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The Presidential IQ Report
Check Snopes, false ^ | January 16, 2007 | The Lovenstein Institute

Posted on 01/16/2007 11:16:25 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666

WASHINGTON --In a published report, the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania has detailed findings of a four month study of the intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the Lovenstein Institute has published its research to the education community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report among others.

According to statements in the report, there have been twelve presidents over the past 60 years, from F. D. Roosevelt to G. W. Bush who were all rated based on scholarly achievements, writings that they alone produced without aid of staff, their ability to speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors which were then scored in the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking. The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald R. Ford (R)
176 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald W. Reagan (R)
98 George H. W. Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
91 George W. Bush (R)

The six Republican presidents of the past 60 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest IQ, at 155. President G. W. Bush was rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91.

The six Democrat presidents had IQs with an average of 156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B. Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126.

No president other than Carter (D) has released his actual IQ, 176. Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President GW Bush, his low ratings were due to his apparent difficulty to command the English language in public statements, his limited use of vocabulary (6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for other presidents), his lack of scholarly achievements other than a basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied on an intellectual basis.

The complete report documents the methods and procedures used to arrive at these ratings, including depth of sentence structure and voice stress confidence analysis. "All the Presidents prior to George W. Bush had a least one book under their belt, and most had written several white papers during their education or early careers.

Not so with President Bush," Dr. Lovenstein said. "He has no published works or writings, so in many ways that made it more difficult to arrive at an assessment. We had to rely more heavily on transcripts of his unscripted public speaking."

The Lovenstein Institute of Scranton Pennsylvania think tank includes high caliber historians, psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F. Dilliams, a world-respected psychiatrist. This study was commissioned on February 13, 2001, and released on July 9, 2001, to subscribing member universities and organizations within the education community.


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IQ inversely proportional to presidential ability?
1 posted on 01/16/2007 11:16:26 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Anyone who believes this widely-debunked report needs to have their own IQ checked.


2 posted on 01/16/2007 11:17:22 AM PST by linear (2009: Hillary wears her favorite veil to receive annual "Profiles in Courage" award.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
snopes
3 posted on 01/16/2007 11:17:43 AM PST by mysterio
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

I'll take "Junk Science" for 400, Alex.


4 posted on 01/16/2007 11:17:56 AM PST by Spruce
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

IQ does not translate into either wisdom or principles. Just look at the list.


5 posted on 01/16/2007 11:18:04 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Jimmy Carter gets a 176? I think these researchers should have someone check their IQ.


6 posted on 01/16/2007 11:18:06 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Love those Lovensteins! Seems they're a mite slewed to the left, ay?


7 posted on 01/16/2007 11:18:47 AM PST by RexBeach (In war there is no substitute for victory. - Douglas MacArthur)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

This whole article is an IQ test. If you believe it, you failed.


8 posted on 01/16/2007 11:18:52 AM PST by samtheman
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

"No president other than Carter (D) has released his actual IQ, 176. Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President GW Bush, his low ratings were due to his apparent difficulty to command the English language in public statements, his limited use of vocabulary (6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for other presidents), his lack of scholarly achievements other than a basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied on an intellectual basis."

are you kidding me? this is how they are rating their iqs?

clinton with a 182? what a joke... no agenda here.


9 posted on 01/16/2007 11:19:39 AM PST by philsfan24
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
The "Lovenstein Institute" is a joke.

As in an actual gag, not a real thing.

10 posted on 01/16/2007 11:20:57 AM PST by wideawake
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To: mysterio

Thanks for the heads-up, just had a link emailed to me and didn't even check good old snopes.


11 posted on 01/16/2007 11:21:07 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Another Piece of Sh*t article written by some left wing liberal moron making some voodoo crap based on what he sees in his wet dream. Notice the worst 2 Presidents in the list Carter and Clinton have the highest IQ although there were a total joke and absolute failure as Presidents.


12 posted on 01/16/2007 11:21:37 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Spruce

LOOOOOOOOL... very good one :)


13 posted on 01/16/2007 11:22:11 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

This is an old hoax..


14 posted on 01/16/2007 11:22:21 AM PST by mnehring (Virtus Junxit mors non Separabit)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
Apparently, the scoring system deducts 30 points for having an (R), and adds 40 for a (D)

This is probably believed hook, line and sinker by loony lefties.

