Posted on 12/08/2006 3:50:26 PM PST by paulat
Lock was cut on gate barring road San Francisco man died close to feed, shelter in wilderness, officials say The Associated Press Updated: 3:25 p.m. PT Dec 8, 2006 CENTRAL POINT, Ore. - A San Francisco man who got stranded with his family in the snowy wilderness had taken a wrong turn in the car down a logging road that is normally blocked by a gate, but vandals had cut the lock, authorities said Friday.
James Kim, 35, was found dead of exposure in a mountain creek Wednesday, two days after his wife and the couple's two daughters were rescued from the car.
The gate had been locked for the winter Nov. 1, after the end of deer hunting season, so that "people don't mistakenly go down that road," said Patty Burel, spokeswoman for the federal Bureau of Land Management.
Searchers looking for the family found the gate open, Burel said. An investigation is under way to find out who cut the lock.
The one-lane strip of pavement known as Bear Camp Road is often used in summer by Rogue River rafters and in winter by hunters, cross-country skiers and families cutting Christmas trees.
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Then I guess they can't blame this on the internet mapping services. Tell the lawyers to go home now.
I dislike Vandals very much. They wreck everything. They wreck their own bus stops and pay phones. It does not make sense at all.
He worked for CNET...I also work in tech. If I am going somewhere, I print out a map from the biggest map services.
I think this will have a lot of map services putting a disclaimer on their output.
There seems to be a huge MSM effort to absolve this "hero" dad. My opinion is that he made a number of boneheaded mistakes that endangered his family and cost him his life. He is a classic case of a guy who didn't want to cut his losses (i.e. turn back) and instead wanted to improvise some elegant solution in a context of extreme uncertainty. Such behavior is not heroic whan one is responsible for two tiny children.
Please don't go there. Many of us spent days on a thread that looked at all angles. You just came here and spouted. Please look up the previous threads.
Also..."heroism" is not necessarily being "right."
Heroism is doing what you think is best.
The firefighters going UP the stairs in the WTC did not do the "right" thing. They did what they thought was "best."
I really have to wonder why that area was not searched the first day given that they knew the family was roughly in that area.
I'll bet they rarely think they could hurt anyone other than themselves. Like people that swim in off limits quarries and are drowned or injured and a rescue crew arrives and loses one of their own trying to save the law breakers life.
Whole story is just so sad.
Nobody is reported as a "missing person" after one day. By the time people started to worry (4 or 5 days), the search was underway. Apparently, they didn't make it a big deal to "check-in" with family. I know when I travel, I certaintly have never done that. It was only after a couple of days that it started to get noticed.
You do? I bring a GPS with topo maps whenever I travel in unfamiliar areas.
We off-roaders usually break a new trail around the gate. Not wanting to cut someones lock and setting the detour as a barricade to the 'mall utility vehicles'.
And cause we like to break new trail.
In any case he should have known something was wrong when branches started scratching his paint and turned around.
Anybody know what he was driving?
Please...please stop. You obviously have not read the thousands (THOUSANDS!!) of posts that have been on FR since this started. Please read other posts before you put out twaddle.
Thanks!
I heard Subaru, not sure what model.
wow...
EXcuseeeeeeeeeeeeee me Paulet for my twaddle. Its actually common sense and good advice. And I did read the posts all day. You commented this...Apparently, they didn't make it a big deal to "check-in" with family. I know when I travel, I certaintly have never done that. Well Paulet it seems to me thats twadddle and stupid not to call home. Have a nice night and thanks!!!
What a crappy definition of "hero".
A hero is someone who lives a life dedicated to preserving the lives of others ... PERIOD. He put them into the situation, therefore, regardless of what he did after he screwed up, he is not the hero.
