Posted on 01/07/2007 10:45:17 AM PST by Winged Hussar
Then, just last month, the director of a DNA laboratory that tested samples taken from the woman testified that he and the prosecutor had agreed in May to withhold some of the findings. The exculpatory nature of the results - specifically, that the swabs included traces of semen from several men, none of them the Duke defendants - offer the strongest evidence yet that the prosecutor himself should be the subject of an investigation, and that he should have no further connection with this case.
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If I were in the players' place and Nifong suggested a plea bargain, I would tell him to his face--with the vilest profanity imaginable, reflecting on his personal character, ethics, and honor--what he could do with it, while adding that I would spend the rest of my life making sure that any disciplinary actions taken against him by his bar association (assuming that it finds him guilty of the ethics charges) follow him for the rest of his career. I would add that his family members and relatives will probably, (again, assuming that he is found guilty of the ethics charges), have to change their names from "Nifong" to anything else.
If Nifong is found guilty on the ethnics charges, a new verb, "to Nifong someone," should enter our vocabulary. E.g. "Wall Street Journal columns by Dorothy Rabinowitz show how the Amiraults and Grant Snowden were Nifonged by less-than-ethical prosecutors for personal political gain."
I've heard a claim that early on in this case ESPN reported that an "anonamous" source (one of the members of the Duke team who was at the party?) admitted that he and other members did have sex with the stripper while she was unconscious. I'm wondering if there is any validity to there being such a report from ESPN? I've not heard any such claim having been reported anywhere. Can anyone help on this?
The verb form of the thing will likely be "nife" as in " I've been nifed". This is the first time anybody has tried anything similar to one of Janet Reno's witchcraft persecutions in the internet age, a dozen years ago the Fong would have easily skated by with it. In fact there's one poor SOB (Frank Fuster) still rotting in a Flori-Duh prison for one of Reno's imaginary ritual abuse cases and you'd like to think that a republican governor like Jeb Bush might have done something about that by now...
But Nifong said a lot of crazy stuff that has since been proven completely unfounded, so did the usual fasci-feminist suspects on the talk shows. Some of it they attributed to "people close to the case" or "investigators". So it wouldn't surprise me if Nifong made up an "anonymous source" to bolster his case. He's broken just about every other ethical and prosecutorial rule, why not?
This whole sordid affair is surreal to say the least. Reality seems to elude people, namely the race baiters and the mentally afflicted enemy within.
What ever happened to tar and feathers, or being ridden out of town on a rail, or two rails, one for Nifong, one for the star slut of this story.
If they'd had sex with her, why was there NO DNA from ANY of the Duke players? And not just no semen from them in her vagina or rectum, but no trace DNA from hair, saliva, sweat,
etc . No one at that party had sex or any intimate contact with her. Five other men (none of them her boyfriend in name) did have sex with her on the day of the so-called rape-but not the Duke 3.
"I'm wondering if there is any validity to there being such a report from ESPN?"
A few weeks ago, they broke the news that Rich Rodriguez had accepted the head coaching job at Alabama. No truth to that either.
Yeah, I'd not heard any such claim either. I had a "conversation" with my son who claimed he heard a report on ESPN where someone on the team (who was not identified) claimed that those arrested in the case were indeed guilty, and my son bought the claim (if ESPN actually reported such a thing). Funny how ESPN could have made such a report but that it not be followed up on by any other news source. I'm not buying that someone made such a claim in truth, but my son tends to accept what he hears more easily. Your scenereo seems more likey to be what actually occurred.
No way. Timelines and DNA evidence (or lack thereof) say that is impossible.
Pinging the usual crew. This one was already published, right? Glad to see it getting printed more widely.
There just isn't any way any of those boys could have had sex with her and left NO DNA. Not physically possible.
ahem...they didn't test the black player.
I never heard such a claim and I've read or heard virtually everything there is to read and see about this case.
I have heard that "someone" offered her millions of dollars to drop the charges, but that came from her crazy cousin, Jakki, or however you spell it and I've never read it anywhere else.
The Rape Nazis on TV keep saying that "someone" has given Nifong something; quite simply, there is nothing to give.
That's a crappy thing to say; he has been out defending them.
My son claims that one of the Duke players not charged (but also not named by any source) was reported to have admitted that they did have sex with the stripper while she was unconscious, but that they used condoms. Supposedly this was reported by ESPN early in the investigation according to my son. Everything I've heard from the beginning of this case contradicts such a claim, but who knows what stories I might have missed. I'd think that if ESPN actually made such a report that other news sources would have also brought this up, but I've not read or heard from any other source regarding this. I'm not buying that some player who was never considered a suspect came out and made such a claim. Maybe Nifong believed there was someone on the team who made this claim and that was what he thought his ace in the hole was.
If you didn't hear it, don't have any verification that the claim was made on ESPN, it's hard to fathom why you would repeat such a scurrilous claim.
almost as crappy as not testing the everyone on the team.
Lets all hold our breath until the new black panther party apologizes for it's TV news love fest claiming da sistah waz ronged!
OK,, you can exhale now, just kidding.
The prosecutor had to turn over everything in his evidence file to the defense. Whatever your son told you, if there was anything like this in the defense file, I am certain we'd have heard it.
Also, the accuser said her attackers did not use condoms, no condoms were found at the site, and the DNA testing shows no evidence of condom use, which it would (lubricants, pubic hair, sloughed skin cells) had condoms been used.
