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Soy is making kids 'gay'
WorldNetDaily ^ | 12/12/06 | Jim Rutz

Posted on 12/13/2006 10:38:31 AM PST by Sonora

There's a slow poison out there that's severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture. The ironic part is, it's a "health food," one of our most popular. Now, I'm a health-food guy, a fanatic who seldom allows anything into his kitchen unless it's organic. I state my bias here just so you'll know I'm not anti-health food.

The dangerous food I'm speaking of is soy. Soybean products are feminizing, and they're all over the place. You can hardly escape them anymore.

I have nothing against an occasional soy snack. Soy is nutritious and contains lots of good things. Unfortunately, when you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you're also getting substantial quantities of estrogens.

Estrogens are female hormones. If you're a woman, you're flooding your system with a substance it can't handle in surplus. If you're a man, you're suppressing your masculinity and stimulating your "female side," physically and mentally.

In fetal development, the default is being female. All humans (even in old age) tend toward femininity. The main thing that keeps men from diverging into the female pattern is testosterone, and testosterone is suppressed by an excess of estrogen.

If you're a grownup, you're already developed, and you're able to fight off some of the damaging effects of soy. Babies aren't so fortunate. Research is now showing that when you feed your baby soy formula, you're giving him or her the equivalent of five birth control pills a day. A baby's endocrine system just can't cope with that kind of massive assault, so some damage is inevitable. At the extreme, the damage can be fatal.

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This article is getting a lot of press out on the net. I find it a little embarrassing that this is being presented and interpreted as a conservative view of the matter. A eat a lot of Soy products for health reasons.

Does this article represent the general conservative view? I know that eating soy = not some sort of tree hugger mentality around here, but it's just a food product - now it's making people gay? This is truly laughable and conservatives are being laughed at because of it.

By the way, the conservative view of being gay is that it's wired that way from birth, correct? It's acting out that gayness that is a huge problem and a choice, right? It has nothing to do with food intake, right?

1 posted on 12/13/2006 10:38:33 AM PST by Sonora
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To: Sonora

Liberals are not liberal.


2 posted on 12/13/2006 10:40:41 AM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Sonora

We ate soybeans when I was a kid........hmmm.........


3 posted on 12/13/2006 10:41:53 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Sonora
By the way, the conservative view of being gay is that it's wired that way from birth, correct?

Uh, no, that's the liberal view. We believe that homosexuality is a choice, a lack of moral fortitude.

Besides, homosexuality would have to pass on the gene if it were a gene, and gays don't reproduce.
4 posted on 12/13/2006 10:41:58 AM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Sonora

Too much soy is also known to supress thyroid function. I think a little soy in the diet is probably healthy, because is is low-fat protien. But, like everything else, it should be taken in moderation.


5 posted on 12/13/2006 10:42:54 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: TeenagedConservative

Tuti-Fruiti Tofuti?.........


6 posted on 12/13/2006 10:43:08 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Sonora

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1752578/posts


7 posted on 12/13/2006 10:43:12 AM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: Sonora
By the way, the conservative view of being gay is that it's wired that way from birth, correct? It's acting out that gayness that is a huge problem and a choice, right? It has nothing to do with food intake, right?
Whoever comes up with the definitive answers to your questions is going to be a Nobel laureate.
8 posted on 12/13/2006 10:43:18 AM PST by eastsider
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To: Sonora

As a man who ingests a lot of soy products, I am not concerned about this in the least. In fact, I am more than happy with my new breasts. They're very perky!


9 posted on 12/13/2006 10:43:27 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm boycotting Best Buy, so yay for me.)
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To: TeenagedConservative
We believe that homosexuality is a choice, a lack of moral fortitude.

And who anointed you the spokesman for conservatives?

The idea of it being a pure choice is also silly. I'm not gay because I chose not to be gay, I'm not gay because I've never had the slightest sexual interest in other men.

Heck, I wish I WAS Gay - I'd get laid much more easily, dress better, and have a better decorated apartment.

10 posted on 12/13/2006 10:45:00 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Sonora
Overall, this article is a load of crap. The author's interpretation of basic endocrinological data is simply wrong.

