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Aging punk rocker still swears - but not near the kids
Reuters ^ | 5/8/07 | Belinda Goldsmith

Posted on 05/08/2007 7:37:13 AM PDT by qam1

As the singer in a punk rock band, Jim Lindberg faces the dilemma of many of his graying contemporaries - how to swear and lead a life of rebellion while raising children and paying the mortgage.

Lindberg, lead singer of California band Pennywise, still dyes his hair and plays songs at full volume but he also drives his three daughters to school, lets them listen to Britney Spears, and pays his taxes.

Lindberg, 41, is one of the aging breed of punk rockers from the 1970s and 1980s who are finding a way to reconcile a life of rebellion with parental responsibilities such as disciplining children and worrying about media violence.

"This is the graying of punk rock where a lot of people who grew up in the 1970s and 1980s are now at an age where they are having kids and getting mortgages. It is a new experience for us," Lindberg told Reuters in a telephone interview.

"The strangest part for a lot of my peer group is that we grew up championing the rights of expression but then you see some slasher movie and won't let the kids watch it."

Lindberg has just written a book about raising a family while staying true to his punk core which is called "Punk Rock Dad" - but he admits he probably won't let his daughters, aged 3, 8 and 10, read it due to the bad language and party talk.

Lindberg said he is one of millions of dads who grew up in the 1970s following Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols and Joey Ramone of the Ramones, adopting punk rock's rebellious attitude toward the establishment and distinctive clothing.

Pennywise, named after the monster from the Stephen King horror novel "It", formed in Hermona Beach, California, in 1988 and is still going, with plans for a new album this year.

In 1996 the band's former bassist Jason Thirsk shot himself at the age of 28 after battling alcoholism.

Lindberg said Thirsk's death was a real wake up call and then he became a father which really made him grow up although some of his peers have changed little from the early days.

"Generation Xers are suffering from prolonged adolescence. You have a lot of people aged 40 and up trying desperately to hold on to their youth, shirking responsibility," said Lindberg.

"It is almost certainly defined by those who do have kids and those who don't. Those with kids have cut down on the party circuit and try to limit time away from their family but those without kids still act like they are 18."

But Lindberg believes becoming a father, who promotes the benefits of vegetables and early bed, does not necessitate abandoning punk rock.

He argues punk music is more about freedom of expression than anti-social behavior - and punk rockers can be conservative and make good, role-model fathers .

"I probably began with the idea that punk rock dads are different from others but I came out the other side realizing that we are really all the same," he said.

"But I think as long as you stick to the ideals of punk music, you can be a grey punk rocker."


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1 posted on 05/08/2007 7:37:17 AM PDT by qam1
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; InShanghai; xrp; ...
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social (and sometimes nostalgic) aspects that directly effects Generation Reagan / Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details and previous articles.

2 posted on 05/08/2007 7:39:02 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1
I'd actually start "Generation Reagan" with 1962, the youngest voters able to vote for him twice.

I actually voted for him, legally, at 17. >:)

-Eric

3 posted on 05/08/2007 7:41:00 AM PDT by E Rocc (Myspace "Freepers" group moderator)
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To: qam1
A lot of people who are really into "freedom of expression" don't have much to say. They just lack maturity and self-control and want to get away with whatever they can get away with. "Hey, I'm expressing myself. Back off."

Sounds like this guy has grown up a little. But not a lot.

4 posted on 05/08/2007 7:42:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’ll take aging punkers over aging hippies any day of the week.


5 posted on 05/08/2007 7:45:31 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: qam1

Pennywise was OK, but I’m a Bad Religion zealot.


6 posted on 05/08/2007 7:46:12 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: qam1
Prematurely old and gray, refusing to admit the folly of his youth.

Growing up's a bitch, huh?

7 posted on 05/08/2007 7:46:37 AM PDT by Kenton (All vices in moderation. I don't want to overdo any but I don't want to skip any either.)
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To: qam1
"But I think as long as you stick to the ideals of punk music, you can be a grey punk rocker."

Yes, but to the kids, you'll always be a poseur. 18-year-olds are going to live forever, after all, and have no desire to take cues from some geezer. ;)

8 posted on 05/08/2007 7:47:39 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: qam1

9 posted on 05/08/2007 7:47:45 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (<--- "Crazy Aunt" Conservative)
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To: qam1

Sell out!!