15 posted on 01/16/2007 11:22:30 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

More evidence that liberals are so much smarter than the rest of us, why bother to have elections. Why not since Bubba is the smaterst of them all just cornate him king? /sarc


16 posted on 01/16/2007 11:22:44 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

People with low IQs have way too much faith in IQ tests. ;-)


17 posted on 01/16/2007 11:24:13 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Brilliant
Carter was near the top of his Naval Academy class, and was able to pick nuclear subs. Can't remember what his number was. If I come across my alumni book I will let you know. Also, I am not a Carter fan. Even the alumni wouldn't endorse his for President, they chose Gerald Ford.
18 posted on 01/16/2007 11:25:53 AM PST by KYGrandma (Kentucky girl who wants to go home)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

The ones with the high IQ's are the ones with velcro instead of laces on their shoes.


19 posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:08 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

An obvious hoax seeing as how the folks at this "Lovenstein" place failed to rank President Josiah Bartlet (I.Q. 234).


20 posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:29 AM PST by Stultis
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

If democrats are so smart, then how come they are so stupid.


21 posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:31 AM PST by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: KYGrandma

The funny thing about Carter is, being a nyukular engineer, he pronounced the word the same way that the leftards make fun of Bush for.


22 posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:36 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

This is an old, old, old hoax.

Why resurrect it?


23 posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:43 AM PST by JennysCool (If your attitude's appalling, there's a latitude that's calling)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

We had to rely more heavily on transcripts of his unscripted public speaking."

WEll. I think this methodology is a bit suspect, to say the least. But if that is the criteria they used, then it's not difficult to see how GWB looks like he is as dumb as a bag of hammers.

He's not. But communication is not his strong point.

I'm thinking that this is a test put together by Clinton groupies, seeing as he comes out at the top - ahead of JFK, of course, but JFK still fares well. Riiiiiiiight.


24 posted on 01/16/2007 11:29:21 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

There is another survey which analyzes the IQ of people who assume that everything they receive in email "must be true".

BTW, I have an excellent Nigerian investment opportunity for you my FRiend, it will require several thousand dollars to bribe Nigerian security officials who are holding millions in a trunk in Lagos, but if you're game to be a millionaire, I might let you in on the deal, what do you say? ;)


25 posted on 01/16/2007 11:29:30 AM PST by mkjessup
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

some devil's advocate you are.


26 posted on 01/16/2007 11:31:35 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

"Journalist" Bill Press got taken hook, line and sinker by this farce:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1672073/posts


27 posted on 01/16/2007 11:31:56 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

This was debunked YEARS ago but it doesn't stop Bush bashers like Donald Trump from believing the nonsense and quoting it as if it were reality.


28 posted on 01/16/2007 11:33:15 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
176 James E. Carter (D)

Anyone who produced a study that comes up with a result such as this really needs help. For me the first sign of intelligence is the absence of stupid statements, not the use of big works or interest in erudite subjects. Carter is a mental midget.

ML/NJ

29 posted on 01/16/2007 11:33:49 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Okay, who's got the NTSA pic?...........


30 posted on 01/16/2007 11:35:00 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigt! Einstein's IQ was just above 160 and they have Slick Wille at 182?

LOL!!!


31 posted on 01/16/2007 11:35:29 AM PST by avacado
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Mensa equates pre-1980 military GCT test scores to IQ. Therefore, it should be easy to determine whether Carter, the Bushes, and Kerry are in the top 2% in terms of IQ. (Oh, yeah, I forgot; Kerry won't release his GCT test score.)


32 posted on 01/16/2007 11:36:41 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: mkjessup
So where should I send my SSN and my checking account number and routing number? (I was fooled, I admit it and I'm embarrassed.)
33 posted on 01/16/2007 11:38:59 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: KYGrandma
Carter was near the top of his Naval Academy class

He finished in the top 8% of his class at Annapolis in 1945 (59th out of 820), but this number should be judged against the fact that he was a transfer student who was able to import grades from the much less demanding Georgia Southwestern into his total grade average, and against the fact that many top candidates who would normally have graduated Annapolis in 1945 were serving in the Pacific fleet instead.

It was a very special year with very special circumstances.

After graduation he chose to continue his studies rather than follow most of his classmates to the Pacific theater.

and was able to pick nuclear subs

It would be pretty tough to pick nuclear subs before they existed.

He never did serve on a nuclear sub, since he resigned from the program before he was scheduled to complete it. The first nuclear sub was launched two years after he resigned from the Navy.

