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First, the Jews; Now Gibson Angers the Maya
IMDB.com ^ | 7 December 2006

Posted on 12/07/2006 7:11:02 PM PST by paudio

Some descendants of the Maya tribes depicted in Mel Gibson's Apocalypto have denounced the movie as racist and not representative of their ancient culture. In an interview with Reuters, Ignacio Ochoa, director of the Nahual Foundation, said, "Gibson replays, in glorious big budget Technicolor, an offensive and racist notion that Maya people were brutal to one another long before the arrival of Europeans and thus they deserved, in fact, needed, rescue." Lucio Yaxon, described by Reuters as a 23-year-old Mayan human rights activist, added, "Basically, the director is saying the Mayans are savages." Today's (Thursday) Los Angeles Times noted that archaeologist Richard Hansen was on hand throughout the shooting of the film, lending his advice to the production team. Production designer Tom Sanders told the newspaper, "It was really fun to say [to Hansen], 'Is there any proof they didn't do this?' When he said, 'There is no proof they didn't do that, ' that gives you some license to play."


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KEYWORDS: apocalypto; gibson; maya; mel; melgibson; savagebeasts
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So, we cannot make any movie now over an objection by a 23-year old "cultural activist"?
1 posted on 12/07/2006 7:11:03 PM PST by paudio
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To: paudio

Some descendants of the Maya tribes wanted some attention and maybe even a buck or two.


2 posted on 12/07/2006 7:13:27 PM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: paudio

I don't see Mel sweating the "Maya"!


3 posted on 12/07/2006 7:14:08 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: paudio

I think they're taking those Geico commercials too seriously.


4 posted on 12/07/2006 7:14:36 PM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: paudio

I wonder if "cultural activist" is listed in the U.S. Department of Commerce Employment Outlook Handbook of 2006 and what the going wages are.


5 posted on 12/07/2006 7:15:13 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: D.P.Roberts

I can't stand the Cave man in those commercials. Arrogant.


6 posted on 12/07/2006 7:16:49 PM PST by unkus
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To: paudio
"Basically, the director is saying the Mayans are savages."

Human sacrifice=Savages

Mel ought to pimp slap this kid.....or pay him off!

7 posted on 12/07/2006 7:16:52 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: paudio
I'm not particularly a fan of Gibson. I happen to have an interest in Mesoamerican and South American pre-columbian cultures though and I'm sorry, they were savages. Many great advancements that have fascinated me for many years doesn't eliminate the sacrificial practices.
8 posted on 12/07/2006 7:17:52 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I like your first suggestion-slap him. Please don't pay him off!!


9 posted on 12/07/2006 7:18:17 PM PST by brigada
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To: paudio

Why am I thinking of the Geico "caveman" commercial ?


10 posted on 12/07/2006 7:19:22 PM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: paudio

Reads like a script for a Geico's "cavemen" ad.


11 posted on 12/07/2006 7:20:06 PM PST by alecqss
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To: brigada

The "activist" is probably thrilled to get the publicity and can be counted on to milk it for everything he can get.


12 posted on 12/07/2006 7:20:24 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: prov1813man

Darn, you beat me by seconds...


13 posted on 12/07/2006 7:20:45 PM PST by alecqss
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To: paudio
"Basically, the director is saying the Mayans are savages."

No, he's saying Mayans WERE savages.

14 posted on 12/07/2006 7:21:15 PM PST by perfect stranger (Tagline tomorrow, tagline yesterday, but no tagline today.)
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To: paudio

I remember reading years ago about 1 mayan king that sacrificed 8000 innocents in 1 year to dedicate a single temple. They were precursors to TROP!!


15 posted on 12/07/2006 7:21:53 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini (What do you call 2 toddlers and some duct tape??........muslim body armor!!!!!!!)
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To: paudio

"Basically, the director is saying the Mayans are savages."

Oh Mel, Mel, Mel. Next you'll be making a movie about Muslims that portrays them as savages, too. Rude.


16 posted on 12/07/2006 7:21:59 PM PST by TXBlair (Copperas Cove Bulldawgs: State-Bound, One Paw at a Time)
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To: paudio
Isn't the savage Chavez a Mayan descendant?

(Or is it Incan?)

