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Tolkien Book Hailed as Prophetic
Zenit News Agency ^ | April 27, 2007

Posted on 04/28/2007 12:06:00 AM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer
Why is there some attempt to link Tolkien's writings with Christianity?

The [King] of the Rings wasn't about Christianity, and neither (probably) is this.

21 posted on 04/28/2007 9:02:10 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Why is there some attempt to link Tolkien's writings with Christianity?

While, unlike C.S. Lewis, Tolkien avoided outright allegory, his books are loaded with Christian symbolism and parallels.

Example: the Fellowship of the Ring had no less than three Christ-figures in it. Gandalf, the risen Christ. Frodo, the Christ whose suffering redeems the world. Aragorn, Christ the King.

22 posted on 04/28/2007 10:52:05 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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Why is there some attempt to link Tolkien's writings with Christianity?

"Tolkien insisted that the fact that he was "a Christian (which can be deduced from my stories), and in fact a Roman Catholic," was the most important and "really significant" element in his work."

Why Tolkien Says The Lord of the Rings Is Catholic

23 posted on 04/28/2007 2:06:39 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Sherman Logan
But (granted, the same with some of the Chronicles of Narnia--i.e. Prince Caspian), Tolkien's works are loaded with a bunch of paganism, too. And it is difficult to see whether it is exactly a Christian work(s), or simply a story of (as another freeper put it*) good versus bad.

Then of course, it could be pointed out that the most noble of the group you mentioned would be Gandalf. Gandalf is a wizard--which is a bad thing in "Judeo-"Christianity (granted, this could be the weakest point). Then there is Frodo, who is rather wimpy in his resolve to destroy the ring, and who actually somewhat befriends Gollum (who does Gollum represent in the Christian viewpoint--an actual question); he almost keeps the ring, and is somewhat corrupted by it. As for Aragorn--he would be the "middle point" with Gandalf's wizardry being the weakest and Frodo being the strongest--Aragorn is sort of shirking his duties to become king.

*The other freeper linked good versus bad with Christianity; personally of the opinion that there can be good vs. bad stories without a Christian grounding to that story.

It should also be pointed out, that personally not unbiased in the least on this topic. Find a lot of Christian allegorical stories to be "risky" because they are almost invariably not going to be a direct match and have errors.

24 posted on 04/29/2007 5:54:49 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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Aragorn is sort of shirking his duties to become king.

I believe you're confusing the movie storyline with that of the book. In Tolkien's writing Aragorn has worked continuously for over 40 years towards becoming King.

One of my biggest disappointments in the movie storyline is the way it portrays Aragorn as indecisive and unsure whether he wants to be or is worthy to be King.

There's not a trace of this in Tolkien. Sometimes Strider is unsure how to proceed towards his goal, but he isn't a bit unsure of what that goal is. For one thing, achieving Kingship is his only route to marriage with the woman he's loved for 60 years, and been engaged to for 40 years. Quite an incentive.

25 posted on 04/29/2007 7:56:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Tolkien, as I stated before, was conciously not writing allegory. He never intended an “exact match.”

However, some may see “applicability” of concepts where exact parallels do not exist. I certainly do.

I’m afraid I don’t understand your criticism of Frodo as being “somewhat corrupted” by the Ring. The Ring represents absolute evil and absolute temptation, and a key component of Christian belief is that mere men (or hobbits) are not strong enough in and of themselves to resist absolute temptation. In a pre-redemption world it’s not a bit surprising that Frodo is not directly given support from the Holy Spirit that might help him to resist. Only those who have never succumbed to temptation themselves can validly criticize Frodo for being unable to resist a far greater temptation than any of us are likely to ever be faced with.

His assignment from the Council is to do the best he can, which he does. His final succumbing to evil is merely an illustration of the fact that none of us have the strength in and of ourselves to always resist. We are weak and require help from outside ourselves.

Today Christ provides the strength we need in time of temptation. Frodo was helped in his hour of crisis by “chance, if chance you call it.”


26 posted on 04/29/2007 8:06:51 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Silly

Whenever reading a book, always assume that everybody dies in the end. Therefore, the books will always have happier endings and they can’t be spoiled for you.


27 posted on 04/29/2007 8:17:10 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 86 days away from outliving Curt Hennig (whoever he is))
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To: SamAdams76

That just won’t do. If the three little pigs die in the end, everybody gets ham sandwiches. Taking my sandwiches away would make me sad.

I don’t want to talk about sandwiches any more.


28 posted on 04/29/2007 3:10:28 PM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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