Perinatal testosterone masculinizes.
Perinatal estrogen, contrary to conventional (but erroneous) wisdom, also masculinizes.
Adult administration of estrogen to normal males, in large doses, can feminize certain structures, e.g., gynecomastia.
Adult administration of estrogen to normal males does not feminize behavior.

11 posted on 12/13/2006 10:45:45 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Sonora

I have a friend who believe that the government should put poison in all the vegetables, and the antidote in meat.


12 posted on 12/13/2006 10:46:58 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Red Badger

Don't worry: The antidote is readily available at the friendly, neighborhood butcher shop.


13 posted on 12/13/2006 10:47:21 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Sonora

lift weights


14 posted on 12/13/2006 10:47:43 AM PST by larryjohnson (USAF(Ret))
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To: Sonora

Never heard this before. This article sounds a little off the wall to me.


15 posted on 12/13/2006 10:48:01 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Sonora

Never heard this before. This article sounds a little off the wall to me.


16 posted on 12/13/2006 10:48:02 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

LOL!!!

Thanks for the laugh!


17 posted on 12/13/2006 10:50:19 AM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: colorado tanker
This article sounds a little off the wall to me.

Well, it IS from World Net Daily. Being off the wall is a given.

18 posted on 12/13/2006 10:51:11 AM PST by Constitution Day ("Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley)
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To: Sonora
Does this article represent the general conservative view?

A lot of conservatives long for "the good old days" when "men were men and women were in the kitchen getting them dinner and a beer".

So yes, conservatives are looking for some way to turn back the clock. Unfortuneately for them, banning soy is not going to do it.

Technology has made it more important to be smart and patient, than strong and manly. What that means, women are getting to be more and more equal in most aspects of society.

19 posted on 12/13/2006 10:51:43 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Sonora

My peep has been on the fritz lately. Must be the soy.


20 posted on 12/13/2006 10:52:43 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: Red Badger

LOL!!


21 posted on 12/13/2006 10:52:59 AM PST by Millee (Tagline free since 10/20/06)
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To: Sonora

Just the latest example of WingNutDaily embarrasing itself. It's the one news source where I actually feel dumber after reading it.


22 posted on 12/13/2006 10:53:05 AM PST by gdani (Save the cheerleader, save the world)
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To: Sonora

There is research that processed soy leads to mental degeneration.

That wouldn't correspond to moral degeneration but is certainly more credible than claiming that someone is a crossdresser by getting the "wear the member of the opposite sex's clothes" gene. We are born naked. Clothes are fashion dictated by culture.


23 posted on 12/13/2006 10:53:37 AM PST by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Sonora

Hmmmmm....eating too much soy can lead to homosexuality?Author,"All humans(even in old age)tend toward femininity."Say what????I ck out the articles on WND from time to time,most are well written,but every once in a while....


24 posted on 12/13/2006 10:54:44 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: Sonora
Soybean products are feminizing, and they're all over the place

I guess the Soy & Rice based diet neatly explains the Japanese actions of WWII then. It was nothing more that diet induced PMS!!!

25 posted on 12/13/2006 10:54:50 AM PST by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
In fact, I am more than happy with my new breasts.

You don't get half as much done in a day as you used, too, I bet.

26 posted on 12/13/2006 10:55:03 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Sonora
Does this article represent the general conservative view?

Evidently you're one of those people who think science is a political tool rather than a discipline based upon empirical observation. You probably also believe that we know everything about global climate and can control it by changing human behavior.

The empirical fact is that soy contains estrogen analogs..

http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/food/soy_story.html

Male infants experience a testosterone surge during the first few months of life and produce androgens in amounts equal to those of adult men. So much testosterone at such a tender age is needed to program the body for puberty, the time when a male's sex organs should develop and he should begin to express male characteristics such as facial and pubic hair and a deep voice. If receptor sites intended for the hormone testosterone are occupied by soy estrogens, however, appropriate development may never take place.71-74 To date, most of the evidence damning soy formula can be found only in animal studies, because investigations in which humans' sex hormone levels are lowered experimentally cannot ethically be done. However, in the years since soy formula has been in the marketplace, parents and pediatricians have reported growing numbers of boys whose physical maturation is either delayed or does not occur at all. Breasts, underdeveloped gonads, undescended testicles (cryptorchidism), and steroid insufficiencies are increasingly common. Sperm counts are also falling.75-79

