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'Dangerous Book for Boys' Soars to Dizzying Heights
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 18, 2007 | JEFFREY A. TRACHTENBERG

Posted on 05/19/2007 7:17:01 AM PDT by fgoodwin

First, there was the question of the title: "The Dangerous Book for Boys." HarperCollins Publishers' Chief Executive Jane Friedman just didn't understand what it meant. Sure, the book had been a hit in England and Australia, but that didn't mean it would work in the U.S.

But the sales staff urged her to stick with it, and in just two weeks, "Dangerous" has become the breakout hit of the season. The News Corp. unit initially ordered up 91,000 copies. There are now 405,000 copies in print. One senior HarperCollins executive, extrapolating from overseas sales and population data, projects that "Dangerous," which lists for $24.95, could sell as many as four million in the U.S.

The unapologetic message is that boys need a certain amount of danger and risk in their lives, and that there are certain lessons that need to be passed down from father to son, man to man. The implication is that in contemporary society basic rules of maleness aren't being handed off as they used to be.

The gender-exclusive nature of "Dangerous" bothers some women. In a posting on the livejournal.com Web site, one woman, addressing the book and boys in general, wrote: "Here's a tip, kiddies: maybe the girls want to have the same kind of fun you do, instead of sitting around the house and learning how to be a servant." (Matthew Benjamin, a senior editor at the Collins imprint, which published the book, says, "There hasn't been any organized protest.")

HarperCollins says it doesn't have any immediate plans to publish a girl's version. HarperCollins's Ms. Friedman, who has two sons and two stepsons, explains: "Boys are very different."

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TOPICS: Education; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Society
KEYWORDS: biggles; booksforboys; boyhood; boys; boyscouts; boysownbooks; bsa; childhood; dads; dangerousbook; feminazis; feminism; genx; guys; iggulden; kids; men; scouting; scouts; subversivebooks; thingsthatgoboom; treehouses; wildatheart
Instead of whining that this book is pitched at boys, let the feminists write their own version for girls!

Oh I forgot -- that would actually take some creative effort on their part . . .

1 posted on 05/19/2007 7:17:03 AM PDT by fgoodwin
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To: fgoodwin
Saw a mention of this book on The Colbert Report.

I agree with the author, kids must be allowed to take risks while growing up, so they can judge better, whether risks are worth taking or not, later on in life.

2 posted on 05/19/2007 7:19:45 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: fgoodwin
At first glance, I thought they were talking about something like The Federalist Papers or The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin, the type of individualistic ideas that send Feminazis into an uproar.
3 posted on 05/19/2007 7:20:19 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: fgoodwin

liberal version:
“The Metrosexual Book for Boys”


4 posted on 05/19/2007 7:44:59 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: fgoodwin
Ms. Friedman, who has two sons and two stepsons, explains: "Boys are very different."

Duh.

L

5 posted on 05/19/2007 7:47:15 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing 'moderate' islam to 'extremist' islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
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To: secret garden; Gabz; xsmommy; Robert A. Cook, PE; Scotswife
The Dangerous Book for Boys. Interesting. Dare I say that if the boys today were in Boy Scouts they would already know how to tie knots? LOL, looks like a good book though.
6 posted on 05/19/2007 7:52:12 AM PDT by tioga
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To: fgoodwin; patton
"Boys are very different."

...unless you're a girl with two very big brothers. you
learn real quick to be a "toughy girl", like our sweetie. ;)


this book does sound great, just the same.
7 posted on 05/19/2007 8:32:56 AM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: fgoodwin

read later


8 posted on 05/19/2007 8:33:30 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: SandRat

If you think they’d be interested, would you mind pinging your Scout list re: this article?

Thanx


9 posted on 05/19/2007 9:08:27 AM PDT by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Star Scout!)
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To: leda

OK, I give up, what does your tagline mean?


10 posted on 05/19/2007 9:13:03 AM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: fgoodwin

I’ll have to get the bookstore and check it out before hitting the Scout Ping list on it. Sorry just being cautious.


11 posted on 05/19/2007 9:28:10 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: fgoodwin
I remember doing things as a boy that would probably not be allowed to happen today lest the parents be dragged into court on child neglect charges.

