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Lapse may jeopardize case against Landis (Will the Tour recognize him as Champion now?)
ESPN ^ | 23 Feb 2007 | ESPN

Posted on 02/23/2007 6:46:40 AM PST by commish

The doping case against Floyd Landis from last year's Tour de France may be in trouble, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times.

The French laboratory that handled the test results may have allowed improper access to Landis' urine samples, the newspaper reported, citing records that had been turned over to the cyclist's defense. A similar lapse in protocol previously has resulted in doping cases against athletes being dismissed.

According to the report, two technicians who conducted the "A" sample on Landis were involved in tests on the second "B" sample, which is used to confirm the first test. International lab standards do not allow the same technicians to work on both tests to prevent them from attempting to validate their original findings.

Doping allegations against Spanish cyclist Inigo Landaluze were dismissed late last year when it was discovered the same lab made a similar error with his tests in 2005.

Landis was accused of doping after the urine tests indicated he had an improper testosterone ratio and suggested the presence of artificial testosterone. He faces a two-year ban and being officially stripped of his Tour de France title if the results are upheld.

The Times reported it was not clear whether the technicians, Esther Cerpolini and Cynthia Mongongu, played enough of a role in the second round of tests to disqualify the findings. Landis' attorneys are seeking to question the two technicians and have filed a request for access to more lab documents and depositions of lab employees.

According to the newspaper, Travis Tygart, general counsel for the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, declined to comment on the report, citing agency rules forbidding him from discussing ongoing cases.

Landis, who has denied using any banned substances, has said the samples were mishandled and that the results were based on flawed science.

The USADA is scheduled to hold a hearing on Landis' appeal on May 14. The French anti-doping agency postponed its decision on whether to suspend him after Landis agreed not to race in France this year.


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: doping; floydlandis; french
My MY my how convenient -- Floyd gets off, but the Frenchies still can howl "It's only a technicality"

This lab should be shut down immediately. They have bungled almost ever major doping case. Leaked Confindential information on both Landis and Lance Armstrong. They have run a smear campaign against Armstrong for years.

As far as I am concerned I hope the case ends just this way. Let the French and the lab have a big black eye for being incompitent morons.

1 posted on 02/23/2007 6:46:43 AM PST by commish
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To: commish

Of course, with Lance Johnson gone, bike riding is falling back into total obscurity anyway, where it belongs. And yes, I know it is popular in Europe.


2 posted on 02/23/2007 6:48:13 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
Of course, with Lance Johnson gone

Lance Johnson?!?! Sounds like the name of some porno actor. I think you meant Lance Armstrong.

3 posted on 02/23/2007 6:50:37 AM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: Rodney King

Lance Armstrong.


4 posted on 02/23/2007 6:50:50 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: dfwgator

Right, sorry. Lance Johnson is the surfer kid in Apocalypse now I think.


5 posted on 02/23/2007 6:52:27 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: dfwgator

Or maybe not. Anyway, it is a good porn name. If you ever see a masked guy named Lance Johnson in a heterosexual porno, it's me.


6 posted on 02/23/2007 6:53:54 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

Buck Naked


7 posted on 02/23/2007 6:57:22 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: commish

Landis wounded himself with his feeble and constantly changing excuses when this all unfolded. He can cycle but he certainly can't properly defend himself.


8 posted on 02/23/2007 6:58:50 AM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
He can cycle

I used to cycle. Then I turned 16 and got my driver's license.

9 posted on 02/23/2007 7:02:59 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Puppage

Lance Spear.


10 posted on 02/23/2007 7:03:41 AM PST by dmz
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To: dmz

Lance Longley.


11 posted on 02/23/2007 7:06:14 AM PST by LanPB01
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To: LanPB01

Phil MaCracken


12 posted on 02/23/2007 7:09:18 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

Lance Thruster.


13 posted on 02/23/2007 7:09:45 AM PST by RonF
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To: Rodney King

I suggest you abandon this post then.


14 posted on 02/23/2007 7:15:59 AM PST by cyclotic (Support Cub Scouting-Raising boys to be men, and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Landis wounded himself with his feeble and constantly changing excuses when this all unfolded.

I agree 100%, but I just think that if this is proven that it is just desserts for the lab breaking confidentiality and fingering Landis when his A sample came back and for the totally incompetent way they have attempted to smear Armstrong for years.

15 posted on 02/23/2007 7:19:34 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: cyclotic
I suggest you abandon this post then.

Why?

