Skip to comments.Rose Fever: Pursuit of the perfect garden (a springtime vanity)
Posted on 03/18/2007 8:05:23 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum
Spring fever has got me. I want to get out of the house, away from the computer, and dig in the dirt. Getting ready to start a new rose bed. Anybody else out there nuts about roses?
So, as winter has given way to early spring, I have rebuilt the garden wall and leveled it out, so the slope to one side is now three bricks deep to the other side's one brick, and added another row. The rhodenderons, which don't grow well here anyway are history. The weeds are pulled. I need to add more soil. I want this bed to be a rose garden now. It gets lots of light. The soil is a little clay-ey at points, but not totally. I raked up all the ugly stone a tenant had put on one half the bed. It's ready to be amended.
Anybody got advice about rose bed soil?
Please keep us posted. I have no great insights on roses. Jackson Perkins seems to have a lot of good varieties.
Anyone nuts about heirloom tomatoes? Just ordered umpteen dollars worth of seeds. If you're in the 4 corners NM area, let me know, should have lots of fruit! LOL.
Heirloom tomatos are fun too...I don't know if I'll get my veggie garden in this year, but next year! I have a back yard that's about 70 ft. wide, about 100 ft. from the patio to the back of the fence, and it's empty...waiting to be turned into something worth gardening. I'm planning on planting a plum, maybe a couple of peach trees, put in a shed, a fountain, a veggie patch, and some more flowers. It's like a blank piece of paper...just waiting to be written on. But it won't be done in one year.
I like cheese...
I'd love some but live in Indiana. One of my favorites is Brandywine.
Roses must have excellent drainage. They do better in sandy soil than they do in peaty or clay soil. You said you've got clay; you'll need to replace that soil, or build raised beds.
You live in Idaho? Check this USDA Hardiness Zone Map. Your zone will determine how hardy the roses have to be. (For example, I live in southern New Hampshire, Zone 5b. I can't depend on having any plant labeled zone 6 or higher survive the winter.)
Go with "own root roses", not grafted ones. The roses in most catalogs, such as J&P, are grafted. The graft is very sensitive to cold.
Don't bother with hybrid teas, unless you want to spend time in the fall burying or "cocooning" the plants. And then there's no guarantee. Go with roses labeled "hardy."
This online catalog (in Oregon) has some examples of hardy and own root roses. You may be able to find a selection at a local nursery. They say all their roses are own root, so maybe their hybrid teas would survive.
Roses must have full sun for at least 6 hours a day. More is better for abundance of blooms.
I'm not a rose novice, and was a semi-serious rose enthusiast back in Houston, even a member of the rose society, but this is a different climate. This area is very hard to start bareroots roses, which is why my roses are still in the nursery, in a greenhouse. I will be putting them in a raised bed, which has some added topsoil; there is still room for a good bit more soil and amendments, and I have another 3 weeks to get the bed ready. We're zone 6 here, and so I'm not so needful of extra hardy, but it gets dry. I won't plant anything not rated zone 5, just to be safe, though. And I'm getting my plants through the best local nursery, where they have lots of talent on staff.
I am planting floribundas, not hybrid teas, though. Cherish, a Star Rose patented variety, is the one I'm really looking forward to.
The house I used to live in in Ogden once upon a time had had a lovely rosebed. But the original owner not only put in the rosebed, but also planted a walnut tree that overshadowed the garden. What a waste. I had mercy on the plants, dug them up and gave them to a friend with a sunny yard.
My current yard is sunbaked acres...great place for a rose bed.
I like feta, stiltson and brie...how about you?
Nacho, cheddar, maybe some Double Gloucester
You can't forget Papaver Somniferum. No flower garden is complete without it! ;^)
Oh, THANK you for starting this thread! We had a 3 rail white equine fence put up across the 130 feet of our front yard road border, and the man who put it up also dug holes about every 8 feet between posts for roses, I was thinking of red climbers, thought it'd be pretty over the fence. I was wanting something that blooms like crazy all summer long...
Red rose shining in the sun
Rosa alba white as snow,
Gillyflowers pink and white
Thus will my sweet garden grow.
Johnny jumpups in the spring,
Sunflower in the summer sun,
Daylilies stretched out in a line,
Thus will my sweet garden run.
Crabapple blossoms in the spring,
Red fruit shining in the snow,
as my roses sleep till spring
Thus will my sweet garden go.
