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Once a laggard, Boeing 747 gets a sharp new lift.
IHT ^ | 6 Dec 2006 | Leslie Wayne

Posted on 12/07/2006 8:55:12 AM PST by lowbuck

After air traffic fell sharply following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, the Boeing 747, that humpbacked icon of the skies, appeared to have run out of lives.

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"The 747 has turned into the Energizer bunny of airplanes," said Byron Callan, an aviation analyst with Prudential Equities Securities.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 747; boeing
Dispite the title, this is a rather good review of the 747 and how it has developed over the years. Enjoy!
1 posted on 12/07/2006 8:55:15 AM PST by lowbuck
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To: lowbuck
I still don't believe that their center fuel tanks explode for no apparent reason.......
2 posted on 12/07/2006 8:58:25 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Red Badger

You wonder how much money that cover-up has cost our aircraft industry...


3 posted on 12/07/2006 9:01:25 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Many Americans are invested in a US failure in Iraq, and will work diligently to bring it about.)
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To: Red Badger

Center fuel tanks explode only with application of high enough heat..... now where that heat comes from.....


4 posted on 12/07/2006 9:02:47 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: lowbuck
The order for Boeing's new "Intercontinental" passenger model was made as the Airbus A380 has stumbled, falling two years behind on its delivery schedule after persistent wiring problems and a management shakeup at the company.

I keep hearing that the A380 delivery schedule is two years behind. But it's much worse than that, isn't it?

The initial delivery is delayed by two years. But the production rate has also been cut. If you were scheduled to take delivery of an A380 in 2009, your aircraft has not been pushed back two years to 2011, but back to 2013 or beyond, because Airbus is decreased the production rate forcast by half, even after (or if!) the wiring problems have been solved.

5 posted on 12/07/2006 9:06:04 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Many Americans are invested in a US failure in Iraq, and will work diligently to bring it about.)
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To: lowbuck

I like the 747, I still think it's one of the most comfortable planes to fly on. I've never flown on the upper deck, but I'd love to. That must seem nice and private.

Any body know what that's like? I've flown Club World on BA once to the UK from DFW and that was wonderful.

I'm amazed that somehing more than twice as big as my house can actually take off and fly around the world. That's amazing. What a great country we are to be able to conceive and make something like that.

Boeing is a great company.


6 posted on 12/07/2006 9:06:18 AM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: lowbuck
Allan McArtor, chairman of Airbus North America, called the new 747-8 "a brand new Edsel," a reference to one of the most famous flops in automotive history.

"The 747 is on its last legs," McArtor said during an interview. "It doesn't have any legs to stand one. Boeing is trying to breathe life into a 1960s era design," he said.

"There is only so much you can do with a plane," McArtor added. "But it is irritating. Boeing is getting orders only because of our inability to meet demand. Had we not stumbled with the A380, there would not be orders like the Lufthansa order for the 747-800."

These kind of comments tells a lot as to Airbust's management problems.

7 posted on 12/07/2006 9:07:41 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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Allan McArtor, chairman of Airbus North America, called the new 747-8 "a brand new Edsel," a reference to one of the most famous flops in automotive history.

"The 747 is on its last legs," McArtor said during an interview. "It doesn't have any legs to stand one. Boeing is trying to breathe life into a 1960s era design," he said.

"There is only so much you can do with a plane," McArtor added. "But it is irritating. Boeing is getting orders only because of our inability to meet demand. Had we not stumbled with the A380, there would not be orders like the Lufthansa order for the 747-800."



Talk about sour grapes ....


8 posted on 12/07/2006 9:08:19 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

great minds think alike...


9 posted on 12/07/2006 9:09:29 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Red Badger

A variety of Boeing airliners have had accidental center fuel tank explosions.


10 posted on 12/07/2006 9:12:17 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: lowbuck
Since no-one has posted any pics on this thread, I thought I would.

I realize it's not a 747.

11 posted on 12/07/2006 9:13:29 AM PST by Disambiguator (This tagline is brought to you by the letter "S" with a slash in front of it.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
"The 747 is on its last legs," McArtor said during an interview. "It doesn't have any legs to stand one. Boeing is trying to breathe life into a 1960s era design," he said.

Just imagine the can of whoop ass Boeing would be opening on Airbust if Boeing had a 747 replacement available.

