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Bison Poop Reveals Two Distinct U.S. Populations [ Holy Feces!!! ]
LiveScience ^ | January 30, 2007 | Jeanna Bryner

Posted on 02/01/2007 9:39:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Bison poop has more to offer than a field-clearing smell. Genetic analysis of the feces has revealed there are two breeding populations of bison in Yellowstone National Park, according to a new study. The discovery has implications for how to manage the roughly 4,000 bison (called Bison bison by scientists), which were previously considered one giant breeding population within the park's boundaries... The poop itself doesn’t contain the DNA. When a bison chows down, the roughage scoots through the digestive tract before a less-recognizable chunk of it passes out of the gut. During the descent, cells lining the gut slough off and hitch a ride with the feces... Gardipee found stark differences in the maternal DNA. In Hayden Valley, where 2,000 bison reside, and in Grand Teton, she found only one maternal line called haplotype 6. In Lamar Valley and Mirror Plateau, the more than 900 bison showed a different mix of mitochondrial DNA. "This shows there is potentially a minimum of two different breeding groups in Yellowstone," Gardipee said.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: bison; buffalo; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; mtdna

1 posted on 02/01/2007 9:39:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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Scientists: Bison in Illinois earlier (aren't you relieved?)
South Carolina homepage (thestate.com) | Tue, Aug. 30, 2005 | Associated Press
Posted on 09/03/2005 10:17:31 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 02/01/2007 9:40:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Wednesday, January 31, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
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3 posted on 02/01/2007 9:41:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Wednesday, January 31, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wasn't it bears that something similar was announced recently?


4 posted on 02/01/2007 9:44:33 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

No sh*t?


5 posted on 02/01/2007 9:45:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

"What's brown and sounds like a bell?"


6 posted on 02/01/2007 9:54:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Wednesday, January 31, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
Okay, I'll never forgive you for making me type "bear feces" into the Google search. ;') Hmm, a quick superficial scan of the results yielded nothing...
Google

7 posted on 02/01/2007 9:56:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Wednesday, January 31, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

OK, tell me...


8 posted on 02/01/2007 9:58:02 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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9 posted on 02/01/2007 10:01:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Wednesday, January 31, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Aussie Dasher

"Dung!"


10 posted on 02/01/2007 10:01:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Wednesday, January 31, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

OH DEAR...


11 posted on 02/01/2007 10:18:20 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

http://www.dws.org/sousa/mp2/python.mp2


12 posted on 02/01/2007 10:26:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Wednesday, January 31, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I wonder if they can breed a strain of scientist that calls the bloody things "buffalo."

The word "bison" just makes me want to give somebody a wedgie.


13 posted on 02/02/2007 12:06:31 AM PST by dsc
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To: dsc
Bison is a more accurate term than "buffalo" as Buffalo are really an old world wild ox - like Cape Buffalo in Africa or Water Buffalo in Asia.

When I saw the title I thought they had identified a remnant population of Woods Bison. I think there were two groups of these - one found in northern Canada and another - presumably extinct which was found as far east as the Delaware River Valley, upstate New York and the southern Appalachians
14 posted on 02/02/2007 3:54:25 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

except bison are related to the gnu, not the african buffalo.


15 posted on 02/02/2007 5:04:04 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

16 posted on 02/02/2007 6:05:46 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: AndyJackson

That's good to know. After all, no gnus is good gnus.


17 posted on 02/02/2007 7:11:27 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Spork weasels ain't afraid of nuthin' but running out of sardines.)
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To: ZULU

I was taught that the Woods Bison never really existed. That the legends surounding it's existance were never based on an actual wild population.


18 posted on 02/02/2007 7:19:41 AM PST by Varda
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To: SunkenCiv

Can someone help out here? Is Bison poop the only way to collect DNA? Can't they simply trim a few hairs from one or from just about any body tissues from a dead one?

Sounds weird.


19 posted on 02/02/2007 8:21:01 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: AndyJackson

THATS GNUS TO ME!!!

Sorry. I couldn' help it.


20 posted on 02/02/2007 8:51:42 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Varda

Well, since there aren't any eastern Bison left around to stufy, I guess its a mute point.

Its ahrd to believe that a bison population adapted ot living in the eastern part of the U.S. didn't exhibit at least subspecific differences from the plains animal - that's a pretty big range for the same species.

