Roswell officer's amazing deathbed admission raises possibility that aliens DID visit

Daily Mail ^ | 6/30/07 | Nick Pope

[A CA Guy]

Another illegal alien thread?

[chaosagent]

I bought this flyer at the UFO Museum in Roswell this past March.

[IMG]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb304/chaos__agent/UFOChart.jpg[/IMG]

I think it sums things up very well.

[chaosagent]

Sorry. I'll try it again.

[mad_as_he$$]

Dude, I understood that before the math was done - for some reason it always made sense to me. My physics teacher in college liked the idea so much we spent hours working on the basic model of how it would work. Neither of us had the math to get there. Now, as you point out, the issue is the power to do it. My current theory is that a stable wormhole may be easier to generate and hold with a smaller amount of power than folding space and time. I continue my search for a ZPM!!

Let them jump. Part of being an engineer is dreaming, part is doing the dirty work to make the dream come true. Remember that when I was in school for engineering there was no such thing as a communication device that had a flip top - except in Star Trek. So much science fiction has come true in the last 40 years it is scary. Aircraft invisible to radar was once thought to be impossible. Electric cars that can go further than around the block.

With enough time and money I can deliver any product you like.

[G Larry]

Just placed an order for 10,000 shares of Alcoa!

The price of tinfoil will skyrocket next week!

[BigCinBigD]

I was abducted by female aliens in 1998 while staying at a Holiday Inn in Little Rock Arkansas. They took me to their room and did strange things to my body.

That was the best Star Trek convention I ever attended! :-P

[SideoutFred]

I don’t know if that’s the case, I don’t even know if we’ve ever been visited. I’m just saying with billions of stars and solar systems out there, the idea that there is no other life out there except on one small rock seems to me to be mathematically unlikely.

Now, whether those lifeforms fly around in space saucers or are just amoebas, I have no idea.

[Sarajevo]

THAT was just wrong in so many ways.............

[dennisw]

bttt

[tlb]

We’re almost certainly alone. If you want to play a numbers game this is the link to do it with, it’s a Drake’s Equation calculator.

None of the values in Drake’s Equation is actually known, so there are no wrong inputs. But trying to input reasonable numbers I come out with less then ten alien civilizations. Then stir in factors Drake didn’t consider, such as the density of stars in a given area of space (higher density areas being more subject to radiation, gas, and gravity interference with each other, remember we are out in the galactic sticks ) and I conclude it’s lucky we ourselves are here at all, much less competitors.

http://www.seti.org/site/pp.asp?c=ktJ2J9MMIsE&b=179074

[SideoutFred]

Each to his own and with all due respect to Drake, the universe is a big place and different organisms live under different conditions. The one flaw that I’ve heard about his equation is that it’s roots are based on the Milky Way, which is only one of many many galaxies. What exists here and what truisms are known in this galaxy do not make it so elsewhere.

[SideoutFred]

“Frank Drake’s own current solution to the Drake Equation estimates 10,000 communicative civilizations in the Milky Way. Dr. Drake, who serves on the SETI League’s advisory board, has personally endorsed SETI’s planned all-sky survey.”

[dennisw]

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

http://alienstranger.com/heiserAOD2004.htm

[Pro-Bush]

We’ve been visited.

[tlb]

>>>10,000 communicative civilizations in the Milky Way

10,000 communicative civilizations, who never seem to communicate. Still as I said in my original post no answer is incorrect since we don’t know the true value of a single expression in the equation. Using Drake alone I also got multiple civilizations. But significant elements that Drake ignores include:

1) the already mentioned fact that most stars are in the central galactic core and much more tightly packed then the loose filament of stars in the arms where we reside relatively free of the killer effects of our neighbors. Consider alone just the gravitational effects of a near neighbor star would have on the outer rim of ice planetoids and asteroids, disrupting their orbit and sending many into the inner solar system.

2) the question of the proportion of iron in the planet’s core, sufficient or not to maintain a strong enough magnetic field to deflect the worst of the solar radiation

3) the presence or absence of a moon to deflect or absorb many incoming planet killer meteors and comets

4) the presence or absence of a moon large enough to provide tidal force

5) the stability of the sun. Less then a 1 % increase or decrease of the sun’s output gives us ice ages or a parched world.