12 posted on 12/07/2006 9:13:56 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Baker's Iraq Surrender Group - warming up the last helicopter out of Baghdad.)
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To: garyhope

Sitting on the upper deck of a 747 is wonderful and as you assumed there is added privacy. You get a head (bathroom) only used by the few seats in the upper deck. You get your own stewardess to attend to fewer people so the service is always beteter. The seating is usually first class (upper class on Virgin) and immensely comfortable.

If I fly in a 747 on business I always try to get on the upper deck. It is a great way to fly.


13 posted on 12/07/2006 9:14:14 AM PST by pblax8
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To: Neidermeyer

LOL, the clown at airbust calling the 747 an Edsel was just too much to pass up.


14 posted on 12/07/2006 9:15:09 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Must hurt to get your @ss kicked by an Edsel...


15 posted on 12/07/2006 9:15:23 AM PST by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: Disambiguator

7 -4 +7 =10

There, managed to make it a 747.


16 posted on 12/07/2006 9:16:20 AM PST by Andyman (God loves you just the way you are . . . but too much to leave you that way.)
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To: Disambiguator
Along that same line of thought:


17 posted on 12/07/2006 9:17:58 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: KarlInOhio
Just imagine the can of whoop ass Boeing would be opening on Airbust if Boeing had a 747 replacement available

You mean like the airbust A380?

18 posted on 12/07/2006 9:22:03 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: taxcontrol

A friend of mine who designs aviation hydraulic pumps tells me that some of the hydraulic systems on the 747 use the fuel tanks as a heat sink for the hydraulic oil. Heat is imparted to the hydraulic fluid as it is compressed during the act of being pumped and the fluid is routed to heat exchangers in the fuel tanks where the heat is then transferred to the jet fuel. His speculation is that Flight 800 experienced a runaway hydraulic pump (flight crew couldn't get it off line) and the hydraulic fluid got exceedingly hot which in turn heated the fuel in the center tank to it's flash point.

I don't know if this would be possible however I do know that deadheading a pump will cause whatever fluid is being pumped to get REALLY hot in a short period of time.


19 posted on 12/07/2006 9:24:11 AM PST by technically right
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Airbus saying the 747 is a 1860s-era design is like an IBM OS2 salesman calling Microsoft Windows XP a redesign of a 1960s product (DOS).

The fact is, IIRC, that the 747-8 (747-800?) flies more passengers faster, cheaper, and with more room.


20 posted on 12/07/2006 9:30:42 AM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: technically right

Listening to the story change as it went from local radio to national news was amazing. From initial reports of people seeing a streak of light from the ground, then an explosion, then hearing the explosion, the news shifted to people who claimed they heard the explosion, then turned and saw it. Silly idiots forgot that light travels faster than sound.

Then all the ridiculous news stories such as "No SAM could hit a jetliner," to be contradicted by military callers giving the specs of SAMs that could, etc.


21 posted on 12/07/2006 9:34:38 AM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: garyhope
I've never flown on the upper deck

The 747 is my all time favorite passenger plane (I fly 150,000 miles a year)

On Asia trips, I seek out a 747 route and the upper deck. It has a small cabin feel and has a sense of privacy (ok. it feels "elite".But I'm worth it (!)).

The only downer is coming down the stairs with a carry on roller after a 14 hour flight and a few drinks.

22 posted on 12/07/2006 9:39:12 AM PST by llevrok (When you outlaw flying carpets, only Terrorists will fly planes.)
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To: Disambiguator
I realize it's not a 747.

She has been known to drop a few bombs over hostile territory from time-to-time though.....

23 posted on 12/07/2006 9:40:26 AM PST by llevrok (When you outlaw flying carpets, only Terrorists will fly planes.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

That 1960s flying Edsel is going to fly passengers at a lower cost per seat mile with better amenities than their up-to-the-minute A380 design. If it is not going to be cheaper per seat mile, what is the justification for the larger, more inefficient, design?

And, no, "bragging rights" doesn't count.


24 posted on 12/07/2006 10:40:23 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Many Americans are invested in a US failure in Iraq, and will work diligently to bring it about.)
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To: technically right
His speculation is that Flight 800 experienced a runaway hydraulic pump (flight crew couldn't get it off line) and the hydraulic fluid got exceedingly hot which in turn heated the fuel in the center tank to it's flash point.

Good theory except for one minor point. The center fuel tank on Flight 800 was empty on takeoff.

25 posted on 12/07/2006 10:58:46 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: llevrok

" (ok. it feels "elite".But I'm worth it (!)). "

We are Freepers, we are "elite" and we are worth it. In fact, we're worth more than lots of some others in the brains and astute insights departments.


26 posted on 12/07/2006 3:11:15 PM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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