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A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
University of Auckland Department of Computer Science ^ | 23 December 2006 | Peter Gutmann

Posted on 12/23/2006 5:51:48 PM PST by IncPen

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To: Logophile
None of this would be considered necessary if not for the dishonest and greedy people who want to enjoy the fruits of other people's labor without paying for it.

Exactly. First example: the Walt Disney Corporation. For decades now the employees of Walt Disney have been reaping wild profits off of intellectual property they had no hand in creating. Almost all of the creators of the classic Disney characters are dead, yet these corporate types still leech off of ideas that they never had anything to do with. How? By paying/bribing Congress to extend copyright protection well beyond any reasonable duration. Why should Michael Eisner have made millions off of Mickey Mouse, which he neither created, bought, nor had anything to do with the popularity of? Return copyright to the original 7 years set by the Founding Fathers (or even to the life of the originator), and all of this mess would go away. Instead, copyright leeches are trying hard to use the force of government to make money off of ideas they never had anything to do with in the first place...

41 posted on 12/23/2006 7:24:47 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwt! Lr bi mst hord, solce!)
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To: IncPen
From the PC World article (http://www.pcw.co.uk/articles/print/2154785)linked to in the article:
It’s a different matter with the new generation of digital videos and music files. The major movie studios and recording companies have simply said that without copy protection there will be no high-resolution movies or CD-quality music. As a result, Microsoft has extended and improved upon the existing DRM in Windows XP.

From the article:
...so Microsoft will totally control the premium- content distribution channel. Not only will they be able to lock out any competitors, but because they will then represent the only available distribution channel they'll be able to dictate terms back to the content providers whose needs they are nominally serving in the same way that Apple has already dictated terms back to the music industry: Play by Apple's rules, or we won't carry your content.

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. The first says that content providers are demanding copy protection while the second says that Microsoft is using copy protection to dominate those very same content providers and that to do so they are willing to cripple Vista's performance and and its attraction to customers.
I know for a fact that the Dolby Digital Surround Sound 5.1 encoder in Ulead Video Studio 10 Plus wouldn't work as of the end of October, but I also know that Ulead (now Corel) promises a fix. I don't believe either Corel or Microsoft is suicidal.
42 posted on 12/23/2006 7:35:46 PM PST by ekwd (Murphy's Law Has Not Been Repealed)
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To: IncPen
Good post - thanks.
43 posted on 12/23/2006 7:42:02 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (We are but Seekers of Truth, not the Source.)
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To: IncPen

Have eyou ever tried to get a license fee for music? I was trying to make a DVD for my daughters basketball team. It was to include 3-4 different songs. After contacting ASCAP, I found out that I would have to secure a license from each label, and in turn the attorneys of each recording artist.

In the end, it simply was too confusing. I WOULD have paid for it. I am in the copyrighted content business, and I felt it would only be right and proper. It would have been a good example for the kids and their parents.

However, getting the rights to the music for 15-20 DVDs was simply not worth the effort.

Make the fees reasonable and easy to secure, and most people will do the right thing.


44 posted on 12/23/2006 7:42:37 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Nice reply - the dinosaur media companies and Microsoft have enough clout to make some things illegal that are flying in the face of what's sensible. They are motivated by enormous greed, not by what is sensible public policy.

If the church of the medieval monks had enough clout to outlaw the printing press, because it threatened an end run around their monopoly on hand copied books, that would not have make it right.

Sometimes the law reflects good. Sometimes it reflects greed.

This seems to be a pretty clear case of the latter.

45 posted on 12/23/2006 7:47:54 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (We are but Seekers of Truth, not the Source.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
"I'll probably get a free copy of it when I buy a new laptop next month, we will see."

It won't be free, costs are passed to the consumer.

46 posted on 12/23/2006 7:49:45 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Abcdefg

No, when you buy a computer from now until Mar, you get a free Vista CD/DVD in the mail. I would use it for the home PC for gaming.


47 posted on 12/23/2006 7:52:28 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: IncPen; All

Can someone provide a concise translation of this for the right-brained?

Thanks


48 posted on 12/23/2006 7:58:52 PM PST by Bookwoman
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To: ekwd

"The major movie studios and recording companies...."

well..there's opportunity for other business companies.....


49 posted on 12/23/2006 7:59:07 PM PST by mo
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To: Central Scrutiniser

The additional cost to me was in the cost of the supplies I used to prepare the documents for submission and the stamps. That's it.


50 posted on 12/23/2006 7:59:39 PM PST by ekwd (Murphy's Law Has Not Been Repealed)
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To: ekwd

Well, I'll install it, and if it improves my gaming, I'll be happy, but if it bollix's up other things, I will either remove it, or download hacks to fix it. Micro$oft hasn't been able to do any real damage with WGA for XP, anyone with a pirated version can bypass all of their controls in minutes.


