Posted on 12/12/2006 12:03:41 PM PST by DogBarkTree
I never thought of Snopes as the last word on anything.
I thought the photo of Jane Fonda posing on an enemy anti-aircraft gun and grinning like a schoolgirl was enough to get her indicted and convicted for treason. That is documented. Anything else she did is just extra.
America made a serious mistake in not prosecuting violations of the law in her case and a number of other peaceniks.
[I never thought of Snopes as the last word on anything.]
They put it pretty straight but lean hard left when you get to the political stuff. You will see "rumors" about the Clinton's take on a different feel than "rumors" about the Bush's
I have no use or respect for Jane Fonda, and I can't fault the guy involved in the spitting tale. As long as he was willing to pay the penalty for the assault, that was his adult decision to make--like MLK violating the court injunction in Birmingham against a non-permitted parade. Since I was fortunate enough to avoid becoming a POW during my time in SEA, it is not my place, nor that of anyone who did not endure that experience, to be critical of those fellows' reactions even to this day. The Barbara Walters special and designation is a meaningless and vacuous event not worth the time to condemn it.
"I never thought of Snopes as the last word on anything"
I have seen several instances where they were wrong. One was during the census. The urban legend was that census takers were asking for SS#s. Snopes refuted it, but it was later confirmed in national news (for certain areas only). I don't think Snopes ever retracted their statements.
We will NEVER forget !!
Barbara Walters? Who gives a rats ass what she thinks.
The Fonda trip became unforgettable because it infuriated Americans, especially Americans in uniform, many of whom still regard her as a traitor. She praised the North Vietnamese, posed for a photo at a Communist anti-aircraft gun emplacement, made several radio broadcasts for the Communist North Vietnamese in which she called American military leaders "war criminals," then when some of the POWs returned home and described mistreatment by the North Vietnamese, she said Americans should "...not hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars."
There is no dispute that her visit took place and that her words and actions were in support of the enemy. This particular email includes three stories, two of which have been denied by the POWs who are named, and one of which has been confirmed as true by the source, although he was not named in the email.
First, the "100 Women of the Century" was a project of the Ladies Home Journal and a TV special hosted by Barbara Walters. Jane Fonda was one of the 100. How the email story about the POWs got started is not known, but it has been widely circulated.
TruthOrFiction.com located Jerry Driscoll who said that the accounts about him in the email are "...the product of a very vivid imagination" and he requests that people please stop passing it on to others.
TruthOrFiction.com also contacted Mike McGrath, of Nam-POWs, who says the Larry Carrigan events never happened either. He says Carrigan calls the story a "hoax" and does not want to be associated with it. McGrath also says that some versions of the email include an account from a Dave Hoffman and that his story is true. Hoffman says he was tortured (hung by a broken arm) until he agreed to go before Jane Fonda. He was among a small group who witnessed one of her radio broadcasts for Hanoi. The part of the email that begins with "To Whom it may concern" is true. It's a quote from an article titled SHAME ON JANE originally published on the Advocacy And Intelligence Index website on April 28, 1999 and written by Michael Benge who was a civilian captured by the North Vietnamese in 1968.
In his statement, he also makes reference to a missionary nurse who died in captivity.
For your interest, that was Betty Olsen, a Christian Missionary Alliance nurse from New York.
In 1988 in an interview with Barbara Walters on 20/20, Jane Fonda talked about her Vietnam visit and issued what some feel was an apology but which her critics say was not enough.
Fonda said, "I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of the things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm...very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."
In 2005, Fonda published her autobiography in which she described in detail her decision to go to North Vietnam. She said it was primarily motivated by her desire to document the U.S. bombing of important dikes that, if destroyed, could kill tens of thousands of people and devastate the lives of millions. The U.S. had denied the bombings. In the book, Fonda is unapologetic about the trip or her participation in broadcasts on radio Hanoi but regrets the pictures taken of her at the gun emplacement. She said it made it appear as though she was celebrating armaments aimed at American planes, which was not how she felt and was not the context in which the pictures were taken. She reminds readers that the U.S. investigated her trip and found no reason to bring any charges against her. She also describes her longstanding support of, and interaction with, U.S. military personnel and says her only beef was with the U.S. government, not the troops.
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