Soy formula is bad news for girls as well. Natural estrogen levels approximately double during the first month of life, then decline and remain at low levels until puberty. With increased estrogens in the environment in the diet, an alarming number of girls are entering puberty much earlier than normal.80-82 One percent of girls now show signs of puberty, such as breast development or pubic hair, before the age of three. By the age of eight, 14.7 percent of Caucasian girls and 48.3 percent of African American girls had one or both of these characteristics.83 The fact that blacks experience earlier puberties than whites is not a racial difference but a recent phenomenon.84, 85

27 posted on 12/13/2006 10:55:27 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Strategerist

Are our prisons filled with latent homosexuals or do people decide that they can engage in a certain sex act when they become desperate?


28 posted on 12/13/2006 10:55:55 AM PST by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: weegee

"Clothes are fashion dictated by culture."

Tell it to Brittany Spears. ;-)


29 posted on 12/13/2006 10:55:57 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: 3AngelaD

More info: Soy isoflavones are phyto-endocrine disrupters. At dietary levels, they can prevent ovulation and stimulate the growth of cancer cells. Eating as little as 30 grams (about 4 tablespoons) of soy per day can result in hypothyroidism with symptoms of lethargy, constipation, weight gain and fatigue.


30 posted on 12/13/2006 10:56:14 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: Constitution Day

the article is indeed kind of poorly written but a google search turned up an interesting article:

http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/food/soy_story.html

which concludes with:
"The bottom line is that the safety of soy foods has yet to be proven, and that human beings have become guinea pigs in what Daniel M. Sheehan, formerly senior toxicologist with the FDA's National Center for Toxicological Research, has called a "large, uncontrolled and basically unmonitored human experiment."

Environmental scientists are worried about low levels of estrogenic compounds in water -- giving soy to a baby may be a far worse threat....


31 posted on 12/13/2006 10:56:27 AM PST by Tirian
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To: dashing doofus

All this talk of war, it's no surprise that she went commando. Besides, think of it like a micro-thong. Maybe she really was wearing dental floss.


32 posted on 12/13/2006 10:57:07 AM PST by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: TeenagedConservative
Besides, homosexuality would have to pass on the gene if it were a gene, and gays don't reproduce.

You'd better tell Mary Cheney, who has a bun in the oven, and Pastor Ted Haggard, who has five children. You also need to brush up on your knowledge of genetics, since just because something is present from birth, that doesn't necessarily mean it was passed along through genes.
33 posted on 12/13/2006 10:57:21 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: Red Badger

Great tagline!


34 posted on 12/13/2006 10:58:21 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: Tirian

Have to wonder what effect it has on precocious puberty. Sex positive proponents are telling us that we must accept younger sexual activity because girls are "maturing" at younger ages (far below 10).


35 posted on 12/13/2006 10:58:50 AM PST by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: drjimmy

What do those people have to do with anything? I know that gay people exist. I also know that some are not "100%" gay.


36 posted on 12/13/2006 11:01:53 AM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Sonora
Absolute. Complete. Utter. Total. Bravo-Sierra. An embarassment to conservatives.

It boggles the mind: If this article containted even a grainule of truth, then the entireity of China would be up to its eyeballs in rainbow flags and bad techno.

37 posted on 12/13/2006 11:02:52 AM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Strategerist

I know you're making a point, but I can't quite lay a hand on it.


38 posted on 12/13/2006 11:03:35 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Sonora
Does this article represent the general conservative view?

Conservatives, IMHO, should support information based on sound science. This article isn't based on science, much less sound science. Conservatives should absolutely be embarrassed by this publication since this kind of looney tunes is normally reserved for those moonbats on the left.

39 posted on 12/13/2006 11:05:13 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Sonora

40 posted on 12/13/2006 11:06:27 AM PST by Perdogg (I'm Perdogg and I approved this message)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
In fact, I am more than happy with my new breasts.

You don't get half as much done in a day as you used, too, I bet.

Suffice to say I have discovered a huge difference between the meanings of "alone" versus "lonely".

I'm always near my two best friends, and it's ALWAYS "quality time".

41 posted on 12/13/2006 11:12:34 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm boycotting Best Buy, so yay for me.)
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To: Sonora

I think a reality check is in order here. Both the Japanese and the Chinese use soy products extensively. If soy products "feminized" males, then those societies ought to be top heavy with gay men - perfect test cases if you will.