Nah, just kidding, life is a series of stages, you can fight it or go with it. Moving past one stage into another doesn’t make you a sell out or disqualify what you may have accomplished in an earlier stage, it’s just a natural progression of life. Peter Pan is a fantasy and folks like his dead bandmate illustrate that point.
Experience changes a man for the good or bad and experience makes it impossible to return to one’s youth no matter how hard you try.


10 posted on 05/08/2007 7:50:09 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Thrownatbirth

Pennywise is largely a Bad Religion ripoff anyways.


11 posted on 05/08/2007 7:52:25 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: qam1
"Generation Xers are suffering from prolonged adolescence. You have a lot of people aged 40 and up trying desperately to hold on to their youth, shirking responsibility," said Lindberg.

Y'know--completely unlike the baby boomers. Where does he think we learned it from?

12 posted on 05/08/2007 7:55:02 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (Banning Bread and Circuses is the New Bread and Circuses....)
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To: qam1
Pennywise is as about as punk as my toddler.

NTTAWTT...but it's a misnomer.

13 posted on 05/08/2007 7:59:20 AM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: qam1; dfwgator
Never listened to Pennywise, they may be a good band, but I just lump them in with the quasi punk bands that came out in the 90s. If they weren't around in the 70s/80s, I can't really consider them punk--but that's a personal thing.

But this guy sounds pretty cool. And yes, aging punks are preferrable to aging hippies. The sad thing is, punks tend to die early, whereas the hippies just cling tenaciously to this mortal coil.

Punk moms rule... well, at least I do! ;-)

14 posted on 05/08/2007 8:15:27 AM PDT by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Un-dead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: RepoGirl

They don’t rule nearly as hard as headbanger dads!!


16 posted on 05/08/2007 8:42:39 AM PDT by T.Smith
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To: T.Smith

Okay, before I cede to that comment, I’m going to need a list of bands that qualify as headbangin’ music. For instance: Kiss, Metallica, JP, Maiden and Danzig — acceptable. Poison, Winger, Cinderella...not. :-D


17 posted on 05/08/2007 8:53:36 AM PDT by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Un-dead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: qam1

“Generation Xers are suffering from prolonged adolescence. You have a lot of people aged 40 and up trying desperately to hold on to their youth, shirking responsibility,” said Lindberg.

Not all of us- By the Grace of God, I am 38 and have been married for 19 years and at the same job for 15 years.

I went through the 70s and 80s, too, but didn’t learn EVERYTHING from pop culture. We also learned from The Gipper himself.


18 posted on 05/08/2007 8:53:51 AM PDT by trillabodilla (Jesus Saves)
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To: qam1

Sigh. Beacuse of this article, I’m going to have “Punk Rock Girl” stuck in my head for the rest of the day.


19 posted on 05/08/2007 9:14:03 AM PDT by Starter
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To: T.Smith; RepoGirl
Punk moms rule...

They don’t rule nearly as hard as headbanger dads!!

True, and my little girl has one of each! :)

20 posted on 05/08/2007 9:39:00 AM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (If this city were any 'bluer', it'd be spelled 'bleu'.)
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To: To Hell With Poverty
I just checked your freep profile! Little Stella is such a beauty!! Congrats, and welcome to the Stay at Home club!

IIRC, we chatted before when you were still in "baking mode". She's gorgeous (and of course, I'm in full baby fever now, hoping a second will arrive next year!)

Too bad you don't live closer to Florida (although GA is pretty darn close) -- I'm one of the only conservative Mom's I know. It's just too weird.

21 posted on 05/08/2007 9:53:01 AM PDT by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Un-dead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: RepoGirl

My parents live in Naples half of the year, so I do get to FL from time to time, but that’s pretty out of the way unless you’re around Ft. Myers or Miami...

I need to post an updated photo of Stella, she’s getting so big already! Oh my aching back.... ;)

Good luck working on #2! I can’t decide whether to go ahead with that myself (in a few months) or wait a few years first.


22 posted on 05/08/2007 10:00:34 AM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (If this city were any 'bluer', it'd be spelled 'bleu'.)
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To: qam1
“Lindberg said he is one of millions of dads who grew up in the 1970s following Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols and Joey Ramone of the Ramones, adopting punk rock’s rebellious attitude toward the establishment and distinctive clothing.”

Ya the big bad establishment are the ones who sold you that guitar and amp, sold you your clothes and are offering a record deal so that you can sell your soul to rock & roll... and make a lot of money that you won’t be giving a way to the needy in some third world country as much as you cry “f*ck capitalism!” Ya writing rock songs in some mansion on the coast of California and feeling the pain for the world’s poor... and that you can’t get a proper butler that has been to butle school. Ah, woe is me...

