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Transcripts of Trial - Border Agents Compean and Ramos
DOJ - U.S. Attorney's Office (Johnny Sutton) ^ | February 13, 2007

Posted on 02/13/2007 6:40:43 PM PST by calcowgirl

The complete (I think) transcript was filed with the Court on Friday and entered in the Court record yesterday. The DOJ is hosting the transcripts on their website in a series of 18 PDF Files. They range in size from 5 pages to over 300 pages, covering pretrial matters, sentencing, as well as testimony.

The transcripts are linked at the site above, as well as most of the press releases issued by the U.S. Attorney office on this matter.

I am setting up this thread (in chat) as a place for us junkies can comment on the testimony and to post any revelations anyone might find. Have at it!!!!

VOLUME I: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%201.pdf

VOLUME II: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%202.pdf

VOLUME III: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%203.pdf

VOLUME IV: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%204.pdf

VOLUME V: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%205.pdf

VOLUME VI: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%206.pdf

VOLUME VII: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%207.pdf

VOLUME VIII: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%208.pdf

VOLUME IX: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%209.pdf

VOLUME X: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%2010.pdf

VOLUME XI: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%2011.pdf

VOLUME XII: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%2012.pdf

VOLUME XIII: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%2013.pdf

VOLUME XIV: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%2014.pdf

VOLUME XV: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%2015.pdf

VOLUME XVI: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%2016.pdf

VOLUME XVII: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%2017.pdf

VOLUME XVIII: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/Volume%2018.pdf
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TOPICS: Reference; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; ramos; texas
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To: Arizona Carolyn

As to that specific part of the testimony.... GRRRRRRR.....

I really want to read Rene Sanchez's full testimony.


21 posted on 02/13/2007 8:10:22 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

They are linked to the State Department? Why would someone from DSS be out walking a vega looking for spent bullet casings from two border patrol agents who allegedly shot at a drug smuggler?


22 posted on 02/13/2007 8:40:33 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: calcowgirl

I haven't gone there yet, this testimony made my blood boil. How can they take verbals as binding if they don't record the verbal before the agent is required to give his written report? Seems to me any so-called discrepancies would be hear-say without a legal record of what was said in the verbal and not admissable.


23 posted on 02/13/2007 8:42:07 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Mexico was concerned would be my guess. Which would tie in with that other thread.
They certainly don't need highly trained DSS agents to be working metal detectors.


24 posted on 02/13/2007 8:45:37 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Which still begs the question why would department of state be involved unless it was to keep Mexican government happy. If so, it sucks even more than before (to be blunt).


25 posted on 02/13/2007 8:47:48 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: calcowgirl

PING FOR REFERENCE TRANSCRIPTS

Great work!


26 posted on 02/13/2007 8:57:22 PM PST by Dat Mon (Apply the same standards to THIS Justice Department as you once did to the Clinton Justice D.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
San Isidro was included in R.Sanchez's testimony:
11 Q. Before going to high school here in El Paso, where did you
12 live?
13 A. In San Isidro, Chihuahua, Mexico.
14 Q. Okay. San Isidro, Mexico. Is that sort of on the
15 outskirts of Juarez, across the river?
16 A. Yes, ma'am.
17 Q. From the rural part of the county, El Paso County?
18 A. Yes.

27 posted on 02/13/2007 8:59:21 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Dat Mon

Thank ya!


28 posted on 02/13/2007 8:59:37 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Wow! Thanks, calcowgirl!!!

Bump for exposure, and for me to read!


29 posted on 02/13/2007 9:04:05 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: calcowgirl

I think I will read the Rene Sanchez testimony next. Sounds to me like Davila was coached by both Sanchez'


30 posted on 02/13/2007 9:05:50 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Brad's Gramma

You're welcome!

If you or anyone wants to be added to my ping list, just freepmail me.
I've been trying to ping every article posted on Ramos and Compean.

I hope that this thread will continue on as folks read through the details.


31 posted on 02/13/2007 9:09:42 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

BTTT!!


32 posted on 02/13/2007 9:13:20 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I started reading R.Sanchez. "Evade apprehension" rings out like a memorized line. I just hit this one:

A. I was the chamberlain for Osvaldo's sister's quinceanera.


33 posted on 02/13/2007 9:20:53 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Now the transcripts are out... this doesn't pass the smell test. If they had changed the venue I suspect they would not have been convicted.


34 posted on 02/13/2007 9:22:48 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn; calcowgirl
you said..."Seems to me any so-called discrepancies would be hear-say without a legal record of what was said in the verbal and not admissible."