The eastern wolf and cougar are recognized as different subspecies from the western animal I believe.


21 posted on 02/02/2007 8:54:46 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

I took an archaeology class about American Indians. It was a intro class that touched on everything from paleo to modern, anywhere from the Rio Grande north. As an off the cuff comment the prof said that Bison bones are common in Plains Indian middens but aren't found in Woodland Indian middens. It's next to impossible to believe the native Woodland cultures wouldn't have Bison on the menu.

Bison did have a wide range and I'm not sure of the details but it's believed that at one time they were two different species that hybridized into the current single species. I know more about wolves and you are correct, there are several different subspecies of Canis lupus. Wolves are generally anti-social to stranger wolves so it's easy to imagine that as a reason for so many subspecies. Perhaps the difference with buffalo is that the herds never became truly segregated. There must have been gene flow across the plains.


22 posted on 02/02/2007 9:37:43 AM PST by Varda
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To: JewishRighter

Not the only way, but think of how much fun it must be! :')


23 posted on 02/02/2007 10:03:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Wednesday, January 31, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dighton; aculeus
Her name is Gardipee. She talks about poop. Can you say "fixated"? I knew you could.
24 posted on 02/02/2007 10:20:43 AM PST by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: ZULU
I guess its a mute point.

A silent one? That kind of works, since there's no one around to say.

25 posted on 02/02/2007 2:04:06 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SunkenCiv
"bear feces"?

Look in the woods... heh heh heh

26 posted on 02/02/2007 2:07:00 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Varda

"the prof said that Bison bones are common in Plains Indian middens but aren't found in Woodland Indian middens. It's next to impossible to believe the native Woodland cultures wouldn't have Bison on the menu. "

Interesting. But they WERE in the east.

Read some early accounts of AMerican backwoodsmen hunting them for food. I'm sure they were a lot less common out east, but they WERE there.

Absence of evidence isn't proof of absence.


27 posted on 02/02/2007 2:07:31 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: SunkenCiv

At first glance I thought the title read :Bishop poop, and I was going to warn you to take cover because the Catholics were coming to take you out. So glad I was wrong.


28 posted on 02/02/2007 2:11:03 PM PST by Ditter
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To: ZULU

"Bison is a more accurate term than "buffalo"

Hey, the trappers, mountain men, and scouts like Kit Carson called them buffalo. That makes them buffalo, now and forever, and everybody who says "bison" is a four-eyed, pocket-protected, high-water-trousered, slide-rule-toting poindexter. So there. Nyaaa. (Raspberry)


29 posted on 02/02/2007 4:36:11 PM PST by dsc
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To: dsc

I think you're out of medications. I suggest you renew immediately.


30 posted on 02/02/2007 7:49:52 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Can't take a joke, eh? Sorry I troubled you.


31 posted on 02/03/2007 1:18:25 PM PST by dsc
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To: SunkenCiv
A Bison once bit my sister.

Oh .. wait .. that a Moose. Never mind.

32 posted on 02/04/2007 5:57:42 AM PST by Condor51 (Where's Attila The Hun when you need him? [sit down Rudy. You &%$% undecided 'republican'])
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To: dsc
****That makes them buffalo, now and forever, and everybody who says "bison" is a four-eyed, pocket-protected, high-water-trousered, slide-rule-toting poindexter. So there. Nyaaa. (Raspberry)***

Besides the obvious flames, you're gonna get, "what's a slide rule?"

btw, I still have TWO.
(but I'm older than dirt)

;-)

33 posted on 02/04/2007 6:02:25 AM PST by Condor51 (Where's Attila The Hun when you need him? [sit down Rudy. You &%$% undecided 'republican'])
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To: SunkenCiv

EEEEEwwwwww!!!! LOL! It's fun to go back to 3rd grade once in a while ain't it?


34 posted on 02/04/2007 3:50:50 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

Hey, what's the deal?!? How'd you find out about my 3rd grade "incident"???


35 posted on 02/04/2007 4:26:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, February 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I didn't know about your third grade incident. I just thought everyone had one.


36 posted on 02/04/2007 4:50:21 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

;') I figured as much. ;') Actually, I didn't have one, but this brings to mind a kinda disgusting incident someone else had a few years later (I was in 6th, the perp in 5th). I'd give the details, but it puts this whole bison poop thing into perspective. ;'D


37 posted on 02/04/2007 5:09:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, February 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Wood Bison

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