tampering with a witness, and a third signed a document contradicting statements he made in the lawsuit. Not to mention, one of these men engaged in exactly the same "spying" (on me) that he now opposes when done by the NSA.

Their clients are no different from that of convicted Attorney Lynn Stewart's (convicted of helping the Blind cleric spread terrorist messages in Egypt), and in some cases, their behavior is far worse. Yet, instead of monitoring them, the federal government's representatives in Detroit--including U.S. Attorney Stephen Murphy III, FBI Special Agent in Charge Daniel Roberts, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Special Agent in Charge Brian Moskowitz--have been courting them, their clients, and friends in a series of exclusive meetings.

Take Noel Saleh. The thrice-disciplined attorney (who was suspended from the practice of law) openly stated at a town hall meeting with federal officials that he has financially contributed to Hezbollah. He heads an Arab welfare agency that gets millions in our tax dollars, yet was raided by the FBI for engaging in Medicaid fraud. The organization also spent thousands in our tax dollars on "job training" (commercial driving lessons and attempts at HazMat hauling certificates) for two men indicted as members of the Detroit Al-Qaeda terror cell. He has represented a number of Islamic terrorists, including Ibrahim Parlak and "former" PFLP terrorist Imad Hamad.

Then, there is Mohammed Abdrabboh, a Palestinian attorney and ACLU of Michigan Board Member.

Not only does he represent a number of accused terrorists, he lied in signed documents about it. In the ACLU lawsuit, Abdrabboh's ACLU claims:

86. As part of his criminal defense practice, Mr. Abdrabboh has represented and continues to represent people the government has suspected of allegedly having some link to terrorism or terrorist organizations.

But in a grievance Abdrabboh filed against ME to the Michigan Attorney Grievance Commission (designed to deny my right to free speech and get me to change this column about him--I didn't and won't), a year ago, Abdrabboh wrote (and signed his name to) the following:

Without hesitation, I affirmatively state that I have never represented anyone accused of terrorism or money laundering. I can also affirmatively state that I have never represented or consulted with anyone accused/suspected/indicted of money laundering, let alone money laundering to finance Al-Qaeda. . . . Debbie Schlussel will not be able to provide the ADB [Attorney Discipline Board] with a single court appearance, document or public record that would indicate that I have ever represented a suspected terrorist or money launderer.

Hmmm . . . I think a grievance against Abdrabboh for lying either in Court or to the Grievance Commission is appropriate.

In fact, Mohammed Abdrabboh represented Gamil Manea Ahmed Al-Najar, arrested in December 2002 in raids by then U.S. Customs (now Immigration and Customs Enforcement--ICE) for operating a money-laundering business, Najjar Money Transfer, through Dix Dollar Mart--one of six businesses believed to have transmitted as much as $50 million per year to Yemen, in violation of the Patriot Act and other reporting requirements. Customs Agents told me they believed the money was going to finance terrorist activities, likely Al-Qaeda. Abdrabboh is listed as Al-Najar's attorney on the federal court docket.

So we know only one thing for sure about Mohammed Abdrabboh: He is a liar.

What we also know is that many of his clients are involved with terrorist and other nefarious activities. He appeared at the arraignment for two Palestinian and Lebanese clients accused (and later convicted) of chopping a Jordanian Palestinian to death. All three were under investigation by the FBI for mortgage and real estate fraud and were suspected of sending the proceeds "back home" to the Mid-East for assorted nefarious activities.

Abdrabboh is heavily involved with the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, which openly praises Hezbollah--the terrorist group that murdered over 300 U.S. Marines and civilians in Lebanon. In the West Bank, Abdrabboh made a career of legitimizing Palestinian terrorists in his work for Al-Haq, the Palestinian version of the ACLU (only worse, if that's possible). In work for the United Nations, he co-authored a report on the "Syrian Golan." (The Golan is in ISRAEL.) Clearly, this man has a political agenda, not friendly to the United States or our key Mid-East ally.

Spying? Taping phone calls? Abdrabboh doesn't have a problem with that either, when he's the one doing it. On September 7, 2004, the same day he filed his phony grievance against me, Abdrabboh had one of his friends, a man identifying himself as "Casey Khalil" call me and try to entrap me in a taped phone call. But it didn't work. The man, whose number came up as "Khalil Companies" on my caller ID, claimed he was a client of Abdrabboh for his mortgage company's problems with the State of Michigan and wanted information on him.

The ACLU lawsuit claims:

88. The Program has inhibited communications between Mr. Abdrabboh and his family and friends because he is less candid about his political views and avoids saying things that are critical of the U.S. government over the telephone or through email.

Puh-leeze. Abdrabboh is a vocal member of the Michigan Civil Rights Commission, appointed by Michigan's liberal Democrat governor, Jennifer Granholm. There was a meeting of his commission since the NSA program was disclosed in The New York Times, and he is as vocal as ever. All of these attorneys had a press conference in Detroit, yesterday, upon the filing of the suit. Contrary to being silenced, they couldn't seem to shut up.

