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Second JFK assassin 'likely'
Herald Sun ^ | 18 May 2007

Posted on 05/18/2007 3:02:33 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher

A NEW analysis of remaining bullet fragments from the 1963 assassination of US president John F Kennedy suggests a second shooter may have been involved.

The findings suggest the prevailing theory that a sole gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald, killed Kennedy is wrong, according to a research team that published its findings yesterday.

The researchers "show that evidence used to rule out a second assassin is fundamentally flawed," wrote William Tobin, the main author of the report, published in the latest issue of the Annals of Applied Statistics.

Mr Tobin, a former FBI agent and forensic scientist, teamed with bullet lead analysis expert Cliff Spiegelman of Texas A & M University to re-examine the five bullet fragments recovered after Kennedy's assassination, using new scientific advances.

The findings countered testimony to the House Select Committee on Assassinations hearing in 1978 in which Dr Vincent Guinn said the bullet fragments recovered signalled that two bullets of an unusual kind of ammunition were used.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: conspiracykooks; dallas; jfk; kennedyassassination; kooks; kooksnevergiveup; secondassassin; tinfoil
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Bush did it!!!!
1 posted on 05/18/2007 3:02:36 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher
I think it was Captain Kangaroo. Just look at him, so crazy and assassin like.


2 posted on 05/18/2007 3:06:49 AM PDT by Jaysun (I got a new lawnmower and she got a new dishwasher. Neither of them speak English.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Yes, the Senate will open hearings on where Gonsalez, Bush and Cheney were that day. Oh, and Iraq was based on a lie, blah blah blah.

Life is starting to resemble a Thomas Pynchon novel.

3 posted on 05/18/2007 3:07:59 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Aussie Dasher
For those of us FReepers alive when it happened ... I never really believed it then, and my PARENTS never bought the story for sure.

The most telling evidence to me has always been the simplest. Take the rifle Oswald used, and try to reproduce the shots in the time frame, on target, employing the skills of a trained sharpshooter. I remember (at least I think I do) black and white film of a guy trying to fire a shot, cycle the bolt action, aim and fire again (lather rinse repeat) and he could not do it in the same time frame/ accuracy as Oswald who was not a trained shooter.

tin foil ...

4 posted on 05/18/2007 3:08:14 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Jaysun
I think it was Captain Kangaroo. Just look at him, so crazy and assassin like.

First LOL of the day!

That was a moose in the grassy knoll...and why are that guy's jeans GREEN????

5 posted on 05/18/2007 3:08:50 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Aussie Dasher

arlen spector

rino

traitor to his country

warren commission chief architect of the magic bullet theory

it is time for a new gop


6 posted on 05/18/2007 3:09:25 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (my axis of evil includes democrats and liberal media)
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To: Blueflag
I assmue you're kidding.

For every one of these pieces of evidence "proving" Oswald couldn't have done it alone, I've seen ten showing he could.

The JFK assassination conspiracy thing is like an article of religious faith--forget the proof, some people "just know" it was a conspiracy.

7 posted on 05/18/2007 3:10:30 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Enduring Freedom

rino warren commission members arlen specter and gerald ford were certainly rewarded for being major cover up artists


8 posted on 05/18/2007 3:13:59 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (my axis of evil includes democrats and liberal media)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I DID IT!!!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! my birthday, 3/10/1969

Yeah ok, I wasn't born yet. Its my metanarrative so facts be damned!!! I DID ITS, I TELLS YA!!!! Dan Rather will have the exclusive.
9 posted on 05/18/2007 3:15:32 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: Darkwolf377
I have been to Dallas in March 2006. People there believe there was 6 shooters, 2 on the Grassy Knoll (left), 2 in the Texas Depository Building (red building on the left on the left), one in the Dallas Tex building (in the dark red building in the center) and one on the roof of a white building (center). Evidences like photographs and prints of bulletts on the ground undertake this theory.
10 posted on 05/18/2007 3:16:40 AM PDT by drzz
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To: Blueflag

I vaguely remember reading something a few decades ago that said that the total weight of all the fragments plus the “pristene bullet” added up to quite a bit more than the total weight of two unfired bullets.

Don’t mean nothin’ though. We’re never going to find out exactly what happened. The ruling class will see to that.