Just one example: I remember crossing this railroad bridge on a regular basis. So long as a train wasn't coming, you were okay but there was no room whatsoever to stand aside when a train came over it. Well one morning I wasn't too careful and got caught in the middle of the bridge as an ear-splitting train whistle went off behind me. I literally had to hang off the railing of the bridge, dangling about 80 feet over the river, as the train whizzed by just a few inches from me.

I learned to always be careful of train tracks from that point on. But would a boy be able to cross that bridge today without the police being called (by the train engineer) and having the kid and parents dragged into court?

As a kid, we went swimming unsupervised where if we got into trouble, we were on our own. We went deep into the woods, explored caves, abandoned houses and other fun stuff. We made a tree house high up in the trees and once, one of the boys slipped coming down and broke his leg. But there were no lawsuits, no recriminating parents, no paperwork to fill out. The rest of us were back up in the treehouse that afternoon lamenting our friends sorry fate (and then laughing about it).

We used to have fist-fights in the schoolyard. A good way to settle childhood disputes or settle the score with some bully. But that would never happen today in our "zero-tolerance" environment for violence. One of my own kids was tormented by bullies one year and I told him to fight back and I gave the principal at the school a heads up. But the principal calls me and tells me that fighting back is not the solution and that if my boy was to fight the bullies on school property, he would have to file a report with the police about our conversation and consider my son the aggressor!

Another situation a few years ago. I dropped my son off at Little League practice, did a few errands and came back. I got a tongue-lashing from one of the other parents for leaving my child at practice alone. My kid was 12 years old at the time! Apparently I was supposed to bring a lawn chair and watch every single minute of every single practice just like the other over-protective moms and dads.

What a pussy-whipped society we live in today.

12 posted on 05/19/2007 9:34:44 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 74 days away from outliving Curt Hennig (whoever he is))
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To: tioga
I think this is probably an interesting read. Here are the chapters:

The Greatest Paper Aiplane in the World
The Seven Wonders of the Ancient World
The Five Knots Every Boy Should Know
Stickball
Slingshots
Fossils
Building a Treehouse
Making a Bow and Arrow
Fishing (revised with US Fish)
Timers and Tripwires
Baseball's "Most Valuable Players"
Famous Battles-Including Lexington and Concord, The Alamo, and Gettysburg
Spies-Codes and Ciphers
Making a Go-Cart
Navajo Code Talkers' Dictionary
Girls
Cloud Formations
The States of the U.S.
Mountains of the U.S.
Navigation
The Declaration of Independence
Skimming Stones
Making a Periscope
The Ten Commandments
Common US Trees
Timeline of American History

I would add more sports than baseball. Only about 20% of the boys I know play or care about it.
13 posted on 05/19/2007 10:52:29 AM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: fgoodwin
The gender-exclusive nature of "Dangerous" bothers some women.

Yes, those women are known as Lesbians.

14 posted on 05/19/2007 10:55:20 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Withhold Taxes - Starve a Liberal)
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To: eyespysomething

ping to post


15 posted on 05/19/2007 10:58:01 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: fgoodwin

Caught the author on The Colbert Report. Looked through the book at the bookstore a few days later, and it actually looks like a really good book.

We are going to get it, as we have 3 boys, and a grandpa who will have them a lot during the summer. He will already know this stuff, but it will be good for them to be able to read through it and ask him to help them (such as with the knots)


16 posted on 05/19/2007 11:06:27 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: null and void; patton

it’s about a valentine’s day card patton made for me
just before our 19th anniversary. he tucked in that
picture of the 5,000 yr old corpses in an embrace.
it’s very special to me. :)

...then he stole my tagline... ;)


17 posted on 05/19/2007 11:32:58 AM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: leda

No I didn’t - I “reaffirmed our relationship” by sharing your tagline, just like you share my Mustang. ;)


18 posted on 05/19/2007 11:38:57 AM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: patton

yeah, we share my car...
i let you drive it once in a while ;)


19 posted on 05/19/2007 11:41:52 AM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: leda; patton; null and void

You’re gonna need showers after about 4999 years.


20 posted on 05/19/2007 11:46:39 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008 (or Fred Thompson if he ever makes up his mind))
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To: Larry Lucido; leda

Yes, but we will shower together.

LOL


21 posted on 05/19/2007 11:51:55 AM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: leda
Romantic, isn't it?