51 posted on 12/23/2006 8:02:33 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I've had no trouble with WGA and I've been happily using XP since the night before it was released in 2001 (thanks to another evil corporation- WALMART).
But then my only experience with a really greedy computer company is with Apple.
52 posted on 12/23/2006 8:11:44 PM PST by ekwd (Murphy's Law Has Not Been Repealed)
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To: Dallas59
I just got XP working....Now I have to start all over again?

If I'm not mistaken, Vista won't be unleashed on the populace before the middle of January. After Christmas, notebooks and desktops should be dirt cheap. I'd stick with XP and buy now. Two of my former coworkers were beta-testing it and one loved it, but he had 4 gigs of RAM to power it. The other one hated it. The demo I saw didn't enthrall me. It seemed to me that it was much ado about nothing...

53 posted on 12/23/2006 8:12:38 PM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("By the time I'm finished with you, you're gonna wish you felt this good again" - Jack Bauer)
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To: Revel
This is an easy problem to fix. Don't buy it. Don't buy any computer that has it. Microsoft will change there tune then.

The problem is that the hardware manufacturers will need to build their hardware in such a way for it to work with Vista. By doing so, unless you get drivers to work with your OS, and those damned rules of "protection" are built in to the hardware, you won't be able to use the hardware with any OS not approved by MS!

I think that I might buy a few spare "bare bones" systems for parts. I think that XP will be the last MS OS that I purchase for my own personal use.

Mark

54 posted on 12/23/2006 8:13:39 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: ekwd

I meant that pirated XP can circumvent WGA very easily.

I nearly have enough old components for a second computer, I'll make that Linux.


55 posted on 12/23/2006 8:14:32 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: barb-tex
This means run OSX. The Bill Gates police wont get you if you dont run that stupid Windows.I dont care if Algore is on the Board as they have been sandal wearing pot smoking since forever, but still the best OS around for me. Of course I am still driving antiques anyway.

That's all well and good, as long as you don't need to use certain applications that require Windows to run. A situation like that is akin to having a wonderful camera, but no film available for it.

Mark

56 posted on 12/23/2006 8:17:10 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: IncPen
The thing that disturbed me is that MS doesn't want the "card" manufactures to provide "Open Source" drivers for their products (with penalties).
This is thrown in to put LINUX at a competitive disadvantage.
As Microsoft has a 90% market share, this then becomes an antitrust issue.
That level of anticompetitive activity works better in a dictatorship than a free economy.
The one complaint I ever had about John Ashcroft was that the Justice Department, under his leadership, let Microsoft off the hook.
57 posted on 12/23/2006 8:22:06 PM PST by WildBill2275 (The Second Amendment guarantees all of your other rights)
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To: IncPen
No, not automatically fail. . . .

Well, I am glad you clarified that; however, even if that is not what you intend, the end result could very well be the same.

Seemingly you are smart enough to be attuned to the market and willing to adjust your products to suit the market.

What market? If my property rights are not protected—if someone can take my work and give it to others without compensating me for it—then there is no meaningful market to speak of. (market n: "a meeting together of people for the purpose of trade by private purchase and sale.")

But you seem to be under the impression that you have the same rights as the record companies, the mainstream news outlets or the film and video production companies in regard to copyright issues. I'd suggest you look up the DMCA, or the 'Sonny Bono Act' to see what a few well placed millions will buy these days.

You seem to be under the impression that I should dislike big, bad media corporations because they have managed to get laws passed to protect their rights. As it happens, my books are published by one of those corporations. If they lose, so do I.

Perhaps the companies have more rights under the law than I do. But tell me, what rights do I retain when the "file sharers" distribute my work without compensating me?

Finally, I'd offer the observation (again) that the rise of Napster, file sharing, etc. is the unintended- and natural- consequence of a perversion of market efficiency by greedy producers of IP who are now enjoying their just desserts. And that that is undeniably a Good Thing.

Undeniably a Good Thing? Thus far you have not given me any reason to think so.

Apparently you believe that the producers of IP are greedy and therefore merit some kind of comeuppance for their greed. But who really are the greedy parties here? It seems to me that no one is greedier than those who expect to enjoy the work of others without paying for it.

58 posted on 12/23/2006 8:22:14 PM PST by Logophile
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To: sauropod

review


59 posted on 12/23/2006 8:23:31 PM PST by sauropod ("Come have some pie with me.")
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To: MarkL
. . . as long as you don't need to use certain applications that require Windows to run. A situation like that is akin to having a wonderful camera, but no film available for it.

Where have you been? Macs can run Windows apps either with (Bootcamp or Parallels) or without Windows (Crossover Mac).

60 posted on 12/23/2006 8:24:58 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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