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"Live Free or Die Hard" -- a review (Spoilers)
Viewing | 6/27/07 | ltn72

Posted on 06/27/2007 1:59:47 PM PDT by pabianice

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The latest Die Hard movie is a bit of energetic nonsense that's fun to watch and as substantial as a sand castle. Bruce Willis does his John McClean again ... surviving over two hours of gunshots, broken bones, and high-speed impacts, any one of which would kill a real person. We've seen it before.

The plot -- what there is of it -- involves what hackers call a "fire sale" -- a cyber attack upon the country so complete and devastating that it would throw us back into the 17th century; i.e. 'everything must go.' Computers, transportation, utilities, finance, fire and police -- all toast. Tim Olyphant -- the wonderfully played lawman and hardware store owner from "Deadwood" -- plays the villian with some nice sneers and scenery-chewing. McLean's daughter channels the character of Jack Slater's kick-ass daughter from "Last Action Hero." And the female lead villian is fun to watch in several impossible chop-socky sequences right out of a Hong Kong low-budget flick. Even Tim Russ -- 'Tuvok' from the late "Star Trek: Voyager" -- puts in what must have been just one day's work on the set. It is almost at the film's end that we find out what the bad guys want -- revenge for being treated with lack of respect and money. Duh! They have downloaded the entire U.S. financial database on a laptop (BIG laugh here, unfortunately) and plan to live at ease on some unnamed tropical island after destroying the U.S.' economy. But by the time we learn this, we've pretty much lost interest. Josh Long, very watchable as a hacker with a heart of gold, also does some good work in the film, and is, in fact, its most watchable asset. But all is submerged in impossible action scenes, including a semi being chased through the highway system in DC by an F-35, with spectacular if aerodynamically impossible results. Perhaps one problem is that with each "Die Hard" film, the stunts have gone from merely spectacular-but-possible to just bad scicnce fiction.

Worth seeing? Sure. Like watching 4th of July fireworks. Fun flames and bursts of color. Fits the season pretty well.


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1 posted on 06/27/2007 1:59:48 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Yippie Kay-Yay.......


2 posted on 06/27/2007 2:00:59 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: pabianice

Well I’m there...


3 posted on 06/27/2007 2:01:50 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: pabianice

Thank you so much!
It’s nice to see a review that states what I want in a movie. Nothing deep, just eye candy and some escape for a few hours!


4 posted on 06/27/2007 2:03:21 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: pabianice

Sounds great! :-)


5 posted on 06/27/2007 2:03:38 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: pabianice
This movie looks like it will be painful to watch.

Die Hard was great. II was watchable, if you didn't think too hard about it. I missed III. Likely will be missing IV, as well.

6 posted on 06/27/2007 2:04:07 PM PDT by wbill
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To: pabianice
I liked the first Die Hard, little to no computer generated scenes, lots of believable action. This one however looks like a bunch of bad computer generated scenes.

While I might spend the money to rent the DVD, I refuse to spend 10 bucks at the theater. Now Transformers, thats a whole different ball of wax. I foresee lines around the block, hopefully I can get in during the Sunday matinee.

7 posted on 06/27/2007 2:04:58 PM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: netmilsmom
It’s nice to see a review that states what I want in a movie. Nothing deep, just eye candy and some escape for a few hours!

And no ambiguity: here's the good guys, and here's the bad guys. They're gonna duke it out until the good guys blow the bad guys away in spectacular fashion. What's not to like?

I wonder if any of the hollywood types that produced even understand the reference of the movie's title.
8 posted on 06/27/2007 2:06:31 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Romans 10:9)
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To: Post-Neolithic

I’m a little dubious on Transformers. I really, really hope that it’s going to be a good flick. But I’m not holding my breath...


9 posted on 06/27/2007 2:07:01 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Post-Neolithic
I liked the first Die Hard, little to no computer generated scenes, lots of believable action.

That's one thing I liked about Die Hard 1: the hero actually could get hurt. If you walk barefooted across broken glass your feet will bleed. By the end of the Movie McClean looked like he had been through hell.

10 posted on 06/27/2007 2:09:48 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (A base looking for a party.)
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To: KarlInOhio
"By the end of the Movie McClean looked like he had been through hell."

Heh, and thus the "Yippy Ky ay *****" was born. Had to be one of the better scenes in the picture.

11 posted on 06/27/2007 2:12:29 PM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: JamesP81
What's not to like?

My personal ratings system is generally based around 3 things, in no particular order:

1. Fast Cars

2. Big Explosions

3. Naked Women

Generally the movies that I watch, don't bog you down with a whole lot of details, like plot or character development.

Mrs. WBill dragged me to an "Independent Film Festival". It was like watching paint dry, only less fascinating. I told her that the movies were all going to be about gays, and have subtitles. She said "No No No. This is QUALITY cinema".

The First Movie? Something about a bunch of German Lesbians. It had subtitles.