12 posted on 05/18/2007 3:16:57 AM PDT by Roccus (Stolen tag.............The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism.)
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To: Darkwolf377

No, not kidding. I do remember the day/event of his death. I do recall the video (film) of a guy demonstrating how the rifle worked and trying to put rounds on a target in the same time frame, same range. The ‘sharpshooter’ couldn’t do it. As I recall, the story was more about amazement of how Oswald could have managed to do it as an untrained shooter, not so much as a conspiracy thing. Honestly I don’t even remember now if the rifle had iron sights (I think it did) or a scope. I just remember the perception of the moment — that maybe it wasn’t him with that rifle. I don’t really participate in the whole who shot Kennedy thing. I also have probably more doubts than beliefs that Oswald was a lone nut who got lucky. But I can move on ;-)


13 posted on 05/18/2007 3:17:42 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Darkwolf377
"some people "just know" it was a conspiracy."

In that vein I read an opinion piece recently and opined that conspiracy theories exist because as humans we don't like the idea that a single pathetic loser like Oswald or Sirhan can have such a impact.

I think that's a good point.

14 posted on 05/18/2007 3:22:12 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Just my opinion, no relationship to reality is expressed or implied.)
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To: Jaysun
Might have been Icky Twerp. He was in Dallas at the time.

15 posted on 05/18/2007 3:23:56 AM PDT by FreedomForce
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To: Darkwolf377
That was a moose in the grassy knoll...and why are that guy's jeans GREEN????

Amen Brother! Did anyone even bother to talk to this man, find out what he was doing on 22 November 1963? I think not!
16 posted on 05/18/2007 3:24:55 AM PDT by Jaysun (It's like people who hate corn bread and hate anchovies, but love cornchovie bread.)
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To: All

Oh, by the way, I’m a huge pro-american, but I have to admit JFK was killed by the US government. All evidences point to this conclusion.

After the Missile Crisis, a lot of people believed JFK would lead the US into a nuclear war in position of weakness, because he cut fundings for the troops and called for withdrawal (libs already).

The establishment thought this man was dangerous. So they plotted to kill him.

Evidences are clear, even this video showing JFK bodyguards abandoning the President as they approached Dealey Plaza. The only bodyguard who try to stay near the limo was Jacqueline’s, the same who will later jump on the car to protect the President and First Lady. Jacqueline Kennedy’s bodyguard was not supposed to be in Dallas on Nov 22, 1963.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFpPjjKdUds


17 posted on 05/18/2007 3:25:08 AM PDT by drzz
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To: Proud_texan

the more you look into the evidence, the more obvious the cover-up

it is not unlike the 9/11 commission findings

whitewash and bullshite with a political agenda

and our rino boy specter was right there making his future career


19 posted on 05/18/2007 3:27:01 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (my axis of evil includes democrats and liberal media)
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To: Roccus

Didn’t the House committee conclude there was more than one shooter?


20 posted on 05/18/2007 3:29:53 AM PDT by don-o (We are "THEY")
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To: Proud_texan
Have you ever been to Dealey Plaza ? That's impossible Kennedy was shot by a lonely guy. The Dealey Plaza was not even shown on the map in the Dallas Morning News of 11/22, in order to have less people at the place, at the time. On Zapruder film, Kennedy has his right temple destroyed with a large part of the head. In the autopsy photographs, his left temple has nothing.
21 posted on 05/18/2007 3:30:26 AM PDT by drzz
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To: Jaysun
Amen Brother! Did anyone even bother to talk to this man, find out what he was doing on 22 November 1963? I think not!

He and his gang were seen speeding away from the scene in a teeny-tiny trolley, and reported to some midget king of a foreign power.

Yeah, you're laughin now, but it's all here on my Magic Drawing Board...

And if you listen to this line in his theme song backwards...

Good morning, Captain, it's going to be a perfect day!

...it says:

Down in front! We can't see the king of the Oliver Stone Land pass! Oookah chookah! What's that stain on her pink suit? Long live Richard E.!

Though of course some have disputed this and claim all it really says is "Drink Diet Fanta Orange". But they're communists!

22 posted on 05/18/2007 3:30:36 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Here we go again.


23 posted on 05/18/2007 3:30:46 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you again Jimmy Carter.)
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To: don-o

Yes they did. So officially JFK murder is a conspiracy.


24 posted on 05/18/2007 3:31:08 AM PDT by drzz
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To: Blueflag
"Oswald could have managed to do it as an untrained shooter"

While he wasn't an outstanding marksman in the service he was a Marine and there's no Marine that's an untrained shooter.