Pick the brave people who put thier own lives on the line, suffering cold, fatigue, and elements to find this bonehead, and call THEM heros, and I will be 100% behind you, but James Kim will never, ever, be a hero in my book. And yes, I posted on the other threads too.
mostly it's just media needing to fill up their "quota" of daily "happenings"
could you imagine what it would have been like to have this kind of coverage when the 1800s pioneers were crossing the continent to the west?
My son is in Scouts. One of the reasons is that I think this skill is so important. Ask Jeff Head about the need to train young men in survival tactics. You get lost in Idaho and that's it.
Ut oh watch out you might get the twaddle word hurled at you. I think he was ill prepared and would have been better off staying with the car. He tried to get help for his family but failed. A hero would have gotten the help. I believe the correct term for this man may be a tragic hero. This whole story is so sad and its a shame but maybe now people will be more alert to where they are going and how to be prepared for driving in unknown places. Prayers for his family.
Seems that everything that could go wrong, went wrong. A tragedy that cannot be undone.
We hope and pray that the family finds some peace and that many who think to take such trips will think about preparations for such excursions.
It's a place for some heartfelt advice and prayers for the family.
Thx, Friend! You know what we all meant!
It's so irritating after all these days to have someone come up and sanctimoniously say the "carry a flashlight in your car" cr@p!!!
Very nice summation.
Read my posts before you attack me. I CLEARLY gave advice and I have been praying for this family since day 1. As for perfect please show me where I claim to be sooooooo perfect. You can't. Because I never claimed to be nor did I deserve to get the twaddle word hurled at me . And thanks for calling me perfect, I don't hear that often. As for bragging about what I do, it makes sense to call home and tell people where you are. Prayers for the Kim family and you have a nice night now.
Surfer posted some new links with new information here...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1750731/posts
That's not the thread of course. I will try again...
Thanks so much...Admin Mod, pls delete my thread...it has been ruined by some nasty comments. I'll let surfer's thread take over.
Surfers links were on the Big Thread. I was going to link them and messed up the formating. Giving up here..
reminds me of the things you see about kids stealing a stop sign and then someone dying as a result of running thru what was a stop.
He is dead. What does it matter whether people want to absolve him or not. He is dead. Let it rest.
If he couldn't get a consistent cell phone signal (yes there was a ping but not a consistent signal) then he probably couldn't get a signal from the GPS satellite either. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Not necessarily true. You can get a GPS signal wherever you can get a clear view of the sky, unlike cell phones which use terrestrial towers.
Any way you figure it California lost one of the very few real men it had left.
His actions were that of a man.
He stood for his family.
He earned the TITLE; of MAN
He did it as too few would these days.
Thanks, warrior...you sum it up very well....
Goths are a pain, too. I'm ok with Alans.
He worked at CNET and got everything for free. Where was his satellite phone? GPS? CB radio? Hello?
Please read the previous tags with THOUSANDS of responses, and you won't embarass yourself with that comment.
http://recco.com/startsida/index.asp
Of course...these guys had no idea that they were in danger....but these chips look interesting!
Getting lost and dying does not make you a hero. Stop embarrassing yourself by insulting people who tell you the truth.
We disagree. Thanks for the message.
They were in a Saab. I think a Subaru might have kept them going.
Just goes to show you that no matter how heroic and admirable one's conduct is there is always someone around to criticize it.
Making an effort, trying with all your heart, does.
What does this mean? I am asking a sincere question.
Your comment makes no sense at all. I am not a big techie like this guy was. Yet I have an Iridium sat phone with 500 minutes and solar recharger. I have an old CB radio "in case". These things take up little room above the spare tire. I have watched this guy review everything from $2,000 phones to high-end car GPS/audio hybrid systems. I was surprised to see how low tech his actual car setup was. Not a dig at him. He was a true hero. But very surprised indeed given his profession.
Be Prepared
I travel in areas where it is easy to get lost, I have done it several times, but I do know how to get unlost.
I now use GPS on my Palm or notebook and always have a shovel, blanket and water in my SUV. I use to carry USGS topo maps before GPS.
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