Posted on 01/11/2007 8:49:33 AM PST by mfnorman
Jan. 11, 2007 — The accuser in the Duke lacrosse sex assault case now says that one of the players never attacked her and has changed the time she alleges the assault took place, according to new motions filed by defense lawyers today.
The accuser now "admits that Reade Seligmann did not commit any sex acts on her," defense attorneys said in court papers.
Defense attorneys also say the accuser "now claims the attack took place between 11:35 p.m. and midnight, which … is contradicted by the accuser's own cell phone records and the cell phone records of Reade Seligmann and his girlfriend."
The alleged victim initially told investigators she was raped after midnight.
Three Duke students — Colin Finnerty, Reade Seligmann and David Evans — were indicted in the spring on charges of felony rape, kidnapping and sexual assault for an alleged incident on March 12, during a Duke lacrosse team party.
The alleged victim and a second dancer named Kim Roberts had been hired to strip at the party. The accuser said that she was beaten and gang-raped by several men in a bathroom during the party held by lacrosse players from Duke University.
Transcripts of the interview that Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong's investigator conducted on Dec. 21, with the alleged victim were released to defense attorneys this morning, according to court papers.
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yet another version..
If all charges are dropped, expect a riot in Raleigh-Durham. It will probably make the riot from Rodney King's beating look like a piece of cake.
Interesting how she backs off only after you've disproven her case. The prosecutor doesn't seem to acknowledge the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
It would be interesting to know just how big that "bathroom" is, and how many people can actually get into it at oonce with any kind of freedom of movement to commit a "gang" rape.......
I imagine that the families of the wrongfully-accused are already out lawyer-shopping. This just keeps getting better and better...
There will be no riot.
Bring it on!
In my experience, I've learned that state and local governments will often go to great lengths to ensure a safe environment for a high-profile university -- in ways that they would never do for private citizens.
My undergraduate school was in a bad neighborhood in a crummy city, and the city government basically created a police state around the campus once the school administration dropped even the slightest hint that it was considering a plan to relocate the entire campus to an outlying area.
If one assailant stood on the toilet, another lay in the bathtub and another on the floor, they could possibly all fit in there with the accuser.
She should do what ever the maximum time happens to be, for the crime she accused someone else of committing, I believe it is life.
But the only thing that matters is that it could have happened. /s
Can this boy sue for slander now?
If she can make this kind of allegation and then retract it halfway through an investigation/trial, seems he can go after her for deliberately harming his good name.
Ah the American justice system at work.
You really think so?
Not that I'm denying or anything. But the notion intrigues me.
This case has gotten some public attention but frankly not enough to enrage the common folk. Who should be enraged because this case is all about runaway prosecutors and the danger they pose to us more ordinary citizens.
But let there be a riot as you predict and for sure this will capture the public's attention.
Which is to say this is a good thing is what I'm saying here.
Lately, I have totally adjusted my thinking. What with the Dems in charge, hey, I'm rooting for them to keep doing nutty things so the ladies in the beauty parlor will take note.
Another example, SURELY, I mean surely...right?...someone's bound to notice that before the New Year all we heard was the mantra to send in more troops. Now that Bush says he's going to do just this well hey, the same ones that wanted more troops now want no "escalation".
So I sigh and hope that if nothing else, their hypocrisy will be further exposed and their credibility will be ruined.
I was thinking the same thing.
....and do it silently without arousing the notice of the rest of the party goers, both male and female, in a crowded situation where everyone's drinking beers by the gallon and need to use the facilities very very often...........
Fake, but accurate.
Sounds like Reade can go home. Justice, what crimes are committed in thy name.
And having quite a long reach.
Duke Ping!
The scary thing is that Nifong would have gotten away with this except for the national publicity. How was he to know that this case would attract so much attention? Otherwise he could have presented only the final version of the accuser's story to a jury of 12 jurors who were already convinced before the trial that the defendants were guilty, or needed to be found guilty regardless of the facts as payback for past offenses by whites against blacks.
Go after what? A single mom - stripping for money.