In addition, I grew up vegetarian - used a lot of soy based meat substitutes. I eat meat now, ate meat while my children were growing up, but we still prefer the substitutes. My son is definitely all male (big muscles, combat medic, girl crazy). Most of my peers were also vegetarians - not one single solitary gay guy in the group. The peer group to which I belonged growing up had been consuming the soy products for generations. Again they should have been a perfect test case, but I'm willing to wager that the number of gay persons by population is very low for that group.


42 posted on 12/13/2006 11:15:08 AM PST by Roses0508 (Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity.)
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To: Sonora

There is also a food that reduces the female sex drive by 90%.


It's called "Wedding Cake."


43 posted on 12/13/2006 11:17:52 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: TeenagedConservative
What do those people have to do with anything? I know that gay people exist.

They have to do with your claim that "homosexuality would have to pass on the gene if it were a gene, and gays don't reproduce." So A)I pointed out two recently notable gay people who have reproduced or are in the process of doing so, and 2)I pointed out that just because something is wired from birth doesn't mean it comes from a gene.
44 posted on 12/13/2006 11:18:51 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: Sonora
By the way, the conservative view of being gay is that it's wired that way from birth, correct?

The short answer: NO!

The long answer: If your view of the world is limited to black and white, maybe; but I don't think so.
Our society insists on perpetuating the primitive tribal impulse to "have to belong"; We call it "parties". To participate in the democratic process we are forced to choose.
I do not have a label, nor do I wish to have one.
Superficially I am a registered Democrat, but have not voted fot that party 95% of my life, although I have on occasion voted for a Democrat. The dynamics are way beyond the limitations of this thread.

Let me just say that most educated, aware and informed adults will admit that the question is not presently one of science, but one of opinion. My personal view continues to be that "gayness" has always been and will continue to be a choice.

45 posted on 12/13/2006 11:41:16 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Sonora

wow, here I thought you had to sniff pickles or like it up the pooper to be gay. Who knew?


46 posted on 12/13/2006 11:49:23 AM PST by pipecorp ( Al Lahsucks...boat steersman....hell)
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To: weegee
"Are our prisons filled with latent homosexuals "

Yeah, right.....the "newbies" are given soy-laced diets.

47 posted on 12/13/2006 12:02:48 PM PST by traditional1
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Sonora
The empirical fact is that soy contains estrogen analogs

Yeah, so what? Saying that isoflavones are phytoestrogens is just another gross mischaracterization of the issue by those who don't understand it. Unlike estrogen, isloflavones are tissue selective and can have estrogen-like effects in some tissue but either no effects or antiestrogenic effects in other tissues. There are a number of recent studies that clearly show how different isoflavones are from estrogen. Applying the term phytoestrogen to isoflavones is terribly misleading since it doesn't fully or accurately describe isoflavones.

All your link has shown us is that correlations can be indicative but in most cases they don't prove a thing.

48 posted on 12/13/2006 12:06:01 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Rudder
Overall, this article is a load of crap. The author's interpretation of basic endocrinological data is simply wrong.

I always continue to wonder which is worse: to be wrong due to ignorance or to lie by ommision.
Aside from the medical jargon and the weapon of big words, I was struck by your clumsy attempt at derailing the main subject through sophistry.

In your various comments, you studiously avoided the critical period between a month after birth through adolescence.

49 posted on 12/13/2006 12:08:39 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: traditional1
In addition to this?

Cons Pretty in Pink Clink (Sheriff Joe Arpaio parades perps in pink, civil-libertarians seethe) (April 21, 2005)

Convicts were forced to march to a new top-security jail — wearing just pink underpants and flip-flops to deter escape bids.

Prison bosses reckoned the 700 hardmen would be too embarrassed to go on the run in gay-style garb.

Muscle-bound, tattooed thugs were linked with pink handcuffs for the two-mile hike. And when they reached the new clink in Phoenix, Arizona, one con had to cut a pink ribbon to open it.

Tough Sheriff Joe Arpaio said: “I put them on the street so everybody could see them. They can see this is what happens to people who break the law.”


50 posted on 12/13/2006 12:13:27 PM PST by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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