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Israeli researchers: 'Lucy' is not direct ancestor of humans
jpost.com ^ | 4-16-2007 | JUDY SIEGEL-ITZKOVICH

Posted on 04/16/2007 8:51:39 AM PDT by bedolido

Tel Aviv University anthropologists say they have disproven the theory that "Lucy" - the world-famous 3.2-million-year-old Australopithecus afarensis skeleton found in Ethiopia 33 years ago - is the last ancestor common to humans and another branch of the great apes family known as the "Robust hominids."


The jaw bone of Lucy and the jaw bone of Australopithecus afarensis.

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: ancestor; bloodbath; crevo; crevolist; dlrhumor; evolution; fsmdidit; godsgravesglyphs; humans; ignoranceisstrength; israeli; lucy; researchers
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1 posted on 04/16/2007 8:51:43 AM PDT by bedolido
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To: bedolido

“Lucy, you got some ‘splainin’ to do.”


2 posted on 04/16/2007 8:52:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: bedolido
It belongs to the ancestor of Nikolai Valuev
3 posted on 04/16/2007 9:01:31 AM PDT by giobruno
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To: bedolido
1. The headline is wrong. The Israeli researchers didn't prove anything. They made a coherent argument based on a morphological analysis. That argument may or may not be accepted by the scientific community, depending on what other research may indicate.

2. Even if true, this isn't all that surprising. While we're all familiar with the simple linear evolutionary projections we see in elementary school textbooks, the fossil record is much more complex, filled with branches, dead ends, hybridization and other weird stuff. It's often hard to figure out the exact evolutionary path from a series of specimens.

4 posted on 04/16/2007 9:08:11 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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In before the bloodbath. :')

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5 posted on 04/16/2007 10:29:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dfwgator

Now THAT’S funny...


6 posted on 04/16/2007 10:44:53 AM PDT by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/07/1/l_071_03.html
http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/humans/riddle/riddle.swf?mii=1


7 posted on 04/16/2007 10:55:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Footprints to Fill:
Flat feet and doubts about
makers of the Laetoli tracks

by Kate Wong
August 1, 2005
Scientific American
The case for A. afarensis as the Laetoli trailblazer hinges on the fact that fossils of the species are known from the site and that the only available reconstruction of what this hominid's foot looked like is compatible with the morphology evident in the footprints. But in a presentation given at the American Association of Physical Anthropologists meeting in April, William E. H. Harcourt-Smith of the American Museum of Natural History and Charles E. Hilton of Western Michigan University took issue with the latter assertion.

The prints show that whoever made them had a humanlike foot arch, and the reconstructed A. afarensis foot exhibits just such an arch. So far, so good. The problem, Harcourt-Smith and Hilton say, is that the reconstruction is actually based on a patchwork of bones from 3.2-million-year-old afarensis and 1.8-million-year-old Homo habilis. And one of the bones used to determine whether the foot was in fact arched--the so-called navicular--is from H. habilis, not A. afarensis.

8 posted on 04/16/2007 11:20:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dfwgator
“Lucy, you got some ‘splainin’ to do.”

That's just one of the many problems with dating an older woman.

9 posted on 04/16/2007 11:46:14 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx

That’s not what Helen Thomas says, a close friend of Lucy’s.


10 posted on 04/16/2007 12:54:34 PM PDT by elephantlips
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To: Alter Kaker

I like your tag line, and how true that really is, we only think that gravity is the real ldeal, but at sometime in the future someone may show that it really doesn’t even exist but what attracts bodies is something different.


11 posted on 04/16/2007 5:19:57 PM PDT by stockpirate (A nation that doesn't honor it warriors will be defeated by a nation that does. (read my profile))
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To: bedolido

Without the Israelis knowing all the Dems, how can they be so certain she wasn’t some folks ancestor?


12 posted on 04/16/2007 8:07:20 PM PDT by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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13 posted on 04/17/2007 9:47:11 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: Alter Kaker
filled with branches, dead ends

Ain't that the truth. Lies lead to deadends.

14 posted on 04/17/2007 10:44:30 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever
Ain't that the truth. Lies lead to deadends.

Trilobites are a lie?

15 posted on 04/17/2007 10:57:28 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: stockpirate

Interesting philosophical take, but not quite what I think I was getting at.


16 posted on 04/17/2007 10:58:21 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

“Trilobites are a lie?”

Trilobites are extinct arthropods.
Dead creatures tell no tales; they leave that to the archaeologists.


17 posted on 04/17/2007 11:15:23 AM PDT by E-Mat (Made in China = Arms for Tyrants)
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To: Alter Kaker

“Interesting philosophical take, but not quite what I think I was getting at.”

I totally understood your point but wanted to get your thinking outside the box. Gravity is something we have recently described, and there may actually be something other than that at play.

At one time science did not believe that rocks fell from the heavens and tey said that it was “fold lore” and superstistion and nothing more.

They held this believe for almost 300 years.


18 posted on 04/17/2007 11:19:35 AM PDT by stockpirate (A nation that doesn't honor it warriors will be defeated by a nation that does. (read my profile))
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To: stockpirate
At one time science did not believe that rocks fell from the heavens and tey said that it was “fold lore” and superstistion and nothing more. They held this believe for almost 300 years.

Scientists denied the existence of meteors for 300 years? Who, when, where? I've never heard of this.


19 posted on 04/17/2007 11:26:11 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

They had a show recently on the History channel. And there is a church in France I think that has a rock that fell from space and someone actually watched it fall and where it landed.

The church has had the rock for several hundred years. And people come from all over to see the rock.

Before this time it believed that nothing fell from the sky ie rocks.

And when a rock was shown to be different it was said the ground was hit by lighting.

Google I am sure you can find it.

And FYI, they found a gold amulet in South America that is several hundred years old. And engineer made an exact model only 4 feet long, of this amulet with an engine on it and he could fly it. The amulet looks just like the space shuttle.


20 posted on 04/17/2007 1:17:39 PM PDT by stockpirate (A nation that doesn't honor it warriors will be defeated by a nation that does. (read my profile))
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