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Rumsfeld, DOD officials attend meeting on erasing North American borders
One News Now ^ | January 31, 2007 | Chad Groening

Posted on 02/01/2007 7:07:49 AM PST by Between the Lines

Judicial Watch says Donald Rumsfeld and other U.S. Defense Department officials have met with other countries' officials to discuss effectively erasing the borders between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.

The public-interest group Judicial Watch has released documents pertaining to a meeting last fall in Banff, Alberta (Canada), called the "North American Forum," which was attended by former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other high-level U.S. Department of Defense officials. According to the watchdog group, the meeting was put on by a government agency that wants to "harmonize" the laws throughout North America.

The North American Forum was sponsored by the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SSP). On its government website the SSP says it is a "trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity among the United States, Canada, and Mexico through greater cooperation and information sharing."

Chris Farrell is director of research at Judicial Watch. "They want to harmonize -- that's their word -- rules and regulations and laws between all three countries and try to bring them more and more together and try to erase the boundaries and borders between the three countries," he says.

But Farrell believes some of the objectives of the SSP are not in the best interests of United States citizens. For one thing, the Judicial Watch spokesman takes issue with the idea of taking the North American "grid" the U.S. shares with Canada and integrating it fully with Mexico. "I don't know how that's in our interest," he contends.

Judicial Watch, which works to investigate and prosecutes government corruption, has questioned the fact that the Banff forum was attended by a number of high-level U.S. government and military officials.

One of the more disturbing documents from the North American Forum, the group's director of research notes, contained the phrase "evolution by stealth" in reference to important policy debates, including debate on the North American countries' integration and cooperation.

"So Secretary Rumsfeld goes up to this meeting and with him he brings the Northern Command, the military's Homeland Security command," Farrell says, "and they talk about some pretty disturbing things." Many of the topics discussed at the North American Forum involved potentially "really changing how you and I think of America when it comes to our economic and our energy independence and a variety of other issues," he contends.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: cuespookymusic; icecreammandrake; judicialwatch; northamericanforum; northamericanunion; omgwtfbbq
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1 posted on 02/01/2007 7:07:52 AM PST by Between the Lines
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To: Between the Lines

So...the Conspiracy was a "theory??" Not holding breath waiting for apologies.


2 posted on 02/01/2007 7:09:42 AM PST by 100-Fold_Return (MONEY Cometh To Me NOW)
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To: Between the Lines

FR veering into Alex Jones territory...


3 posted on 02/01/2007 7:11:05 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: Between the Lines

Okay, part of Northcom's responsibility is to find out what people are talking about that affects the security of our borders. I don't have a problem with Rumsfeld and the Northcom commander attending this meeting - in fact, it's a good intel opportunity that they'd have been derelict to miss. Is there anything in the released documents that points to the military folks agreeing with erasing the borders? Almost certainly not. So what's the writer trying to prove by including them in the story?

Colonel, USAFR


4 posted on 02/01/2007 7:11:24 AM PST by jagusafr (The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not")
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To: Between the Lines

There's a border? I don't believe it. Prove it.


5 posted on 02/01/2007 7:11:54 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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6 posted on 02/01/2007 7:12:07 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Between the Lines
I choose to not believe this article until I hear it from a more reliable source. Rumsfield is not the Secretary of Defense anymore.
7 posted on 02/01/2007 7:14:43 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Between the Lines
Somethings going on here. Can't say exactly what it is, but I don't believe that this is some cooked up 'conspiracy theory'. Too many people are talking about it.

And too many people are venomous in denouncing it as hogwash.

Time will tell.

8 posted on 02/01/2007 7:14:59 AM PST by CrawDaddyCA (Paul/Tancredo 2008)
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To: Dixie Yooper
I choose to not believe this article until I hear it from a more reliable source. Rumsfield is not the Secretary of Defense anymore.

The meeting was in Sept. of last year.

9 posted on 02/01/2007 7:15:48 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: Between the Lines

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1776279/posts
JudicialWatch Releases Pentagon Records from North American Forum Meetings ("evolution by stealth")


10 posted on 02/01/2007 7:16:01 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: 100-Fold_Return
So...the Conspiracy was a "theory??" Not holding breath waiting for apologies.

I apologize that you think that Rumsfeld and other DOD officials are part of a conspiracy to erase our national border.

11 posted on 02/01/2007 7:16:51 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Between the Lines
"For one thing, the Judicial Watch spokesman takes issue with the idea of taking the North American "grid" the U.S. shares with Canada and integrating it fully with Mexico."

What exactly does that mean?

12 posted on 02/01/2007 7:17:55 AM PST by avacado
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Judicial Watch Releases Pentagon Records from “North American Forum” Meetings
13 posted on 02/01/2007 7:19:23 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: Between the Lines

Well, if the SecDef was working on plans to take over those other countries, what's the problem? Realistically that's the best way to seal the borders. Fortress America relies on water, not fences, for protection. Cleaning out Mexico would go a long way toward solving a lot of problems.