Dr Drake is a true believer, and provided an excellent starting point to consider the question. That’s why I recommend it to people, but it’s incomplete. I’ve illustrated several omissions and we could think of other factors not included in the equation, but you get the idea.

Bottom line I think the galaxy is teeming with life of sorts. Algae may well be the true representative of life in the Milky Way. But climbing up the evolutionary ladder from floating spore to electronic toolbuilder appears tough in a galaxy where the game seems so strongly stacked against success.

[rbg81]

Arthur C. Clarke postulated (in various books: Childhood’s End, 2001-A Space Oddessy, etc) that there is only a very small time window between when civilizations become technologically sophisticated and when they learn how to become G-dlike.

The former might correspond to the start of the Industrial Revolution. The latter might be when we learn to transfer our mental essence to machines. At that point, we become intelligent, immortal robots. Then those robots become sufficiently mobile that effectively become spaceships. Sometime after that, we learn how to store our mental essence in the cosmos, so we can literally be anywhere (in space or time).

When the last occurs, physical civilization has ceased to exist because we will have self-evolved to a higher level of consciousness. This transition may only take a few thousand years—certainly no more than 100 thousand.

If so, it would certainly account for why there is no physical evidence that intelligent civilizations have visited Earth. They simply stopped caring about the physical long before they could get here. Or if they do visit, those visits occur as pseudo-divine entities who use their powers to nudge evolution (both physical and social).

[Wuli]

“Quick, call Art Bell and the Kook to Kook show.”

Art Bell had the authors of a new book on Roswell on his show the nite the “news” broke, in one British and one Australian newspaper.

The affidavit was given to the authors of the new book by the family of the man who wrote it.

The book, and the book’s coverage of the affidavit, has been in the book stores for some months; so it’s not like the press just learned about the affidavit the day before they printed their news stories.

Maybe it was a slow news nite for those papers.

[Wuli]

Thanks for providing the pic, for a really great laugh this morning. You get my chuckle of the day prize.

[djf]

I’ve known about Roswell for quite a while and my logic tells me something non-terrestrial crashed there.

Sadly, in another decade or so, there will be no living witnesses to what happened.

While it’s true that there are folks who are out on a limb and absolutely believe things no matter how crazy, I think it works the other way too.

There are folks who, if you walked up to them with an antigravity generator from Roswellm they would insist it was made by our own military.

So I guess to find the truth, you have to throw out the loonies on both ends of the spectrum. And when you do, you end up depending on eyewitness testimony of the locals and the low level military folks.

Most of which who say that whatever it was, there was no possible way it was anything of ours.

[NoobRep]

I have a relative that’s a Colonel in the Air Force that I’ve only met once in my life. This was about 20 years ago at a family reunion. I was only about 10 at the time so I only caught the tail end of the discussion he was having with some other family members. After having a few adult beverages, he said that UFOs are absolutely real and told some great stories about Air Force jets chasing them and the UFOs just toying with them as they pulled away at incredible rates of speed. I wish I had payed a little more attention at the time but hey I was just a kid.

I think this thread illustrates exactly why the government would keep a story like this on the down low. I mean, even 60 years later people still aren’t ready to handle that we may not be the only lifeform in the universe. And in 1947, just a few years after the worst world war we’ve ever seen, how would people have reacted when they were told that we were being invaded by martians from outer space? I think we’re when it comes to disclosure, we’re talking about a combination of national security and of keeping the world in a somewhat stable shape. If this were true, its not a stretch to say we don’t know what they want and why they’ve come here. Its also not difficult to imagine the paranoia and chaos that could ensue the day the government says “this is an alien from outer space. We don’t know why they’re here but we’re being visited and there’s not much we can do about it.”

Is it a stretch to say that life would cease to exist as we know it on earth? Would you go about your life in a normal manner? How would it affect the global economy? Would paranoia grip the world and cause people to rebel and revolt everywhere? All questions I’m sure the government had to deal with when deciding to tell the American people we’re not alone.