I stand vindicated.

12 posted on 06/27/2007 2:12:38 PM PDT by wbill
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To: pabianice

As long as Danny Glover isn’t in it...


13 posted on 06/27/2007 2:12:49 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Post-Neolithic

Don’t know if this is true, but I’ve heard and read that LFODH uses very little cgi effects.


14 posted on 06/27/2007 2:14:02 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Post-Neolithic

I’m not convinced Transformers is going to have that big an audience. It wasn’t that popular 20 years ago, and Michael Bay has such a long history of underperforming movies (largely because he’s a terrible director) I don’t think it’s going to make that much.

According to Willis the majority of the effects in DH4 are physical, only one major CG scene. I’m heading out tonight, works been sucking lately and I need to see things blow up.


15 posted on 06/27/2007 2:14:23 PM PDT by discostu (only things a western savage understands are whiskey and rifles and an unarmed man)
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To: pabianice
The latest Die Hard movie is a bit of energetic nonsense that's fun to watch and as substantial as a sand castle.

Okay, that's all I needed to know. What time's the next show??!!

16 posted on 06/27/2007 2:14:34 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: pabianice

Ho hum.... Another shoot ‘em up, blow ‘em movie. Whoopie.


17 posted on 06/27/2007 2:15:30 PM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: wbill

Die Hard II was good because there was a solid story behind it. The movie had already been written before it had been adapted into a Die Hard sequel. The sequence of events wasn’t laid out as well as the first one and a bit more violent, too. The events in the first were choreographed well right from the time Holly slams John’s picture face-down on the desk.


18 posted on 06/27/2007 2:16:59 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: Vinnie

Danny Glover was in Lethal Weapon ... this is Die Hard (though Sam Jackson was in III).

Hemorrhage


19 posted on 06/27/2007 2:18:54 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor
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To: wbill
The first movie? Something about German lesbians, with subtitles.

"Munching in Munich?"

20 posted on 06/27/2007 2:21:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: Tanniker Smith
Die Hard II was good because there was a solid story behind it

Other than the MASSIVE plot hole that all of the circling airplanes could have been redirected to any one of a number of East Coast Airfields. But, then again, a movie about a bunch of irate passengers that wound up in Atlanta after being redirected, probably wouldn't sell as well.

There's likely a market for a movie like that in "Independent Cinema" however... They could have the protagonist (a young European metrosexual, with questioning tendencies) get re-routed from NYC to South Carolina. Hilarity ensues as the main character deals with Hollywood Stereotypes of Southern Culture. "HushPuppies??? What are these???" ....As there isn't a cafe latte in sight, our hero is forced to drink sweet tea. Oh the Drama.....

Coming soon to a college movie house near you.

21 posted on 06/27/2007 2:27:48 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Post-Neolithic
This one however looks like a bunch of bad computer generated scenes.

I read a review of it yesterday in the SF chronicle which gave it a great review and pointed out that all the action was NOT CGI stuff, except for the final scene, which they say, is pretty awesome.

22 posted on 06/27/2007 2:59:54 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: wbill
Other than the MASSIVE plot hole that all of the circling airplanes could have been redirected to any one of a number of East Coast Airfields.

I could be remembering wrong, but didn't they reroute all the planes that had the fuel to make it other airports that weren't in the middle of the blizzard?

But, yeah, that was a bit of a sticky wicket.

23 posted on 06/27/2007 3:03:04 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: Hemorrhage

Shows my Hollywood moxie. ;)


24 posted on 06/27/2007 3:31:47 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: pabianice

The second Diehard movie (I think it was the second one) where the planes couldn’t land at the airport totally sucked. I guess it didn’t occur to the screenwriter that a plane running low on fuel in bad weather would simply get diverted to another airport. Yeesh!


25 posted on 06/27/2007 3:38:41 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Post-Neolithic

“This one however looks like a bunch of bad computer generated scenes.”

Actually there are less CG scenes in this film than in most like it. For instance, when they needed a high jumping car to take out a helicopter they went out and got a car, then they cot a real ‘copter,then they smashed the car into the low flying helicopter.


26 posted on 06/27/2007 3:44:22 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: From The Deer Stand

My favorite kind of movie...


27 posted on 06/27/2007 3:48:54 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) 9/11: Many of us REFUSE to Forget!!)
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To: wbill
Something about a bunch of German Lesbians.

Nah. Now, Swedish lesbians, maybe.

28 posted on 06/27/2007 3:52:54 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: Vinnie

My hollywood moxie’s probably not much better. I generally like mindless movies & spy-thrillers ... gunfights, car chases and nudity (preferably meaningless nudity that is not plot-crucial).

So, Die Hard is right up my alley. Foreign flicks about a mother with a disease and a daughter that learns to love the mother with the disease - I generally sleep through, or watch hoping for nudity or a gunfight that mows down the mother with the disease.