14 posted on 02/01/2007 7:19:57 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

We have been talking about this at work for almost a year now. I don't know which will come into play first, erasing our borders or just giving the whole damn country to the UN.

"There's a border? I don't believe it. Prove it."

There is a thing we like to say on the forums of a game I like to play. "Pics or it's not true, didn't happen."


15 posted on 02/01/2007 7:21:04 AM PST by Trygar
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To: Between the Lines
Per some previous articles, that border erasure is supposed to take place by the year 2012. That's just 5 years away.

That is one way for Bush to effectively make all the illegals here now legal. Just let them wait until the announcement that the borders no longer exist and those former illegals are now legal, because were are all one big happy family of the Union of North America.
16 posted on 02/01/2007 7:26:45 AM PST by TomGuy
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Click here to read NORTHCOM Cover Letter

Click here to read Forum Opening Remarks

Click here to read Bolton Agenda and Notes

Click here to read Volcheff Agenda and Notes

Click here to read more about the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP)

 

17 posted on 02/01/2007 7:27:30 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: Between the Lines

Bush goes through with anything like this, my respect for him is gone.


18 posted on 02/01/2007 7:27:47 AM PST by wastedyears ( "Gun control is hitting your target accurately." - Richard Marcinko)
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To: jagusafr

Isn't this that same old tired Conspiracy Theory that's been battered around for some time? I thought I remembered Hugh or Michael Medved discounting this. Well, not discounting it, just saying that it was a legit conference that did not have to do with opening the borders and making One Nation from many.


19 posted on 02/01/2007 7:28:16 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: TomGuy

Jerome Corsi is on record as stating the union will occur in or before 2010.


20 posted on 02/01/2007 7:29:07 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Between the Lines

Moonbattism at its finest.


21 posted on 02/01/2007 7:30:38 AM PST by pissant
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To: 1rudeboy
"Stimulate and accelerate cross-border technology trade by preventing unnecessary barriers from being erected (e.g., agree on mutual recognition of technical requirements for telecommunications equipment, tests and certification; adopt a framework of common principles for e-commerce)."

The above quote is from the White House website. It seems to be a clear statement of the current Administration's intent on border issues.
Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America Prosperity Agenda
22 posted on 02/01/2007 7:30:38 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: wastedyears
Bush goes through with anything like this, my respect for him is gone.

Duh!

And so will your national sovereignty.
23 posted on 02/01/2007 7:32:23 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Sorry, I don't see how making it easier to use my cell phone north or south of the border is a demonstration of some larger "intent" regarding "border issues."


24 posted on 02/01/2007 7:33:13 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 100-Fold_Return

It is good that you are not holding your breath, because you are wrong.


25 posted on 02/01/2007 7:33:32 AM PST by msg-84 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: 1rudeboy
Sorry, I don't see

That's what the powers that be hope. That you won't see, until it is too late to do anything about it. Every dictatorship, every subversive government, has taken power in exactly the same way -- they did it before the masses realized what was happening. By then, it was too late. That is how Hitler took over much of Europe. That is how Islam is taking over Europe. That is how Castro took over Cuba. That is how Chavez is taking over Venezuela. That is how Putin is retaking Russia. They hope the masses keep their heads buried in the sand until......
26 posted on 02/01/2007 7:38:13 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Between the Lines
I don't doubt that there are elements within the U.S. Government who believe it is in our best interests to become one with Mexico - the part I'm having trouble understanding is, how is absorbing a poor, third world backwater nation like Mexico, whose culture and language are far different than ours and whose poverty and corruption is legendary, in the best interests of an advanced, industrialized society like the United States?
27 posted on 02/01/2007 7:39:16 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Every time a jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Dixie Yooper
I choose to not believe this article until I hear it from a more reliable source

Oh come on!! You've got everything you need. Joe Farah, WorldNutDaily, Jerry Corsi, and now Judicial Watch. Only one missing I think is DEBKA. Or possibly the National Enquirer. Once they chime in, I'll be stocking up on Ramen Noodles and bottled water...

28 posted on 02/01/2007 7:42:21 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: jagusafr

The point of mentioning the military personnal is that they were there. It's a perfectly valid point to make.
Are you suggesting that if the military didn't agree with decisions made by the civilian government it would keep the decisions from being carried out? Are you suggesting a coup would be possible over the AmeriCanaMexico push of the current administration?


29 posted on 02/01/2007 7:43:20 AM PST by em2vn
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To: Dog Gone

Judicial Watch on the case. lol


30 posted on 02/01/2007 7:43:47 AM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: Between the Lines

Sounds like chicken little is at it again.


31 posted on 02/01/2007 7:44:31 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Between the Lines
Don't they have some lawsuits to attend to?
32 posted on 02/01/2007 7:45:34 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Between the Lines

What borders?


33 posted on 02/01/2007 7:46:02 AM PST by mysterio
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To: TomGuy
Nor do I "see" how the standardization of civil aviation beacons between Canada, Mexico, and the U.S. is a small step on the road to what Hayek calls the road to serfdom.