16 posted on 02/23/2007 7:24:04 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

True, and don't forget getting you and your high school gf onto your banana seat was difficult! :P


17 posted on 02/23/2007 7:24:47 AM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: commish
I'm not convinced he cheated. Apparently the one day he had the big break-through, he did some things very differently from the rest of the field.

Being in the lead position - and way out, he had unlimited access to water bottles. Where most other people used 15 bottles that day (it was very hot), he used 70. Many of these he poured all over himself. Somewhere I read that where the rest of the field was in the high nineties, he was functionally around seventy degrees.

That actually does make a huge difference. As a triathlon, I intend to use this strategy on my longer races on warmer days.

18 posted on 02/23/2007 7:26:12 AM PST by mbraynard
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To: Rodney King

There are also photographs of him cycling with President Bush.

The reason I suggested you abondon the post was that I was fearful that it was about to slide into one of those endless "bike riding freaks who wear spandex and wear helmets" loops.

Then we'd get the yahoos who take joy in talking about running down cyclists with their front bumpers.

Frankly, the only think I remotely (key word...remotely) respect about Kerry is that he has been known to ride a century (100 miles)on occasion.

That said, I believe Landis in innocent. He is one of the few riders who races with a computerized monitor. It measures watts of energy produced by the bike that they can download for analysis. He said that except for one short 45 second burst of excess energy early in the ride, his wattage was nearly identical to his training rides on the same course.


19 posted on 02/23/2007 7:51:46 AM PST by cyclotic (Support Cub Scouting-Raising boys to be men, and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: commish

I agree with you completely one this particular lab. I've thought from the very beginning that they were suspect and maneuvering to protect all things French.

One thing that perplexes me is the fact that both the "A" and "B" samples are taken at the same time (as I understand the procedure and I might be incorrect). If so, then how in the world would it make any difference at all which lab analyzes the "B" sample since both will contain the same urine?


20 posted on 02/23/2007 7:52:04 AM PST by miele man (Continually voting against iodine deficient libs for 42 years)
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To: cyclotic

Fair enough.


21 posted on 02/23/2007 7:52:38 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: miele man

BEcause they only test the B sample if the A sample comes back positive. THey have someone different test it so that both fails are INDEPENDENTLY verified. It would be too tempting for the first testers to "Make Sure" that the B fails to corroborate thier A test.


22 posted on 02/23/2007 12:59:37 PM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: commish
The French laboratory that handled the test results may have allowed improper access to Landis' urine samples, the newspaper reported, citing records that had been turned over to the cyclist's defense. A similar lapse in protocol previously has resulted in doping cases against athletes being dismissed.

According to the report, two technicians who conducted the "A" sample on Landis were involved in tests on the second "B" sample, which is used to confirm the first test. International lab standards do not allow the same technicians to work on both tests to prevent them from attempting to validate their original findings.


Good Lord, how incompetent are these people?
23 posted on 02/23/2007 4:28:47 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: commish; nutmeg; Ready4Freddy; Baynative
Tour de France Ping! Help me out here, Nutmeg! I'm doing this from memory!
24 posted on 02/24/2007 8:57:34 AM PST by luv2ski
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To: leilani; Republicain; green iguana

ping!


25 posted on 02/24/2007 9:01:56 AM PST by luv2ski
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To: Baynative
They have ruined Floyd's accomplishment, his personal legacy and marketability.

In my mind, this has illustrated just how fantastic American Exceptionalism really is. The French decided they they needed to cheat in order to hide our greatness. Rock on! By winning one Tour Floyd has become a champion like Armstrong. I hope he has continued to train for this years tour.
27 posted on 02/24/2007 9:44:15 AM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: Vision
I hope he has continued to train for this years tour.

He had a hip replaced after the tour. I wonder if that will impact this season's riding?

28 posted on 02/24/2007 9:50:31 AM PST by Aeronaut (Hebrews 13:4)
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To: Aeronaut
Oh that's right. I forgot.

Doctors say it's conceivable the 30-year-old could return to competition next year in time for the 2007 Tour de France
29 posted on 02/24/2007 9:54:36 AM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: Aeronaut; Vision

He's not doing the TDF this year; he's continuing to ride, but he may never be back to full form. A few years ago, Joseba Beloki shattered his hip in a horrific crash that could have easily claimed Armstrong as well - Beloki was a top contender, but is at best a B-list pro now.


30 posted on 02/24/2007 10:17:30 AM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Baynative; nutmeg

Levi Leipheimer burns the course at Solvang to add 18 seconds to his lead.

Check out the final two stages of the Tour of California.

Live video and highlights via Adobe Flash Media starting at 1:45pm EST.

