Skip to comments.Boy, 12, with toy gun shot, killed by police
Posted on 06/24/2007 9:03:49 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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No, you shouldn't add that. A 12-year-old kid playing in the apartment complex parking lot where he is spending the night with his cousin can't be expected to react appropriately when he is suddenly confronted with two yelling cops - at least one of whom is pointing a gun at him.
I'm sorry, but this point you keep bringing up that the cop was in no real danger is moot. He had no way of knowing that. That is what YOU don't seem to get. And asking cops to always assume a gun is fake till proven otherwise is just the most unreasonable thing I've heard in years.
Obviously that apartment complex was near enough to the convenience store that it made for a good stake-out. Not to mention there is probably a very good reason they were at THAT complex. I hate this Monday morning quarterback stuff. You wave something that looks like a gun around a cop and ignore their calls to stop, you should definitely expect to be shot at.
I didn't. In this situation the cop should have. They were not there to investigate two suspicious looking people in the parking lot. They were not there because someone called them and said there were kids with a gun. They inserted themselves into this situation, and under those circumstances a little restraint would have saved the life of a kid who was doing nothing more than playing with his cousin.
The person I initially posted to asked me if the cop was supposed to get close enough to find out if the gun was fake and get shot. My response, as I've already told you once, was that if the cop had gotten closer he would not have been shot.
Why do you not understand that a person can not be shot by a toy gun? What about that concept is beyond your comprehension? If this cop had gotten closer, had chased down the kid (as cops usually do who aren't being fired at) and tackled the kid, he would not, ever, under any circumstances in this situation, have been shot by that toy gun. It can't happen. Impossible.
Twelve years old is WAY old enough to know that when a police officer yells STOP at you, you STOP.
You're right. The kid deserved to be killed.
Good riddance to him.
I'm sure the cop who shot him agrees with you.
WHAT??? Oh my GOD, now it's all CLEAR TO ME! You see, all this time I was laboring under the misconception that toy guns kill people every day and that is why a cop who sees someone with a toy gun should cap them immediately. Holy COW!! You have totally opened a whole new window on reality for me.
Let's just leave it at that, shall we? You'll be happy that I've gotten tired of trying to explain to you that you are missing the point, and I'll be happy to be done with someone who seems to be deliberately obtuse to the point of being ridiculous.
I've never said cops should always in all situations do anything. I don't make sweeping generalizations like that.
Someone else posted to me:
but what was the cop supposed to do... get close enough to see that it wasnt a real gun and get shot?
Now, go back and read that sentence one more time ... slowly, for effect. I've purposefully bolded the part of that sentence that I was responding to. I'm going to add emphasis, here, too, in an effort to help you understand: because the kid was carrying a toy gun as opposed to a real gun the cop would have never been shot. It cannot happen that anyone is shot with a toy gun.
Nowhere, in this thread or any other, have I suggested that the cop should have known that.
I have said that my opinion is - having not been there - that when police insert themselves into a situation where they were not called upon that they should exercise a little restraint.
I would suspect the cop that shot the kid would agree with me, because I imagine that unlike you he feels some remorse and regret over the killing of this kid. I further suspect that unlike you he is not blaming the kid.
I have not said the cop did something criminally wrong. In fact, I said I don't think based on this story that he should be prosecuted or fired. I have never suggested that in all circumstances police should wait until someone has fired at them before returning fire.
But as someone who shoots guns and takes it very seriously, as someone who has been with police many times - including once when the police I was standing with were shot at - and has seen how they react and talked to them at length about their training, I do believe that this situation called for restraint that the officer didn't show.
My position on this is shared by the deputies I've talked to about it. You may think you're right, but you're not.
I wanna say 1st this isn’t toward DCBryan1,just toward the subject.The fact of playing outside your home isn’t a crime,10:00 A.M. nor 10:00 P.M.The fact a cop shot a 12 year old playing with a toy gun is.I don’t care if he pointed the toy gun at the cop(not saying he did),the fact is it was a toy!My brother is a cop and he says “A cop is not supposed too fire his weapon unless he is fired upon”.Being a cop is very dangerous but so is crab fishing.You know what you’re getting into in being a cop,it’s a power trip for most.This 12 year old boy was playing in front of his cousins apt.instead of running the streets.So why was he shot,not ONCE, but TWICE.It did’nt say where he was shot,but we know it was twice.How can you be able to shoot someone twice without seeing your target.Where did he train at.Sounds like to me profiling.
Welcome to FR, tell your brother he is a dumba$$. I seriously doubt he is a cop, and if he is, I KNOW he didn't say that unless you are in London.
Secondly, you sure don't sound very cop-friendly, hence, I still doubt your brother is a cop.
Third, you know nothing of self defense and legal shoots. You shoot until the suspect quits the threatening action (perp runs from cops points an object threateningly) and drops. If you shoot and hit someone 14 times, that means that he didn't warrant a 15th shot b/c he stopped being a threat to you or your loved ones.
Take your drivel over to DU
ah so running in streets now carries death penalty with no trial needed nice to know if i go jogging at night.