In fact, Hayek might argue that the threat of dictatorship, or the threat of being on the road to serfdom, is greater when a leader argues we should not standardize such beacons for unfounded, but nationalistic, reasons.

34 posted on 02/01/2007 7:46:39 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Between the Lines

Does Judicial Watch still believe a missle, not a plane, hit the Pentagon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8


35 posted on 02/01/2007 7:49:47 AM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: reagan_fanatic
Easy: Cheap labor (because Lincoln declared slavery illegal).

Those globalists are more interested in CODA (cost of doing business) than in people. Importing millions of cheap laborers may be detrimental to a sovereign nation, but it is a boon for businesses that use cheap laborers to produce goods and services. How else do large corporation CEO retire with multi-million dollar nest eggs?

==

A few months after Clinton was out of office, he made a speech (at Georgetown U, IIRC). Around the same time Madeline Albright made a similar speech somewhere overseas. Both made reference to the coming time when the US is comparable with 3rd world nations. Clinton's theme was that we needed to be nice to 3rd world nations because the US would be one soon.

I was astonished that the media didn't rake Clinton or Albright for those comments. After 5 years of Bush and open borders and the flood of millions of illegals, I see that we are heading in that direction, unabated. And both political parties are in on it. They are more on-the-same-page than they want the masses to know.
36 posted on 02/01/2007 7:50:39 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Since THEY have decided they cannot bring all of the third world up to our standards, they will bring the U.S. down to third world standards. Only then can there be a fair and even global playing field.
That also puts the ruling elites on top.

Sounds like a plan to me.


37 posted on 02/01/2007 8:03:54 AM PST by sheana
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To: 1rudeboy
Sorry, I don't see how . . .

"evolution by stealth"

38 posted on 02/01/2007 8:07:34 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: Between the Lines

I refer you to my comment #34, if "evolution by stealth" is your concern.


39 posted on 02/01/2007 8:13:03 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Rex Anderson
Does Judicial Watch still believe a missle, not a plane, hit the Pentagon? No, they do not.
40 posted on 02/01/2007 8:13:22 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: 100-Fold_Return

Actually I am sure that is exactly what Judicial Watch said (sarcasm emphasized)......These NAU people take quotes out of context regularily as Michael Medved pointed out......Unfortunately conservatism without a leader like Reagan is sinking back into the fever swamp it came from in the 1950s and early 1960s, when conservatives were an embarassment.


41 posted on 02/01/2007 8:16:43 AM PST by Oct1967
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To: CrawDaddyCA

youre tag line doesnt add credibility to your post


42 posted on 02/01/2007 8:17:32 AM PST by Oct1967
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To: NonValueAdded

We are having enough enough trouble in our efforts to clean out Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention cleaning out Serbia of christian men, women and children.


43 posted on 02/01/2007 8:17:42 AM PST by winodog
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To: Oct1967
youre tag line doesnt add credibility to your post

I'm confused, please explain.

44 posted on 02/01/2007 8:19:47 AM PST by CrawDaddyCA (Paul/Tancredo 2008)
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To: Between the Lines

Like I said in another thread, I believe I'll be leaving this country sooner rather than later.


45 posted on 02/01/2007 8:20:41 AM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: NonValueAdded
Well, if the SecDef was working on plans to take over those other countries, what's the problem?

Mexico has been a quagmire for the Mexican government for nearly a century. I have heard rumors that the Mexican government is considering pulling out of Mexico entirely.

46 posted on 02/01/2007 8:21:46 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

When the going gets tough . . . .


47 posted on 02/01/2007 8:23:20 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Between the Lines; hedgetrimmer; Smartass; Czar; calcowgirl

Thanks for the links. Excellent!!!!!!!!

I have read over some of the articles. They are such liars. To justifiy the monstrosity of NAFTA they claim that the borders lost $25,000 a minute after 9/11. I noticed that they don't mention the fact that the very first country that stated they would not support the war on terrorism was Mexico.LOL. What can you expect from government incompetence.

The car rental companies that bankrupted after 9/11 had nothing to do with free trade but the fact that people had quit flying. This is a duh factor that the globalists can't comprehend.


48 posted on 02/01/2007 8:24:54 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Oct1967

I am not sure how many here realise it but these types of theories being bandied about by people on the right are EXTREMELY corrosive to the conservative movement.

This is what conservatism was from 1932 to about the late 1960s....It was about conspiracies, jews and how communists were on the verge of taking over America....LBJ successfully linked Goldwater to these types of rightest wackos in 1964.


It wasnt until Bill Buckley was able to seize the conservative movement away from these types that the movement began to gain respectiblity in the mid 1960s along with Reagan articulating conservatism in the late 1950s and 1960s.

The movement is in danger of going back to where it was pre-Reagan..nothing would make the liberla GOP and DEMS happier than to turn the conservative movement from a optimistic outward looking movement to a fever swamp


49 posted on 02/01/2007 8:31:15 AM PST by Oct1967
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To: texastoo

Which car rental companies went bust after 9-11???? Avis, Hertz, Budget, National???


50 posted on 02/01/2007 8:33:23 AM PST by Oct1967
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