I would also observe that having seen the setting in person I've never seen a video or a photograph that accurately represents how close in everything is. As an average marksman my first thought was "with a round chambered I could do that". True I've never fired a Mannlicher-Carcano but I just don't see it being as hard as some have portrayed it.

25 posted on 05/18/2007 3:31:13 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Just my opinion, no relationship to reality is expressed or implied.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
The findings "mean that the bullet fragments from the assassination that match could have come from three or more separate bullets."

Or they could NOT have come from three or more separate bullets. Note carefully that these researchers are NOT claiming that their analysis demonstrates that the bullet fragments did in fact come from three or more separate bullets.

If that is the case, "then a second assassin is likely, as an additional bullet would not be attributable to the main suspect, Mr Oswald," the report said.

Note the "if that is the case" language - they are saying that IF something is true which their study does NOT in fact actually claim to demonstrate is true (i.e., that the fragments must have come from three or more separate bullets), then two shooters are likely. The "if that is the case" language makes this statement meaningless, because the researchers have not demonstrated that "it is the case."

"We believe there is no scientific basis from the fragment matching performed by Dr Guinn to conclude that only two bullets were the sources of the assassination fragments."

Although it is possible that only two bullets were the source; they are saying merely that this one particular test made did not in and of itself prove that to be the case.

Heavy spin in this article.

26 posted on 05/18/2007 3:32:32 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: drzz
I'm really convinced that aliens did it and I have the pictures to prove it.

I'd post them but I have to go take a shower.

27 posted on 05/18/2007 3:32:35 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Just my opinion, no relationship to reality is expressed or implied.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Isn’t the 50 year sealed evidence and testimony gag order ready to expire in 6 years?


28 posted on 05/18/2007 3:33:18 AM PDT by moonman
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To: drzz; Blueflag
I prefer the Onion theory (paraphrase):

JFK killed by Oswald, Johnson, Communists, CIA, KGB, Congress, Telephone Company and Mob--President Dies in Hail of 35 Bullets from 17 Directions

29 posted on 05/18/2007 3:33:32 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: FreedomForce
Might have been Icky Twerp. He was in Dallas at the time.

You may be right. He and his monkey faced friends (Ajax and whatever) might have had a hand in this.
30 posted on 05/18/2007 3:33:51 AM PDT by Jaysun (It's like people who hate corn bread and hate anchovies, but love cornchovie bread.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The first on-site reports said the shooting sounded like machine gun fire.

Check it out — I remember it vividly.


31 posted on 05/18/2007 3:34:44 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Proud_texan
Agreed. People can't believe that the entire US election process was demolished by one nutcase.

Speaking of Al Gore...

32 posted on 05/18/2007 3:34:45 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Enduring Freedom
Not really a conspiracy type, but the picture of JFK at the moment of the fatal impact just does not jive with my experiences with hunting or firearms.

Oswald was a trained shooter, he was Marine and they ALL can shoot and well. Yet then I have to believe that in an incredibly short time (7 seconds) Oswald missed his 1st two shots, but scored on the last very hurried one.

It does smell.

33 posted on 05/18/2007 3:36:16 AM PDT by M.K. Borders (Be Brave, Be Free. Burn the Card!)
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To: Shooter 2.5; The KG9 Kid

ping


34 posted on 05/18/2007 3:39:37 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Darkwolf377

Hey the day you see Secret Service body guards leaving their cover of the President minutes before he gets killed, please be wise and conclude they let him being killed.

Or you have no idea about bodyguards.

If you study the period, you wil see that JFK led the US into a position of weakness that was alarming, in Cuba (Missile crisis, pigs bay fiasco) and Vietnam (JFK wanted to leave in the autumn of 1963).

The US establishment wanted to eliminate a dangerous guy. They did it.

I’m not a conspiracy lover, I deeply respect the American government, but after having been to Dallas and visiting Dealey Plaza, you cannot say the official version is true...

And I remind you : the House Select Committe on Assassination said OFFICIALLY that JFK was likely killed by a conspiracy.


35 posted on 05/18/2007 3:41:08 AM PDT by drzz
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To: moonman
Isn’t the 50 year sealed evidence and testimony gag order ready to expire in 6 years?

That would be 2013. Unfortunately, the Mayan calendar shows the world ending in 2012, so I guess we'll never find out.