17 posted on 12/07/2006 7:23:05 PM PST by what's up
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To: kinoxi

Many Europeans of the so-called pre-Columbian era were savages too. Human life in those times other than your own had little value to almost any culture.


18 posted on 12/07/2006 7:23:14 PM PST by L`enn
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To: kinoxi
The Mayas, sad to say, were mean to each other. They regularly fought wars and sacrificed enemies.

For pete's sake they stuck thorns through their foreskins and drippled the blood for religious purposes.

In the end, a massive Bermuda High that lasted 300 years AND internecine warfare destroyed their civilization long before the arrival of any Europeans (other than the guys who came in 800 AD and passed along knowledge of the bow and arrow).

19 posted on 12/07/2006 7:23:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: prov1813man

Mel: "Honestly, we didn't know you guys were still around."


20 posted on 12/07/2006 7:24:07 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: perfect stranger

No, he's saying Mayans WERE savages.


Exactly! Every culture on this Earth has had dark periods.

After all, if blood didn't flow, how could the sun rise...?


21 posted on 12/07/2006 7:24:09 PM PST by padre35 (We are surrounded, that simplifies our problem Chesty Puller)
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To: what's up

The savage Chavez is a descendant of South American headhunters, not the Maya.


22 posted on 12/07/2006 7:24:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: paudio

I've had Mayan tourist guides at both Tulum and Chitzen Itza describe the culture apologetically, and I don't need an apology.

The culture was brutal, and it can't be denied. At least by anyone who shouldn't be called a fool.


23 posted on 12/07/2006 7:24:41 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: alecqss

Happens. The other day, when tiny tom "announced" he wasn't running for Pres. My first thought was "ok, me neither then".

When I went to post it, many had beat me to it.

Great minds you know.


24 posted on 12/07/2006 7:26:02 PM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: L`enn
The institutions for commiting mass murder were less centralized across the ocean (Europe) at that time. The spectacles of bloodshed simply aren't comparable.
25 posted on 12/07/2006 7:27:51 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Anti-Bubba182
savages." Sel vedge: Dweller of the green forest.

Selvege, then became salvage, then savage. It was only when the explorers saw the extreme brutality of the Indians that the word "savage" took on it's new meaning.

Even our Declaration of Independence has this new meaning in it.
26 posted on 12/07/2006 7:28:51 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (ISLAM "If you donít know what you have to fear, you will not survive."---Hirsi Ali)
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To: popdonnelly

That was funny, thanks for the chuckle.


27 posted on 12/07/2006 7:29:47 PM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: TXBlair

"the Mayans are savages."

Exactly.


28 posted on 12/07/2006 7:32:20 PM PST by cydcharisse
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To: muawiyah

Tell me about the Bermuda high, if you don't mind? Thanks.


29 posted on 12/07/2006 7:32:24 PM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: padre35

...If a tree falls in a forest you might not hear it, but it still falls.


30 posted on 12/07/2006 7:32:46 PM PST by perfect stranger (Tagline tomorrow, tagline yesterday, but no tagline today.)
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To: popdonnelly
Mel: "Honestly, we didn't know you guys were still around."

LOL... "it's so easy even a movie director can do it"...

31 posted on 12/07/2006 7:34:33 PM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: prov1813man

What, pray tell, are you talking about?

32 posted on 12/07/2006 7:36:15 PM PST by ThreeYearLurker
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To: paudio
Here is the profile of the consultant:

Dr. Richard D. Hansen is a specialist on the early Maya and is the Director of the Mirador Basin Project in northern Guatemala. He was an Assistant Research Scientist (Level IV) with the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at UCLA until Dec. 2003. He is the founder and president of the Foundation for Anthropological Research and Environmental Studies (FARES), a non-profit scientific research institution, now based in Washington, D.C. He graduated with a Ph.D. in Archaeology from UCLA in January 1992. He previously held a double major B.S. degree in Spanish and Archaeology from Brigham Young University in 1978, and a M.S. degree in Anthropology in 1984. While a Ph.D. student at UCLA, he was selected by the U.S. Department of Education as a National Graduate Fellow and a Jacob Javits Fellow from all college and university students throughout the nation in the arts, humanities, and social sciences for five years. He was named the UCLA Distinguished Scholar in 1988, a Fulbright Scholar in 1990, the UCLA Outstanding Graduate Student in 1991, and the UCLA Chancellor's Marshall in 1992. He has published 69 papers and book chapters in scientific and popular publications and has presented more than 145 professional papers in scientific symposia throughout the world. He has conducted and/or directed archaeological research in Israel, the U.S. Great Basin, the U.S. Southwest, and Central America.

