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Airbus' A380 is a huge jet, but lacks 747's glamour
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^
| Last updated April 6, 2007 3:35 p.m. PT
| CHRISTINE NEGRONI
Posted on 04/08/2007 9:40:26 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
Nothing more than a flying mega-bus.
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posted on
04/08/2007 9:48:12 AM PDT
by
roaddog727
(BullS##t does not get bridges built)
To: Paleo Conservative
The 380 must be on every terrorist’s target list. Wait’ll some nutjob flies 800 passengers into a building somewhere.
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posted on
04/08/2007 9:50:20 AM PDT
by
gotribe
( I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution... - Grover Cleveland.)
To: Paleo Conservative
What else is to be expected from a company that is funded and regulated by a political entity that thinks of the state as glorious, but the people little more than cattle?
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posted on
04/08/2007 9:51:23 AM PDT
by
Moonman62
(The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
To: Paleo Conservative
stick a fork in europe... it climaxed.
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posted on
04/08/2007 9:52:23 AM PDT
by
Porterville
(All hail the Prophet Gore, an ass dressed in a lion's skin)
To: Porterville
Stick a fork in europe... it climaxed and was shooting blanks.
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posted on
04/08/2007 9:53:01 AM PDT
by
Porterville
(All hail the Prophet Gore, an ass dressed in a lion's skin)
To: Paleo Conservative
Well, its very simple. The 747 was built by men with imagination a slide-rule. The A-280 was designed by two versions of incompatible software. There is no style to the A-380, no elegance. The thing looks like one of those large Russian cargo planes, while the stuff out of Boeing look like cruise-liners.
There is the old adage that suggests that what looks good will fly good, and in this case it appears true, as every A-380 landing I see, comes with a moment of yaw suggesting that the vertical tail loses authority at high alpha conditions. Anyone can watch how much the rudder is working to see that the ILS is working hard to keep it on centerline.
747s and especially 777s are rock solid in all flight aspects, but I think it is a good bet that one of these A-380s is going to have a really bad landing someday and kill a lot of people.
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posted on
04/08/2007 9:53:47 AM PDT
by
Pukin Dog
(Sans Reproache)
To: Pukin Dog
There are partially good landings, those you walk away from and then there are good ones, those that allow you to take off again.
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:03:20 AM PDT
by
dalereed
To: Paleo Conservative
Take an airplane 33 percent bigger than a 747 and fill it with just 25 percent more passengers and a slightly more spacious environment will be the result. And that will last until the airlines look at their balance sheets and decide that the A380's seating should be set to have 50% more passengers that the 747. Passengers will moo in delight at being shoved into another cattle car in the sky.
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:04:32 AM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
To: dalereed
There are partially good landings, those you walk away from and then there are good ones, those that allow you to take off again. The closest I've ever been was one where the pilots decided to hide in the cockpit afterward and let the flight attendents listen to comments about having a fine carrier landing: fast and very hard.
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:07:08 AM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
To: Pukin Dog
747-400 has to be the prettiest plane flyin IMHO..
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:13:32 AM PDT
by
GeorgiaDawg32
(There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots..)
To: KarlInOhio
I did one of those partiall ones when I totaled my Saraqtoga.
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:15:10 AM PDT
by
dalereed
To: Pukin Dog
The 747 was made with a vision of making profits for the airplane maker by providing a product that will make money for the buyer.
The a380 was made to hand out the maximum number of jobs across the EU and create public works projects as all airports in the EU are forced to upgrade to take this monster.
Does anyone know if it is still taking up two airplane slots per takeoff landing?
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:17:08 AM PDT
by
longtermmemmory
(VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
To: Pukin Dog
I reckon that the A380 has an extra-wide fuselage. Do you think that there getting more than normal turbulence in the airflow around the tail?
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:18:15 AM PDT
by
Rockpile
To: GeorgiaDawg32
That would be the B-1 Lancer. Nothing prettier.
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:21:45 AM PDT
by
Pukin Dog
(Sans Reproache)
To: Rockpile
No, I think the width, especially at the rear wing roots, disrupts airflow to the stab at approach angles, ruining directional stability.
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:23:17 AM PDT
by
Pukin Dog
(Sans Reproache)
To: longtermmemmory
I don't know, but I believe they are still looking at two slots for wake turbulence.
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:24:19 AM PDT
by
Pukin Dog
(Sans Reproache)
To: Pukin Dog
I suppose that will keep the crew busy during approaches in strong or gusty crosswinds.
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posted on
04/08/2007 10:34:46 AM PDT
by
Rockpile
To: gotribe; KarlInOhio
if you remember, they actually selected flights knowing the plane would be nearly empty, so that it would be easier to deal with the passengers.
In these post-911 days I don’t think it would be feasible to hijack any filled aircraft and live to tell the tale, let alone an A380.
Karl, I think these airlines are trying to figure out ways to fill these planes, and they are obviously worried that they won’t be able to, thus the tactic of not pushing the plane to its highest capacity. I think they’d rather have passengers more comfortable than fly with empty seats, particularly since comfort might be a competitive advantage.
D
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posted on
04/08/2007 11:01:30 AM PDT
by
daviddennis
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