Millionaire punk rockers like Green Day... now there's a happy, cash-cow contradiction. But they so desperately want to be thought of as dangerous! They will give you money if you tell them, "Look! You're Johnny Dangerous! George W Bush knows you and fears you!" Such flattery!

And that is one of rock's selling points, why you got to love punk rock music... its so wonderfully moronic.

23 posted on 05/08/2007 10:00:43 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: RepoGirl

Kix? Dokken? They rock, right?

Okay, I can’t carry on. Nuclear Assault, Fear Factory, Suicidal Tendancies; you know, the greats!


24 posted on 05/08/2007 10:22:40 AM PDT by T.Smith
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To: windcliff

ping


25 posted on 05/08/2007 10:28:05 AM PDT by stylecouncilor (I'm a loner Dottie; a rebel.)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

Regarding your tagline, you should get out of the city and into the ‘burbs. I live in Dacula and it’s all red here!


26 posted on 05/08/2007 10:30:07 AM PDT by T.Smith
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To: qam1

I was part of the SoCal punk scene, in the day. Still have all my real teeth, it’s a miracle.


27 posted on 05/08/2007 12:28:39 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD
I was just glad to hang out at Fenders Ballroom before they closed it, saw Black Flag,Rigor Mortis, 7 Seconds, ahh the good ole days, always wanted to see the Circle Jerks never did.:*(
28 posted on 05/08/2007 12:39:19 PM PDT by cmsgop ( "cmsgop" a Mark Goodson / Bill Todman Production)
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To: cmsgop

One I never managed to see live was Angry Samoans.
“I can’t see too well, what’s it all about.”
“I dunno man, did you poke your eyes out?”
“That right, I did it today. Get hip to the lights out way”
“LIGHTS OUT! POKE, POKE, POKE your eyes out.”

LOL .... If I’d gone into the pit on that one, I probably would be missing a few teeth .... :)


29 posted on 05/08/2007 1:05:15 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: T.Smith

Dacula? My m-i-l works at the middle school there....need I say more? ;) But seriously, we’re putting our house up for sale soon and aiming for Covington, it’s a super-cute lil’ historic town, and not too far for my husband to commute from. Don’t know about the political climate, but after Boston and Atlanta, we can handle anything!


30 posted on 05/08/2007 1:40:28 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (If this city were any 'bluer', it'd be spelled 'bleu'.)
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To: GOP_1900AD

I never knew where that song came from! I have a copy of The Mighty Mighty Bosstones doing that song, as well as a band called Dead Orchestra. I feel complete now.


31 posted on 05/08/2007 2:32:32 PM PDT by T.Smith
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To: T.Smith

Ooohhhhhmmmmmm! LOL!


32 posted on 05/08/2007 2:43:00 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: T.Smith

I beleive you are the only other person I ever heard mention Kix. I had my their cassette stolen out of my car a few years back. I miss them... Rock On!!


33 posted on 05/08/2007 3:12:32 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: To Hell With Poverty
We're in Longwood -- so practically, Orlando/House of Mouse. Naples is absolutely GORGEOUS!

I totally understand about #2 -- I think I might have waited too long, since my daughter will be 5 (at least) when a second one comes along (and I'll be 40 or more.)

I marvel at my friends who have 14 to 18 months between kids. I just couldn't deal with a second pregnancy so quickly after the first one.

34 posted on 05/08/2007 3:23:29 PM PDT by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Un-dead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: T.Smith
Kix and Dokken do indeed rock! Suicidal T is a classic. ;-D
35 posted on 05/08/2007 3:25:19 PM PDT by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Un-dead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: qam1
20 years ago, I was metal embodied - long hair, leather, piercings, "f**k your authority" attitude, and lots of dirty women. A whiskey-swillin', head-bangin', fist-pounding, tornado of testosterone and Slayer, shakin' my a$$ at the metal clubs for the big-haired chicks who wore too much makeup and tiger-print miniskirts.

Now, I'm an Army Dad, working 9-to-5, sporting the high-and-tight cut, wearing a button up shirt while I'm rockin' my Dockers, and enjoying vodka martinis.

Still, when I'm at home, the Old Devil still comes out, and my woman LOVES it.

36 posted on 05/08/2007 4:38:22 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: dfwgator
I’ll take aging punkers over aging hippies any day of the week.

Damn straight.

But the only hippies I know are in their 20's. Nice people, if a little skewed.

37 posted on 05/08/2007 4:40:51 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: Thrownatbirth
Pennywise was OK, but I’m a Bad Religion zealot.