Climbing roses can be so pretty. I am thinking of putting some in the back yard next year, but I know I'll be lucky to rework my front this year.
I'm thinking bright red climbing clusters. ;-D
The holes are 18 inches deep, just waiting to be filled. I thought we'd put topsoil mixed with manure, put the roses in that, and fertize with Miracle-Gro rose fertilizer. Oh, and put some seven dust on them, or whatever, to keep the bugs off.
Planted a dozen "Red Freedom" hedge roses bought bareroot from Springhill the first spring after I moved in, they grew to 4ft and bloomed from June through November till a killing frost. The second year they were 6ft monsters with some canes an inch or more across. I pruned heavy the following spring and they still got huge. I put Meidilands around my birdbath and Knockouts along the driveway. All bloom now from May till killing frost and some even a bit beyond if we have an Indian summer.
Black spot and Aphids are the devil though. Don't water the leaves in fact I don't water them at all if we get biweekly or so rain and they do fine. Spraying with a solution of dish detergent and baking soda seems to help with both Aphids and Black Spot.
Me me ME!! Ooh, I'm so glad to see a roses thread. I have about 30 roses planted around our little ranch, and I'm working on more. I ordered them from Chamblee's roses in Tyler TX, and I have been thrilled with them.
There was a time when I would have never even attempted roses; I thought they had to be pruned and sprayed and babied. I'm totally lazy and not really good at gardening, so anything that I plant had better be "bullet proof". But after I "discovered" heirlooms and own-root roses, it opened up a whole new world for me in the garden...
I specifically bought heirloom and own-root roses that have been designated as "earth-kind" for Texas by Texas A&M horticulturalists. (That sounds like an "eco-nut" thing, but it simply means the roses do well without spraying or too much water). They have done magnificently, even in a drought and without a lot of attention. I did virtually nothing to prepare the soil, only fertilized once (with Miracle Gro) and still they grew! VERY disease resistant and hardy!
Here is my rose list so far:
Shrub, Climber and Landscape Roses
Climbing Pinkie (4)
Reve D' Or
Sombruiel (mislabelled as "La Biche")
Climbing Cecile Brunner
Climbing Joseph's Coat
Mrs. Oakley Fisher
and a GIANT unknown gloriously red grandiflora planted the gardener before me...
AND IN THE OTHER CORNER:
Teas, "Tea Types" and Hybrid Tea Roses (In the enclosed front "Rose Garden")
Baroness Henriette De Snoy
I'm very excited about this year's "crop" of roses, since we are entering our third year after planting and I am hoping the recent rains will bring plenty of beautiful blooms...
As for heirloom tomatoes, I have three I am planting this year: Arkansas Traveler, Cherokee Purple, and Yellow Pear. I had great success with Yellow Pear, but I think it was simply too hot for Brandywine last year :P This year I'm going to test Arkansas Traveler and Cherokee Purple to see if they'll produce in the terrific Texas heat!
Hey, could we start "The Rose Garden" ping list?
Here are some good rose sites:
Rose growing in south central Texas:
That sounds like a great idea!
Shame on you! Keep your doggies out of my flower bed. LOL!
The ones I picked aren't same root, but they are disease resistant. After having grown roses near the gulf coast, I know how important that can be.
But worse than diseases are not enough light and too much bermuda grass sneaking in the rosebed! I HATE Bermuda grass.
Thanks for those links, they look great. I just snuck a peek at the front page of gardener's net.
There are a lot more info sites out there. I got tired of looking!
One trick I read was to dig a deep enough hole to pour in a bag of good grade potting soil and plant your rose in that...suspect it would work well if you don't like your soil.
Yes, I know, the net is a veritable Library of Alexandria...
P-I-I-I-N-G to my nutty buddies.....
Black spot is the yucks! That's why I want to convert all my flower beds to drip.
I like hybrid teas myself, quickly followed by floribundas and then there are some nice grandifloras....*sigh*... I just have no land at the moment.
Have never tried climbers but, btw, the sweet peas are starting to bloom here in SoCal. I first saw and inhaled them today on my walk. Oh, and wisteria is on the way...
Let me know how your Arkansas Traveler does. I tried it once, didn't get too far with it... perhaps was too close to the salt sea.
Don't mention wisteria to me...I had huge amounts of it in Ogden, and as beautiful as it is, it is a weed! LOL!