He only took a few months of postgraduate physics (studies he abandoned not long after V-E day) and never served on a nuclear submarine.

yet until this day the myth persists among many that he was a nuclear physicist who was instrumental in the founding of America's nuclear submarine program.

34 posted on 01/16/2007 11:39:17 AM PST by wideawake
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

This is an old hoax.

Here's an excerpt from the original version (before it was cleaned up, for use as propaganda):

"Dr. Lovenstein lives in a mobile home in Scranton, Pennsylvania with his long time companion Patricia F. Dilliams. When the two are not publishing reports for their Lovenstein Institute, they run an internet business www.collegedegreesforsale.com."

More about the hoax here: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/lovenstein.html



35 posted on 01/16/2007 11:40:18 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: MrB

See post 34. Carter was never a nuclear engineer. But he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.


36 posted on 01/16/2007 11:40:24 AM PST by wideawake
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

It would be funny if this were true. All those democraps getting beat by the dumbest president in 60 years.


37 posted on 01/16/2007 11:40:42 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

C'mon...this is the stupidest thing I've ever read. People with 91 IQ's don't graduate from Yale AND Harvard! This has been debunked numerous times.


38 posted on 01/16/2007 11:41:55 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: JoeGar

Is there any correlation to post-1980 military GT scores?


39 posted on 01/16/2007 11:43:05 AM PST by rivercat (The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. - William Shakespeare)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
Jimmy Carter has an IQ of 176?

Well what do you know? All the skeptics of the validity of IQ testing were right.
40 posted on 01/16/2007 11:43:18 AM PST by chesley ("Socialism" - compassion for those that don't have any.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
I remember when Gary Trudeau alluded to this report in an attack on Bush in his Doonsbury strip. I have to wonder about the I.Q. of the cartoonist who fell for this hoax.
41 posted on 01/16/2007 11:44:40 AM PST by soccermom
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I would rather have a dumb stupid Conservative that a brilliant communist. Look at FDR, he started the Drug War and started the Great Big Huge Government snowball rolling.
42 posted on 01/16/2007 11:44:57 AM PST by jackieaxe (Unsourced reporting is not reporting but a lie or a manipulation)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Plainly, the authors associate throwing around big words with having a high IQ. For a Great Communicator, the ability to use a simple, precise vocabulary is a great virtue.

George W Bush doesn't impress me. But Reagan certainly does.


43 posted on 01/16/2007 11:45:11 AM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
"Journalist" Bill Press got taken hook, line and sinker by this farce:

And all that idiot could do to defend himself was to use the old Dan Rather out "it was true but faked" line. He didn't have the decency to apologize.

44 posted on 01/16/2007 11:45:45 AM PST by techcor
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To: samtheman

"This whole article is an IQ test. If you believe it, you failed." BINGO!


45 posted on 01/16/2007 11:46:21 AM PST by soccermom
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To: samtheman

whoooo I passed.


46 posted on 01/16/2007 11:48:01 AM PST by linn37 (Love your Phlebotomist)
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To: MrB
"The funny thing about Carter is, being a nyukular engineer, he pronounced the word the same way that the leftards make fun of Bush for."

The Queens' English used to be quite different from that used by we commoners in the Commonwealth. However she pronounced something was considered correct & a mark of her station. All other pronunciations indicated the lower social standing of the speaker -- likely a result of poor breeding. By that logic, however Bush pronounces a word is correct -- other pronunciations simply indicate poor breeding.
47 posted on 01/16/2007 11:48:45 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: KYGrandma
I've got a pretty high IQ, too. Although not in Mr. Carter's elevated class, I did manage to pick up a PhD in metallurgical engineering.

However, as my wife and co-workers would line up to tell you, I am utterly lacking in common sense and mechanical ability both.

Facility with words and numbers, does not add up to anything except facility with words and numbers. Clinton is hollow inside, with no moral center. Carter has a moral center, but something, perhaps a diet heavy in peanuts, has twisted and deformed it.

Neither was worth a spit as President. I could throw a rock at a FReeper picnic and hit a better president than either.
48 posted on 01/16/2007 11:48:59 AM PST by chesley ("Socialism" - compassion for those that don't have any.)
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To: linear

I have read that this so called report is a FRAUD.


49 posted on 01/16/2007 11:49:39 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

"...based on scholarly achievements, writings that they alone produced without aid of staff, their ability to speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors which were then scored in the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking."

My IQ (131 BTW) was NOT calculated in this way.


50 posted on 01/16/2007 11:50:06 AM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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