Will get nothing.
"The prosecutor doesn't seem to acknowledge the concept of innocent until proven guilty."
Duke University is unaware of this concept too.
Escort service stripper Crystal Gail Mangum presents her, what, 18th different blatantly phony story about the innocent Duke students?
She was convicted of stealing a car in 2002.
On Aug. 18, 1996, stripper Crystal Gail Mangum also told a police officer that she had been raped by three men in June 1993, according to a police document. She did not pursue the allegations. The officer who took the woman's report 10 years ago asked her to write a detailed timeline of the night's events and bring the account back to the police. "Apparently she never returned," Granville County DA Sam Currin said."
What is this one? About 6.0?
There will be no riot. The people who have legitimate grievances and righteous outrage over this incident have jobs, families and lead otherwise responsible lives; they're not the type inclined to torch buildings, flip cars and loot stores.
That has probably NEVER even been considered or investigated since it would actually prove or disprove something here.
I've seen a pic of the outside of the house, and judging from it's apparent age, the bathrooms were not very big when it was built...........
the 'truth' to her and Nifong is whatever the defendants can't prove
You're not in North Carolina, are you?
The idea of consequences for hypocrisy applies only to Republicans. Nothing can hurt the credibility of Democrats among their kool-aid drinking minions, or last year's election never would have gone down as it did. Yes, there were numerous blunders by Republicans, but in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
OJ took care of that once and for all time, forever........
No, the real scary thing is that Nifong's action are not all that unusual, and that prosecutors DO get away with this kind of obscenity on a day to day basis in this country.
Once in the cross-hairs of a prosecutor, guilt or innocence become irrelevant details.
My argument is that Durham is not LA.
It is one-tenth the size of LA in population and one-fifth the size in geography and its police force is better-equipped and better prepared than LA's was at the time of the riots.
Durham police will not allow a riot to get started.
well the City of Durham can look forward to a very large lawsuit from the falsely accused!
"Sounds like Reade can go home."
Not if Nifong has anything to say about it.
It's not about the act, but the 'intent', even if one never existed.
Why do you think he is still pursuing 'kidnapping' and 'sexual harassment' charges?
He had no case to begin with and now is just trying to save face.
Go home? Unlikely.
Her story of the day? Or does she change them more often? You can get whiplash trying to keep up...
Oh, you were talking about people with legitimate grievances. That's a different story.
Nope, I'm in Delaware.
I think the American public has some vague idea about this Duke case. North Carolina would likely have much more publicity about it. But I'm not convinced the American public has enough specifics about it all to understand the implications about what's happening here will impact us all.
A riot on the other hand...well I don't necessarily want one to happen, but if one did I'd suggest the ladies at the beauty parlor will come out under the hairdryer long enough to pay attention.
This case, and that Lame Plame thing, are the epitome of a very real danger in this country....the runaway prosecutor.
Sure the Dems use a prosecutor in dirty politics, witness Tom Delay. But NOW we have prosecutors beating on us ordinary folk and it worries me. We carry this country on our backs and those Lacrosse kids did nothing to deserve this, although, hey....bad judgement ordering a stripper.
Still, could my kid, my grandkid, yours and the grandyours.
what's he going to get? her welfare check?
According to ED at FNC, this newest timeline would have meant that the accuser was talking to a family member on the phone up to about 1 minute before she the alleged raped and was dancing (shown on a time stamped video) 10 minutes after the alleged rape.
This new timeline was created partially in response to the airtight alibis of one of the alleged rapists (on the phone with his girlfriend and at an ATM machine) during one of the original timelines put forth by the accuser.
She got the idea for this by watching 'The Accused'.
What is this now...version 64 of the story? I've lost count.
John Hopkins, by any chance?
Royalties from the upcoming Made-For-TV movie.
Good question and one my colleague just asked!
That was exactly my reaction from day one. Months ago I looked up the house in the property tax records. As I recall it was built in 1910. Given that this is a two bedroom house, I imagine there is little chance that we are talking about anything but a tiny bathroom.
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