H


29 posted on 06/27/2007 5:07:09 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor
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To: netmilsmom
It’s nice to see a review that states what I want in a movie. Nothing deep, just eye candy and some escape for a few hours!

As opposed to the revolting "A Might Heart", a screening of which I walked out of, and which basically blames Bush and Gitmo for Pearl's death.

30 posted on 06/27/2007 5:14:32 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Kirkwood
Pardon me, but that eventuality was dealt with, quite thoroughly, in the film. The storm was all up and down the East coast, and (if I recall correctly) the nearest available diversion landing city for the D.C.-bound flights was either in FL or Memphis. Those planes w/o sufficient fuel were simply screwed when they couldn't communicate with the tower.

However, one objectionable part of the film was the 10+ second lapse between the tossing of grenades into the cabin and their explosion. Must've been custom-built grenades (yah, right.).

31 posted on 06/27/2007 10:41:44 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: wbill
The other problem with Die Hard II is that the snowstorm is traveling SOUTH down the Atlantic Coast.

Never happens. DC's storms either travel East from Ohio or ride up along the coast from further South.

Cheers!

32 posted on 06/28/2007 12:06:57 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Hemorrhage

I hate movies that have a political statement. I want to be entertained not confronted.
Last movie I watched, on DVD, ‘The Prestige’. Highly recommend it.


33 posted on 06/28/2007 3:51:51 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: pabianice

I saw it last night, highly satisfying. Not as good as the first, but the trailers made it clear the movie didn’t primarily take place in one building so we knew that it wouldn’t be as good as the first, but it was better than the second and probably even better than the third.

Good parts: everybody seems to have taken the clue from Byron Kennedy. I guess I should explain that to the non-movie nerds, Byron Kennedy was the co-creator of Mad Max who unfortunately died before Beyond Thunderdome, when it came to Mad Max 1 and 2 Byron had a simple mantra: when people are talking nothing is happening and we’re making an action movie. That mantra is generally credited with why Road Warrior has less dialog than most half hour sit-coms. The first explosion in DH4 happens almost immediately after the opening credits, the first time somebody shoots at McLane is maybe 5 minutes later, dialog primarily exists in the movie to let the audience breath.

The director moved away from the fast cut obsession that has ruled modern action movies, the benefit of this is you actually can figure out what’s happening, where people are, and other useful stuff like that during the action sequences.

For being a movie about hackers there’s actually surprisingly little techno-babble, the seem to have figured out that since McLane isn’t going to understand what’s going on the audience doesn’t have to either.

Bad stuff:
Tim Olyphant is handily the least scary bad guy in the series, he just doesn’t pose the menace of any of his predecessors. I realize that being in a series where the first bad guy was played by Alan Rickman the bar was set unattainably high but Tim falls way way short. Part of that could be because I’m a fan of Deadwood and I find Tim without facial hair kind of jarring and funny looking.

There are a few spots where the needs of PG-13 are noticeable. Most of the movie works fine, but in 3 or 4 scenes you can really tell they had to go at it with hatchets to get the rating.

The one FX scene where they used CGI was just a bad idea from the start, and definitely throw you out of the moment, what makes it really bad is it’s the second to last scene.

In the end though it’s Die Hard. Still the best action franchise.


34 posted on 06/28/2007 8:33:58 AM PDT by discostu (only things a western savage understands are whiskey and rifles and an unarmed man)
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To: Vinnie

Danny Glover was in The Shooter. Once you get past the politically correct jabs in the movie about how the Iraq war was really about oil, and there weren’t any WMD in Iraq, it was a pretty decent movie, especially getting to see the gunny hero put a bullet through the throat of the character played by Glover.


35 posted on 06/28/2007 10:13:58 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Tanniker Smith
I could be remembering wrong, but didn't they reroute all the planes that had the fuel to make it other airports that weren't in the middle of the blizzard?

They may have, I don't really remember either.

Co-worker saw the movie last night and LOVED it. He's still raving about it.

36 posted on 06/28/2007 11:05:56 AM PDT by wbill
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So it must've been the Nor'easter from Hell, which only makes the plot that much more intriguing!

okay, I'm ducking and sneaking off now ...

37 posted on 06/28/2007 1:23:52 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: pabianice

Saw it today. After hearing it was potentially the worst of the four Die Hard movies, I had my reservations. After reading the average grade by Yahoo moviegoers and not the critics, I decided to take a chance on it. I was pleasantly surprised by it. Granted, some of the action sequences were over the top, but a nice getaway movie for two hours. It had only one “F” word, but I’ll give you a hint. It’s McClane’s favorite saying in the Die Hard movies.


38 posted on 06/28/2007 7:36:40 PM PDT by Big Steve (3 Words We Remembered on November 2- LEAVE NO DOUBT!)
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To: VRWCmember

Shooter was a very good movie and so was this one.


39 posted on 07/01/2007 5:27:56 PM PDT by dennisw
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