I'm a Social Distortion guy, myself. My niece LOVES Social D, too.

Just goes to show that most of today's pop music is utter dreck. I DO like Shakira, Kelly Clarkson, and Pink, though. (Mostly because I think they're hot as hell LOL)

38 posted on 05/08/2007 4:44:37 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: RepoGirl
Punk moms rule... well, at least I do! ;-)

I'm sure my boys would agree with you on that one! Punk stepmom, that is. Or de facto punk stepmom, anyway.

39 posted on 05/08/2007 4:50:17 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: T.Smith
They don’t rule nearly as hard as headbanger dads!!

Headbanger Dad here! REPRESENT!

I remember my younger son, banging his little toddler head and making the Sign of the Horns to the tune of Slayer's "Raining Blood".

40 posted on 05/08/2007 4:53:02 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: RepoGirl
Okay, before I cede to that comment, I’m going to need a list of bands that qualify as headbangin’ music. For instance: Kiss, Metallica, JP, Maiden and Danzig — acceptable. Poison, Winger, Cinderella...not. :-D

Might I interject something here?

How about Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth, Judas Priest, et al?

My older boy down in Ft Hood, TX, recently told me that Iron Maiden's "Powerslave" is one of the best albums ever made.

I didn't raise my boys on poseur music. Warms my metal heart, it does.

41 posted on 05/08/2007 4:57:02 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: trillabodilla
Not all of us- By the Grace of God, I am 38 and have been married for 19 years and at the same job for 15 years.

Sounds like my buddy, Rick. Married 20 years, just retired from the National Guard.

42 posted on 05/08/2007 4:58:15 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: Starter
Sigh. Beacuse of this article, I’m going to have “Punk Rock Girl” stuck in my head for the rest of the day.

Consider yourself lucky. The Dead Milkmen song that's been playing in my head for tha last few weeks is "Tacoland". LOL

43 posted on 05/08/2007 4:59:44 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: T.Smith
Okay, I can’t carry on. Nuclear Assault, Fear Factory, Suicidal Tendancies; you know, the greats!

All I wanted was a Pepsi! Just one Pepsi! And she wouldn't give to me!

My MOM knows that song. She also knows "Necrophobic" by Slayer.

(I put my parents through so much hell...)

44 posted on 05/08/2007 5:02:42 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: GOP_1900AD
One I never managed to see live was Angry Samoans.

Whoa. Angry Samoans. I don't think you can even find their stuff anymore.

45 posted on 05/08/2007 5:04:12 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: ▀udda▀udd
I beleive you are the only other person I ever heard mention Kix. I had my their cassette stolen out of my car a few years back. I miss them... Rock On!!

I remember Kix!

Come on start a fire
In my electric chair
Baby cross my wires
Light up my hair
Overload my circuits
Let me feel the juice
Make me an offer
That I can't refuse

BLOW MY FUSE!
(Hey hey)
You got nothing to lose
BLOW MY FUSE!
I need a good shot
I can't give it to you
On electric bluuuuuues!
BLOW MY FUSE!

46 posted on 05/08/2007 5:17:03 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: FierceDraka

Can’t control the paranoia! Scared to die!


47 posted on 05/08/2007 5:38:34 PM PDT by T.Smith
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To: T.Smith
Can’t control the paranoia! Scared to die!

And of course, in my mind that line is followed by,

"Awaiting the hour, destined to die! Here on the table of Hell! A figure in white unknown by man! Approaching the altar of death!"

Check this out: Death metal turned into lounge music. (link pops in a new window)

48 posted on 05/08/2007 5:53:32 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Everybody loves me, baby. What's the matter with you?" - Don McClean)
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To: FierceDraka
I'm a Social Distortion guy myself.

"A broken nose and a broken heart,
An empty bottle of gin..."

An image for the ages.
49 posted on 05/08/2007 7:07:32 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: FierceDraka
All I wanted was a Pepsi! Just one Pepsi! And she wouldn't give to me! My MOM knows that song.

LOL, mine too! Oh how we enrich their lives.... :-P

Actually, yesterday she told me how hilarious she thought "Moving to Florida" by the Butthole Surfers was (she's 62 and lives in Florida). I snuck it onto a cd I made for her last time she visited. There always has to be one funny song I put on there..."Bumblebee" by Ween is another one...heeeeee! Well she's always been pretty hip 'n happenin'.

50 posted on 05/08/2007 7:18:47 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (If this city were any 'bluer', it'd be spelled 'bleu'.)
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