The Versus sports network starts coverage at 5:00pm EST, with a replay at midnight.

Levi Leipheimer currently leads Jens Voigt by 21 seconds. Today's stage runs 105 miles through the mountains from Santa Barbara to Santa Clarita.


32 posted on 02/24/2007 10:46:06 AM PST by concentric circles
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To: af_vet_rr
how incompetent are these people

That's just it, though. The Chatenay-Malabry lab keeps committing the same violations of ethics & protocols year after year. They keep cheating, they keep getting rebuked & nothing ever changes year after year. It's obviously not incompetence, it's willful corruption.

The only scenario I can come up with that TdF officials refuse to separate themselves from these crooks is that they must all have a gambling problem & use C-M to fix the races so that they can keep getting payouts from their bookies.

Otherwise I'm just at a loss to explain why they would delberately sabatoge the international reputation & prestige of their own race by continuing to use these sleazeballs. It's crazy!

33 posted on 02/24/2007 11:07:51 AM PST by leilani
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To: July 4th

I think he also agreed to a deal with TdF not to ride the tour this year in exchange for race officials deferring their decision on stripping his title until after the USADA hearing on his case (in May IIRC?).


34 posted on 02/24/2007 11:11:49 AM PST by leilani
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To: concentric circles
I saw the Tour of CA when it came to Sacramento. The finish line was a couple blocks from my office. I went to work at 5am so I could get out and see it. Completely awesome! What a thrill to have that in Sacramento.
35 posted on 02/24/2007 11:41:37 AM PST by UlmoLordOfWaters
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To: UlmoLordOfWaters

I'm planning on being there today. I haven't decided on whether to watch the finish or an uphill section where they will pass by at a much slower speed. I'll probably check out the finish because it will involve three laps of a three mile circuit so they will pass by three times. Looking forward to seeing a lot of world class cyclists, world champion Paolo Bettini among them.

Jens Voigt just put a move on Leipheimer, trying leave him behind but Levi went out with him.


36 posted on 02/24/2007 12:08:58 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: cyclotic

"That said, I believe Landis in innocent. He is one of the few riders who races with a computerized monitor. It measures watts of energy produced by the bike that they can download for analysis. He said that except for one short 45 second burst of excess energy early in the ride, his wattage was nearly identical to his training rides on the same course."

Indeed. That is probably the most telling stat in this whole mess. That and the fact that in order to register the high level of testosterone the lab allegedly found in Floyd's sample would take extended use and would have shown up in earlier stages.

Nice pull on the water bottles also!

To the frog lab...."...aurevoir go-fair!"


37 posted on 02/24/2007 12:28:17 PM PST by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! "On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" By David Grossman)
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To: concentric circles
Wish I could be out at Long Beach today(sun)!

For anybody who's interested here's a piece from the NYT yesterday about the Tour of Cal with some stuff about the squabble between UCI/ProTour & Amaury (promoter of TdF & Paris-Nice)about who gets to ride.(Disco has been pulled out of Paris-Nice).

Sheesh. Cycling's such a soap opera! As The Gear Turns!

38 posted on 02/25/2007 6:03:49 AM PST by leilani
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To: leilani

European sports federations are like kingdoms ruled by effete aristocrats. Nike played a groundbreaking role, years ago, in twisting their undies by taking sponsorship and endorsement deals straight to the athletes and bypassing the federations who had been accustomed to raking in all the dough and perks for themselves.

The NY Times story is an interesting look at one of those federations trying to hold on to power but it also shows the Eurocentric orientation of the Times in that the story of the day's racing in California is submerged in a story about European struggles.


39 posted on 02/25/2007 10:44:51 AM PST by concentric circles
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To: Baynative
This entire affair stunk to high hell right from the start. The French are jealous and vindictive snobs. They have ruined Floyd's accomplishment, his personal legacy and marketability. This disgusting false accusation on their part has cost him immeasurably, both financially and emotionally.

Thanks for the ping! I couldn't agree more. They tried to go after Lance, and ultimately failed, and were relieved when he retired. Only to have yet un autre Americain rising to the top of their race?? Seems they couldn't have that and went to great measures to be sure there would be no 'Lance II'. What a shame.

Ironically, I am sensing that this has also damaged the tour.

I think I agree. For the near term at least. What made Le Tour the 'greatest' among the bicycle races was it's length, the sheer endurance needed to race for 3 or so weeks and win. They've shot themselves in the foot over this one.

40 posted on 02/25/2007 7:13:54 PM PST by fortunecookie (My computer is back!)
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