In hindsight, that would have been a smart thing to do; that, of course, guarantees it wouldn't have been done by Nifong.
But your remark toward that player was uncalled for.
Never heard any such claim. Sounds like it deserves ESPN's "wishful thinking" award. Remember the DNA.
Actually the lack of it. No way. She obviously had sex with several men. But none of them were the Duke players.
I really don't like to tell you that your son is wrong, but he is.
There is no DNA from anyone at the party, however there is DNA from other men.
ESPN is not a good source for this story. There are numerous threads about this subject, that cover it from stem to stern. I'd point him to those, if he wants to know the truth. :)
Link back to old thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1763549/posts?page=101
I'm not "repeating" such a claim. I'm asking whether anyone on FR has heard that ESPN made such a report as suggested to me by my son. If there has been no such report (as I expect to be the case), then I can correct my son's claim that such was reported. That is my only purpose here. I do not believe that any player on the team made such a claim, and that Nifong used this case to win reelection.
Condoms leave trace evidence - the lab analysis included testing for it. None was found.
Tell your son he is spreading lies.
You mean her pimp?
There have been all sorts of claim by the rape Nazis. There is no evidence to support any of them. And the facts are:
1. Nifong can not have a secret witness and the NC discovery law requires that he disclose such a witness long ago.
2. The lacrosse players who were at the party have long ago been deposed by the defense. If they were going to testify to such a thing and lied at their deposition, they committed perjury.
3. The DNA tests found not a single cell from any white lacrosse team member on Mangum but did find cells of 5 or 7 or some number of other males.
4. Having sex with her passed out does not fit very well when the only evidence is her ID of three people. How did she ID people who did things to her when she was passed out? How did she fight and spit out semen when she was passed out?
5. Having a secret witness does not jive with a DA dropping the rape charges because there is no evidence she was raped and she can not remember if there was penis penetration.
So regarless of the lies someone publishes about this case, one should always go back to the facts that are in public.
The infamous "unnamed source". DNA exists in many forms. None of the Duke boys DNA existed on her. Never trust ESPN as a source. Even the MSM knows better apparently. The only thing Nifong "believed" was that this could get him elected. A lot of men had sex with Crystal. None of them were on the LAX team.
With all due respect, you are repeating such a claim. In fact, you didn't hear ESPN report it, and you could easily do your own web search, there's this thing called Google, and find ouit for yourself.
Oh, I don't mind anyone telling him he's wrong (even though he does;}. Trying to tell a 22 year old how wrong they are can be interesting to say the least. He hasn't been following the case all that closely, and his primary source for information has been ESPN, who everyone knows is just a fountain of trustworthy information/sarc off). He heard the claim that condoms were used, but does not know that condoms leave behind trace evidence as well and that no such trace evidence was found.
your son shouldn't be repeating stuff like this without a source...
...or use words like 'reported to have admitted' without a source....etc.
That's sheer speculation and malicious gossip.
As the mother of three sons, I know how important ESPN is, but in this instance they are spreading lies.
It's hard to be upset with the boy when Wendy Murphy is STILL screaming the same thing to this very day.
How would you feel then?
Put yourself in the parents shoes for five minutes and go tell your son to cease and desist!
I'm not here to get in to a debate or argument over something we both agree on in principle in the first place. When someone is asking for information from others who have followed the case more closely, that is not "repeating" a claim. Now, had I said that I heard/read that such and such was reported and did not follow up with a request for clarification about its validity, then I would be "repeating" something. Please note the purpose of my posts and not just the content.
As far as doing a Google search, maybe if I knew the correct key words that would gererate responses directly related to what I was specifically looking for I might have tried that. Instead, I decided to inquire from people here. How I choose to obtain the information shouldn't be a focus of your attack against me.
That was already taken care of.
If the son has any confidence in his dad, he will listen to him rather than Wendy Murphy.....or ESPN
Well, I understand that. Got one of my own.
If ESPN reported that, they reported false information. The false things reported in this case are just ludicrous from the condoms to the choke holds to the rape jackets to the broomsticks.
Just keep telling yourself--"ESPN ESPN ESPN....." :)
Because she really WANTS to believe it. She & Nancy Grace may have to take time off to recover from their grief once this is over.
Give it a rest. Your son is wrong. Why don't you just go send an email to ESPN and ask them. This is not the rumor-testing board - it's the lax fact board.
I'm not sure the meaning of the last part of your post. I don't watch ESPN, not even for the box scores. The only reason I would tune to ESPN is when they broadcast a Pro football game.
Yes, I know my son is wrong. And yes, I'm aware that FR is a place to find information, which is the reason for my original question. No, I'm not going to "give it a rest" because you don't like the question. Sorry FRiend, but I'll choose to go where I wish to try and obtain information regarding an issue. That's the great thing about living in a free society, and an even greater thing about having FR. Peace be upon you.
it wasn't toward the player...it was towards the comment the poster made in #7
I'm the father of two sons, and they both have lots of friends who all tune in to ESPN. But, for me, I don't like ESPN.
Could have been the entire New Black Panther contingent who paid her a visit.
And one for Cathy Davidson, Duke English Prof & VICE Provost. She was the head of the Gang of 88. In fact, all 88 should be driven out of town on a rail after being tarred and featered.
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