36 posted on 05/18/2007 3:41:17 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Vaclav Klaus: "A whip of political correctness strangles their voice")
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To: don-o
I believe so. But then, IIRC, they said that it was soooooo long ago, that they’d never be able to figure it all out. IOW, don’t mean nothin’. Drive on.
37 posted on 05/18/2007 3:41:18 AM PDT by Roccus (Stolen tag.............The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism.)
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To: drzz
In the autopsy photographs, his left temple has nothing.

Then you're not looking at your photograph.
38 posted on 05/18/2007 3:42:24 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Darkwolf377
Good morning, Captain, it's going to be a perfect day!

...it says:

Down in front! We can't see the king of the Oliver Stone Land pass! Oookah chookah! What's that stain on her pink suit? Long live Richard E.!

Though of course some have disputed this and claim all it really says is "Drink Diet Fanta Orange". But they're communists!




I just played the theme song backwards on my record player. Call me crazy, but here's what I heard:

Fold a slice of cheese into an airplane.
You ass!
We'll climb a tree and eat a sausage...
It'll built character, and teach us about sausages.
A yodeling catfish.
Vomiting, you ass!


Makes no sense. But then again, that's the way of crazy killer kangaroos.
39 posted on 05/18/2007 3:44:13 AM PDT by Jaysun (It's like people who hate corn bread and hate anchovies, but love cornchovie bread.)
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To: moonman

ICBW but I thought it was to be 75 yrs.


40 posted on 05/18/2007 3:44:48 AM PDT by Roccus (Stolen tag.............The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism.)
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To: All
The Texas Book Depository in the only building that stands in the plaza. On its left is the freeway. On its right, the beginning of downtown Dallas. The US security guards want us to believe they didn't check the ONLY building that looks suspect in the area. No security service would miss it. Except those which are ordered to.
41 posted on 05/18/2007 3:45:34 AM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz

I didn’t know Oliver Stone posted here. Hey Oliver, Alexander sucked!


42 posted on 05/18/2007 3:46:06 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Maybe it was two groups of people who were unaware of each other. Some communist nut working from the book depository and and a group of organized crime members working from the train yards. That’s why it might not make any sense.


43 posted on 05/18/2007 3:47:42 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Forty on the highway, forty in the driveway.)
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To: Jaysun
I just played the theme song backwards on my record player. Call me crazy, but here's what I heard:

Someone just called my phone and asked me if I knew your street address.

I'm not trying to be alarmist, but the crazy television suggests you dickybird the cracker weasels.

44 posted on 05/18/2007 3:48:04 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: M.K. Borders
...Yet then I have to believe that in an incredibly short time (7 seconds) Oswald missed his 1st two shots, but scored on the last very hurried one. It does smell.

The last one was the MAGIC bullet!

45 posted on 05/18/2007 3:50:34 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: Proud_texan

The Mannlicher-Carcano was such a fine weapon that, at the time, it could be purchased in a Burlington, VT Woolworth’s for under $20.


46 posted on 05/18/2007 3:52:24 AM PDT by Roccus (Stolen tag.............The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism.)
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To: Boston Blackie

arlen specter worked it all out!

the magic bullet architect

rino extraordinaire

arlen specter

chief rino weasel


47 posted on 05/18/2007 3:53:07 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (my axis of evil includes democrats and liberal media)
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To: Jaysun

48 posted on 05/18/2007 3:56:33 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: aruanan
Hey look the frame of the video. 1/3 of the right part of the face is butchered by the final bullet. CHECK OUT IN THE MOVIE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cri43ttTo When JFK was brought to Parkland hospital, he had no right eyes anymore, and the hole in his head went from the neck to forehead, including the cheek. The autopsy photograph has no match with the actual frames of the Zapruder's film. The autopsy photographs have actually no match BETWEEN THEM : For example : a close view of JFK's head And a close view of JFK head : Supposedly same head. Different wounds.
49 posted on 05/18/2007 3:58:26 AM PDT by drzz
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To: Darkwolf377
Someone just called my phone and asked me if I knew your street address.

I'm not trying to be alarmist, but the crazy television suggests you dickybird the cracker weasels.


See, my wife said that I was going overboard when I bought the lead-reinforced Brinks truck and moved our family into a heavily fortified bunker, sixty floors below ground level, and stocked with 17 years of food and water. I'm going into our titanium vault (bedroom) to wake her up and see is she still thinks I'm "paranoid".
50 posted on 05/18/2007 4:00:36 AM PDT by Jaysun (It's like people who hate corn bread and hate anchovies, but love cornchovie bread.)
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