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ACLU Lawsuit's Nabih Ayad, Nazih Hassan Deserve Heightened Scrutiny

Next, there's Abdrabboh's law partner, Nabih Ayad. Both Abdrabboh and Ayad go on annual trips to the Middle East with Hamad. The trips involve meetings with Lebanese and Syrian officials tied to Hezbollah, and their travel-mates include officials of a Detroit charity that openly donated millions to HAMAS and privately raised money for Iraqi insurgents at a Los Angeles area fundraiser. Federal officials suspect that money laundering--and who knows what else--may be going on during these trips.

Ayad represented Omar Abdel-Fatah Al-Shishani, stopped at Detroit Metro Airport with millions in phony bank checks used to fund Al-Qaeda operations. Shishani--a friend of John Kerry's--didn't get much for his money, though. I had dinner with Abu Shishani in fall 2003, prior to his sentencing. It was a secret meeting with law enforcement members, and he did not know my real identity. Shishani told me that Mr. Ayad ripped him off of $25,000, did not help him, and he had to hire a new attorney. Based on that, it's hard to see how NSA spying would affect his "representation" of his client.

Then, there are his 130 clients paid off an INS inspector and committed visa fraud. Ayad got these clients from his buddy, former "terrorist" Hamad. Paying off INS inspectors, visa fraud--these are things we SHOULD be spying on.

William Swor, another Plaintiff in the suit, represented an accused member of the Detroit terror cell. During the trial, the judge reportedly lashed at him for trying to tamper with and intimidate the government's Arabic translator in the case. He sat on the Board of Saleh's Arab welfare agency, and reportedly threatened to take work away from the translator, who also did work for the agency. Like Saleh, Swor was also disciplined by the Michigan Attorney Discipline Board, for snorting up his clients' money. (He had a cocaine problem.)

Finally, there is Nazih Hassan, a member of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Michigan Chapter--a group founded with funds from HAMAS political director Moussa Abu Marzook. Of all the Plaintiffs detailed within the case, he is the most worthy of government monitoring. He is not an attorney, but is admittedly a friend of deportee Rabih Haddad--founder of Global Relief Foundation (GRF).

President Bush designated GRF as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist Entity and shut it down, because it was laundering money back and forth to Al-Qaeda and had strong ties to its Hamburg cell. Haddad was caught lying to the government about his income for the purpose of getting subsidized housing, carried a briefcase full of bricks of cash (which he showed federal agents), and lied on an application to buy a rifle less than six months after moving to the U.S. His charity, GRF, sent out letters in the name of Osama Bin Laden's spiritual leader, Abdel Azzam, and attempted to raise funds for a "Pakistani Taliban" and jihad.

Hassan was president of Rabih Haddad's mosque and helped him. The federal government SHOULD be investigating his mosque. They should be investigating Hassan. If our government is not investigating the mosque, friends, and helpers of a man raising money for worldwide jihad and laundering money for Al-Qaeda, then whom ARE they investigating?

Hassan also admits being friendly with individuals connected to IANA (Islamic Assembly of North America), a charity raided for financing Saddam Hussein (while pretending the money was going to fund needy Iraqis who needed food). IANA, which was raided by the FBI, operated websites BEFORE 9/11 that featured fatwas urging the use of planes directed at buildings as a way to murder Americans. IANA's executive director, Islam Almurabit, and a key operative, Mohammed Al-Ahmari, fled to the Mid-East when the Detroit FBI tipped IANA off that it was investigating the group--both going to Saudi Arabia. Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, a Saudi national who was indicted but unfortunately acquitted, designed and operated the websites.

Again, Mr. Hassan's own admission of being close to IANA operatives makes it quite clear that he certainly SHOULD be monitored by the government.

Some of the Plaintiffs and attorneys in the ACLU's lawsuit against the NSA are the same as in a 2003 lawsuit the ACLU filed against Section 215 of the Patriot Act. That lawsuit languishes before another Detroit Federal Judge, without ever being decided.

And so should this one. (If you are interested in signing up oppose the ACLU lawsuit in court, please contact me.)

 

Posted by Debbie at January 18, 2006 06:32 AM

44 posted on 12/05/2006 12:08:48 PM PST by Always Right
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
It's probably the best thing to come out of the U of Texas in a long time. ;^)

I'm still waiting on an answer from our neighbor if her daughter was involved in this. The parents and kids are very Conservative. This is good news coming from UT - Austin.

45 posted on 12/05/2006 12:14:58 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The terrorists have many allies in the United States, especially in the democrat party.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

It was an extremely clever and brave display by these kids.


46 posted on 12/05/2006 12:17:41 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Remembering Beirut Vets 1983 American Embassy April 1983/Marine Headquarters Oct.1983)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I'm surprised the liberals let them have that display on the UT campus. This entire area is overrun with leftists.


47 posted on 12/05/2006 12:26:40 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The terrorists have many allies in the United States, especially in the democrat party.)
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To: Always Right

I'm not familiar with Debbie Schlussel, but I do think the NSA should be tracking people within legal parameters.


48 posted on 12/05/2006 12:42:39 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

i thought it was great! more power to them!


49 posted on 12/05/2006 1:13:35 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

I feared my daughter's college would be more liberal but it was far from it. She has really enjoyed the conservative political atmosphere.


50 posted on 12/05/2006 1:17:49 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Remembering Beirut Vets 1983 American Embassy April 1983/Marine Headquarters Oct.1983)
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