33 posted on 12/07/2006 7:36:41 PM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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"Basically, the director is saying the Mayans are savages."

Well, clearly there is only one way to disprove this; strap Mel to a stone table and cut his heart out. Works for muslims...

34 posted on 12/07/2006 7:42:01 PM PST by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: paudio

It's impossible to not offend anyone anymore.


35 posted on 12/07/2006 7:44:29 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: ThreeYearLurker

Love that cave man character, for some reason, he resonates with me. Especially that idiotic airline terminal conveyor belt scene.


36 posted on 12/07/2006 7:44:47 PM PST by bvw
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To: unkus

I think they're a parody of homos.


37 posted on 12/07/2006 7:46:02 PM PST by streetpreacher (RUDY/ROMNEY 2008: Supporting Marriage between a man and a woman, then a woman, then a woman...)
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To: popdonnelly
Mel: "Honestly, we didn't know you guys were still around."

Mayan #1; "I'll have the human heart with mango salsa."

Mayan #2; "Nothing for me thank you, I seem to have lost my appetite."

38 posted on 12/07/2006 7:46:04 PM PST by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: 70times7

LOL! That's hilarious!


39 posted on 12/07/2006 7:47:35 PM PST by streetpreacher (RUDY/ROMNEY 2008: Supporting Marriage between a man and a woman, then a woman, then a woman...)
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To: ThreeYearLurker

Ok, duck with mango salsa all around. It appears that was a very effective commercial, although, I didn't buy their insurance.


40 posted on 12/07/2006 7:49:04 PM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: paudio; All
Who will be the next ethnic victims of this monster of cinema?
The Finns, the Inuit, or the Tierra Del Fuegans?
Can No one stop this cultural cinemacide?


:~)
41 posted on 12/07/2006 7:49:35 PM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping Gamla Cabernet..)
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To: bvw

they need to work those cavemen into the Miller lite "Man Law" commercials-


42 posted on 12/07/2006 7:50:11 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: mrmargaritaville
You live, I'd suppose by your handle, in a warm, sunny, beach-type climate. Exactly the kind of place I like, on ocasssion, to mix lime juice with my beer. But they banned that kind of beer on those man-law commericals.

What would they say to my mixing bloody mary mix and beer? Just the thing when I have a headache and need a drink.

43 posted on 12/07/2006 7:54:38 PM PST by bvw
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If I were Gibson, I'd write a Mayan apology on my butt cheeks and show it whenever the issue came up.


44 posted on 12/07/2006 7:55:59 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: 70times7

That's great!


45 posted on 12/07/2006 8:03:59 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: muawiyah
Historical Review: Megadrought And Megadeath In 16th Century Mexico (Hemorrhagic Fever)

"The epidemic of cocoliztli from1545 to 1548 killed an estimated 5 million to 15 million people, or up to 80% of the native population of Mexico (Figure 1). In absolute and relative terms the 1545 epidemic was one of the worst demographic catastrophes in human history, approaching even the Black Death of bubonic plague, which killed approximately 25 million in western Europe from 1347 to 1351 or about 50% of the regional population."

"The cocoliztli epidemic from 1576 to 1578 cocoliztli epidemic killed an additional 2 to 2.5 million people, or about 50% of the remaining native population."

46 posted on 12/07/2006 8:05:49 PM PST by blam
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To: paudio

What does Maya Angelou have against the movie?


47 posted on 12/07/2006 8:06:26 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: paudio

Sounds interesting and a "will see" for me..saw the trailer of the making of the film and that was interesting in itself.


48 posted on 12/07/2006 8:13:01 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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Official Apocalyto website with trailer.

Looks good. Bones through their noses, lots of tattoos, spear chucking, sacrifice, jaguars, jungle temples, cut throats. I'm there, Mel.

49 posted on 12/07/2006 8:14:15 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: paudio

50 posted on 12/07/2006 8:18:27 PM PST by A. Pole (John McCain: "Pick lettuce!" - http://projectusa.org/sub/forums/lettucepatch/index.php)
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