The way I would look at these transcripts is to see what evidence was admitted...what exculpatory evidence was excluded..and what 'evidence' rests on hearsay testimony....particularly evidence provided by the smuggler which is not corroborated..or corroborated by witnesses which have also changed their testimony in other places, thus making their credibility suspect...or evidence provided by those who had a prior association with the smuggler.

Did Suttons office prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that Ramos and Compean actually intentionally and deliberately committed a Crime of Violence....based on what physical evidence...EXACTLY.

From the beginning of this case...Ive been wondering about the ability of the BP lawyers to mount an adequate defense...either due to their own incompetence...or due to an unspoken silent partnership between the judge and the prosecutor in what evidence was admitted, and how the trial was conducted.

I seem to recall that the background of this judge is in Family Law...this means Divorce court. Here, the judges rule as monarchs. I have a friend who has been going through this process for quite a while with his ex...the stories of how the Family Court system actually works with renegade judges are interesting.

This judge, being a Bush political appointee, may (consciously or subconsciously)...have been overwhelmed by the case and simply deferred to the US Attny politically connected to the man who nominated her to her position.

Im bothered by the fact that, according to the DHS report section I read, Compean first waives his Miranda rights, states in interrogation that he saw what he believed to be a gun...then later RECANTS (THEIR WORDS) and admits that it may have not been a gun..implicating himself and Ramos in the shooting.

The report slyly implies that Compean pleads guilty you see...without actually pleading guilty...but of course later admitting guilt...he also refuses a plea bargain deal!!

How incompetent would his attorney have to be to allow this???

Or...is the DHS report biased.....and deceptive..hmmmmm....whats that mean?

Reading some of these threads...I see where the spinmeisters try to spin this as a battle between the crazed PRO PARDON folks and the sensible, fair minded PRO LAW N ORDER folks.

Its crap...this is all about DUE PROCESS UNDER THE LAW.

Did these guys receive it..or were they railroaded.

Did Sutton's office prove MOTIVE, INTENT, and have the FORENSIC evidence to make a solid case...and of course...did they apply the USC statute calling for mandatory 10 year sentences for Crimes of Violence where a gun was used in the commission of the crime....APPROPRIATLY, AS CONGRESS AND PRECEDENT dictates..
35 posted on 02/13/2007 9:49:23 PM PST by Dat Mon (Apply the same standards to THIS Justice Department as you once did to the Clinton Justice D.)
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To: Dat Mon
Great post, DatMon. I'm not a lawyer, so your analysis helps me in reading through this stuff. I usually just ask "Does that make Sense?" In this case, nothing makes sense and it gets crazier every day, hence my interest/obsession with the case.

As to Cardone, you are correct. She was in family law.

As to Compean, I was amazed that he waived his miranda rights that night. All I can think is he was half asleep as the agents arrested him at midnight on a Friday. But his actual statement was even more forceful than you portrayed. He said "He was pointing something shiny with his left hand. It looked like a gun. This is when I started shooting." That he later he acknowledged he was not certain it was a gun, is a far cry from recanting. When I saw the OIG use that word, I hit the roof. IMO, the entire DHS-OIG report is deceptive--and that is a kind description.

I intend to read through a bunch of these and I hope a lot of other people do also. Hopefully, the thread will provide some useful input. If nothing else, it is a place to vent, lol.

36 posted on 02/13/2007 10:06:52 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Hey....disclaimer...Im just an engineer, not an attorney.

I just watch some Law n Order shows every now n then... ;0)


37 posted on 02/13/2007 10:22:15 PM PST by Dat Mon (Apply the same standards to THIS Justice Department as you once did to the Clinton Justice D.)
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To: Dat Mon

Thanks for the disclaimer, lol.
Sorry about that.


38 posted on 02/13/2007 10:38:07 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
Thanks much for posting the links.

I agree, it's unbelievable that the government interviews witnesses and defendants without videotaping or even audio recording them. And then they expect us to believe that what the interogator wrote down is what the person said, or even vaguely similar. At this point, I don't believe anything that comes out of a government person's face. Show me the video. If you don't have it on video, when you reasonably could have, the only reason for the lack of the video is that you wanted to be able to lie. End of story.

And by the way, how many billion dollars could the government save, simply by requiring all fed agencies to use single-space and a proportional font on documents? You know the DOJ lawyers print these things out. Double spacing and courier font are insane.
39 posted on 02/13/2007 11:00:52 PM PST by omnivore
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To: Dat Mon
" Family law ...this means Divorce court. Here, the judges rule as monarchs."

Ahhhsoooo!

'splains very well why the USAA in the first transcript is telling the judge one of the BCP guys has been arrested for 'domestic violence'.

The Judge is too stupid to realize she is being played like a drum.

40 posted on 02/13/2007 11:12:23 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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