Yes, if it weren't for "earthkind roses" everything would be dead except the natives... which is why, for back-up, I planted a bunch of Texas wildflowers from Wildseed Farms. I also let the larkspur, blue-stars and winecups come up all over the yard. Just in case my luck runs out, they'll be something here that just might live!
Here's the web-site with the list.
Perle d' Or
Katy Road Pink (Carefree Beauty)
Duchesse de Brabant
Earth Kind Rose Brigade Trial Cultivars:
Blushing Knock Out
Comtesse du Cayla
Mme. Antoine Mari
Mrs. Dudley Cross
Pink Knock Out
Souvenir de St. Annes
I think they'd live in Idaho as well... where are you located? I used to live in Boise - GREAT volcanic soil!!!
I might move there, just for that purpose. Teasing.... sort of.
Southeast Boise it is! It is a bit clayish on our lot though...which is why I made a raised bed with topsoil from zamzows...but before I top off the raised bed, I want to get more organic stuff in it. Whatever it was in the mix, it grew snapdragons like mad once upon a time. And tulips.
I think that's why I was never into planting vine-y, climbing things, unless they are edible like beans.
When I lived down south, I loved Jasmine, but it's not hardy enough for here...much better behaved than wisteria! I have thought about grapes, though....
Well folks, I'm going to have to call it a night. If you would like to be pinged for further rose discussion, let me know!
Argh, jasmine is everywhere here.... gaggggg....:) Set me free.
Give a shot at some grapes. They can be a challenge from what I've heard.
I agree with you that not all can be done in one year. Year after year, layer upon layer, your garden will grow.
I'll let you know how the tomatoes turn out - all my tomatoes wallowed last year (with the exception of the pear ones) but I think that was because of the 110 degree heat.
Hey, as far as roses are concerned, have you tried miniature roses in containers? They are perfect for sunny balconies and stuff. I especially like "Cupcake" and "Rainbow"...
Yeah, I could get some of those at Trader Joe's, just short of a sunny spot here but I'll keep looking.
That also pushed me more into Daylilies and Irises, I've gone Iris nuts lately especially rebloomers, Immortality is an Iris that belongs in heaven.
I'll probably have enough seeds to share a few. If you are seriously interested, let me know. I just ordered maybe 10 packets of such seeds.
What region are you in?
I like raised beds. How about you? Weeding is much easier--especially on old knees.
I ordered that one. Some purple tomatoes. Several orange types for the intensified lypocine sp?
Happy spring to you.
SALLY HOLMES--6-12 feet whitish rose hedge type rose from EDMUNDS ROSES
I think Stark has something similar.
But probably a climber of a deep red would look more beautiful on the fence. The one above would obscure the fence eventually.
Goodness 70 feet by 100 feet.
I love landscaping as a past time even if just in my head.
I suppose I could come up with some possibilities if you shared some of your interests and preferences.
Alas, we can't grow cheddar OR brie (or emanthaler) down here in GA. Darn.
I just bought a few things from rareseeds.com and planted them yesterday (inside)
I can't wait to see how they do! I do have plum tomatoes.
Forth of July? Are those the ones with striped red and white petals?
I had a very beautiful antique rose bush where we used to live, it was a flat rose flower with a bright yellow center, and red and white striped petals. I never knew the name (bought it from a roadside stand as a cutting) but brought them to work, and some people who saw them said it was "Fourth of July." The flowers had a good rose smell, it had plenty of thorns, and was very hardy after it got going.
We moved in January a year ago, and during all the excitement, I forgot to get my cutting. The people who bought our old place cut it down--they didn't like roses--they took out my gardens, etc. Oh well. It's their place now.
I love roses too although I've killed a lot of them. I'll have to second that comment about drainage. Since I dug a six inch drench around the beds; they are doing loads better. If I could do it again I'd do raised beds.
I'm zone 5/6 and some roses reputed to be tender have done well here.
Eden (Pierre de Ronsard /Meilland)
Teasing Georgia (Austin)
Gertrude Jekyll (Austin)
Sea Foam (shrub)
Leda (painted Damask)
However for toughness (provided you have drainage) and ease of care nothing beats the Rugosa roses.
Jackson and Perkins new hybrid tea "Pope John Paul II" is getting good reviews too. I'm going to try a bed of that with "Our Lady of Guadalupe" as an accent . "Our Lady" is a blooming machine here but it does get winter damage and takes awhile to get out of it.
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