22 posted on 05/19/2007 11:56:10 AM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: JohnLongIsland
liberal version: “The Metrosexual Book for Boys”

It's only a matter of time but they won't use a title like that. The original will be Bowdlerized, neutered and feminized. I consider it a miracle that such a politically incorrect book has actually been published in America today. Enjoy it while you can!

23 posted on 05/19/2007 11:58:30 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: fgoodwin

I want this book. I have three boys!


24 posted on 05/19/2007 11:59:14 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: fgoodwin
"Here's a tip, kiddies: maybe the girls want to have the same kind of fun you do, instead of sitting around the house and learning how to be a servant."

Mmmmm....nope. They pretty much prefer the servant role, when allowed to fulfill it without negative pressure from maladjusted feminist role models. ;)

25 posted on 05/19/2007 12:01:39 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: leda

Awwwwwww...


26 posted on 05/19/2007 12:03:38 PM PDT by null and void (Who turned the clock? (Moved on or back) and what dark chill is gathering still before the storm?)
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To: patton

;)


27 posted on 05/19/2007 12:04:16 PM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: null and void

see patton’s post #22 for the pic :)


28 posted on 05/19/2007 12:05:08 PM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: patton

yep, it is :D


29 posted on 05/19/2007 12:05:37 PM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: secret garden
Hmmm, that's pretty mild stuff.

They left out chapters on making carbide cannons, information on fishing with cherry bombs, shooting, building makeshift submarines and diver's helmets, making smoke bombs with black powder, 10 fun things to do with dynamite caps, beginning base-jumping with homemade parachutes, homemade ski and bicycle jumps, 100 interesting things to do with chemistry sets, etc.

Those, and many more, were routine diversions when I was growing up. Some of us survived and were the better for all the experiences. Modern boys are very underprivileged.

30 posted on 05/19/2007 12:08:09 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx

Sounds like my childhood.

Got the scars to prove it. Hah!


31 posted on 05/19/2007 1:31:28 PM PDT by LetGoNow
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To: secret garden
I would add more sports than baseball. Only about 20% of the boys I know play or care about it.

Still that's more than in England, where the book was originally published.

32 posted on 05/19/2007 3:25:18 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (He was a great patriot, a humanitarian, a loyal friend - provided, of course, that he really is dead)
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To: leda

Gorsh, that’s sweet.


33 posted on 05/19/2007 3:34:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: SandRat

No problem — thanx


34 posted on 05/19/2007 3:41:07 PM PDT by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Star Scout!)
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To: Bernard Marx

Sounds like volume II in the making — go for it!


35 posted on 05/19/2007 3:43:48 PM PDT by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Star Scout!)
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To: Vigilanteman
The Federalist Papers

In 2007 America this would be a "dangerous" book for either boys or girls to get too serious about.

36 posted on 05/19/2007 3:52:58 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: fgoodwin

Oh no.

Testosterone.

Can’t have that.


37 posted on 05/19/2007 3:54:33 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: MHGinTN

yeah, he’s a keeper :D


38 posted on 05/19/2007 5:05:06 PM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: Oztrich Boy

They state this is the American version. Their version is probably about soccer.


39 posted on 05/19/2007 5:13:06 PM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: secret garden

what, no hockey?


40 posted on 05/19/2007 5:48:14 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

That’s what I’m saying!


41 posted on 05/19/2007 6:12:33 PM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: fgoodwin
I'm going to look for this book today.
I have two teenage sons
and praise God they are different!!!!
We warn them that society will try to
tell them they should
be weak and not stand for anything

God
Family
Country

is our motto
42 posted on 05/20/2007 5:52:17 AM PDT by StephenTX (The Sacred Order of the Perpetually Offended)
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To: tioga

I’ll have to pick that one up.

I don’t know why people always have to find fault with someone else’s book when they don’t have to read it.

Afterall...there’s been more books,shows, and movies featuring girls and women facing adventure and danger too.
Shows like Alias were very popular with the girlies.

In the end you’ve got both males and females who are bored with the Ithaca approach to life.


43 posted on 05/20/2007 8:29:27 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: SamAdams76

You might enjoy Kim du Toit’s essay - http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/essays/41/


44 posted on 05/22/2007 11:31:50 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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To: bt_dooftlook

That was excellent! Good post.


45 posted on 05/24/2007 3:24:46 AM PDT by neb52
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