Skip to comments.Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (Spoiler Alert!!)
Posted on 07/11/2007 12:44:49 AM PDT by Dianna
Please DO NOT read this thread if you have not seen the movie. Even if you have read this book, topics under discussion can affect what you will expect in the last book.
Several pet theories for the Deathy Hallows have, perhaps, been laid to rest by the release of this movie. A number of plot points I had thought were important to the end of the series were completely left out of Order of the Phoenix.
1. There is absolutely NO reference to the cleaning of Grimmauld Place. Thus, any speculation about the locket horcrux being hoarded by Kreacher must be false.
2. The prophecy was never heard in full. The portion of the prophecy which could have referred to Neville instead of Harry was omitted.
3. There was no mention of Percy's estrangement from his family. Percy was shown at Fudge's side at important points, but unless his face was remembered from previous movies, people not reading the book may not have caught that.
There were two plot changes which puzzled me. Cho was the one who gave Dumbledore's Army away, not the unimportant character of Marietta. Also, Sirius, before he falls through the veil calls Harry, "James". I assume these changes have a point, but I don't know what.
There was also no reference to Hermione and Ron being Prefects. There was no Quidditch at all, so Ron would not be on the team.
Ooops, I forgot one:
4. There is no reference to Aunt Petunia knowing about dementors. There was no howler to her which said, “Remember my last”.
Well I’m sure glad that’s settled.
No connection whatsoever.
The Dementors have a real job.
Eating the souls that wizards refuse to eat?
Harry Potter discovers puberty: “Hey, look everyone! It’s a magic wand!”
For example, the fourth movie, the Goblet of Fire, is completely devoid of the house elves and Hermione's SPEW efforts. Instead of Dobby giving Harry the Gilley-weed, Neville gives it to him. Maybe the house elves aren't going to play much of a role in the final book.
According to the fan sites like The Leaky Cauldron and Mugglenet, she is consulted however, the directors/producers/script writers can choose whether or not to accept her suggestions.
One example: For this movie the script writers had originally written one character completely out of the movie. JK Rowling told them that while it ultimately was there choice to write out this particular character, they would have a difficult time explaining certain events in the final movie.
Since I have not yet seen this movie, I cannot venture a guess as to which one character they might be referring to.
This is known as a 'clue' ...
If there’s no quidditch in “Half-Blood Prince” either (as Dan Radcliffe has said in an interview) how do Harry and Ginny get together?
Sirius obviously called Harry "James" as a Freudiam slip because he missed James and saw him in Harry as they fought together.
I didn't like the movie very much, but my daughter loved it and judging from the reviews it will be a big hit.
They put Kreacher in it but he didn't do anything other than reveal his character.
The one thing they did right was rehabilitate Dumbledore into a grand wizard, after making him a total nuisance in the last film.
Ginny is a very skilled witch evidenced by how JKR describes her in the book. At age 6 she started taking her brothers' brooms out for flying lessons. By her second year, she could conjure a singing Get Well Card for Harry. Somewhere between her third and fourth years, she learned the Bat-bogey hex, striking fear into Fred and George. At least in the movie, she seemed to have little trouble conjuring a patronus.
Does Sirius specifically call Harry “James”, or is he calling to Harry’s father?
“One question I have regarding the movies is whether JK Rowling has approved the scripts and the changes from the books.”
Here Ms. Rowling. Here’s the check, now you be on your way.
He’s speaking to harry complimenting him.
Is Gambon still doing his "angry Dumbledore" routine?
Comparing him favorably to James, sounds like?
Okay, here’s the big question: in terms of sheer movie goodness, how does this one rank against the previous?
No. Mine are solid, backed both by the books themselves and by the literary traditions that Rowling draws from. They completely explain all of the clues and loose ends.
Which means, of course, that I'm 99.9% likely to be completely and utterly wrong.
Order of the Phoenix Ping!
According to the USAToday article yesterday, Kreacher is the character that J.K. Rowling said to put back in. He obviously plays a role in the last book.
Hey I stumbled across this today....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Dark_wizards_in_Harry_Potter
It is really informative and there are links to a J.K Rowling interview and other links to characters from all the books. There may be some spoilers in there so be careful. ;)
Wow that’s really interesting! I’m still going through it all. Thanks for the link!
Grindelwald was a Dark wizard before Lord Voldemort and his only mention is in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone on Albus Dumbledore's Chocolate Frog card which notes that Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald in 1945.
Rowling apparently once claimed that there was a connection between Grindelwald and Adolf Hitler (hence the 1945 date of defeat); she has stated that she likes to imagine a connection between the wizarding world and the real one.
Grindelwald has something to do with the remaining plot. .
Grindelwald is a Germanic name: Wald means "Forest", and Grindelwald is a ski resort in Switzerland. The name Grindelwald also bears a resemblance to the mythic Grendel who was defeated by Beowulf. It is worth noting that one of Dumbledore's middle names is Wulfric - close to Beowulf. Given Rowling's penchant for clever naming, it is likely that this was intended.
But I'm not going to readt this thread until I've seen the movie. (which is hopefully this Saturday)
I think it is good to read the books again after movies because JKR always says that the info to figure out the ending is in the movies, it sorts out lots of filler and clues that really aren’t clues from the books.
I am getting disgruntled that my friend that I always go to movies with hasn’t gotten back to me as to when we can see this film. Although, I am not really sure I want to see it when it is packed with kids either....
That is interesting about Grindelwald...
Seriously. Now can we go on to discussing what Nicole Richie will be wearing when she is sentenced? I mean let's get our priorities straight!!
I know what you mean. We are going to go early Saturday morning, so I'm hoping it won't be too packed.
It would be easy enough to add a flashback scene or just refer to the cleaning of Grimmauld Place at the appropriate time. They could also skip the cleaning entirely and just have Mundungus or Kreacher steal it directly.
Jason Isaacs (Lucius Malfoy) gave an interview pointing out the similarities.
You’re beating me. I will NEVER make it, I am only halfway through Prisoner, and my guests don’t leave until Saturday night. I guess I get to read Hallows last, since the children aren’t re-reading.
I’m on my seventh reading of the books. I’m up to the hearing chapter in “Order of the Phoenix.”
I thought the part about Grindelwald was very interesting as well, and it amazes me how she comes up with the characters’ names.
Did you find the link to her interview with the guy who started leaky cauldron? It is really worth reading if you don’t mind a few hints about which way the book may be heading. Also there is a link to the characters sorted by the hogwart’s houses. There are a few characters whose names do not have links so they must be being introduced in the 7th book.
:) I was nervous because we were at the beach all last week and I didn’t take any books (I read SS and CoS before I left), but I knocked out PoA sun-tue evenings and started GoA last night. Honestly, I should really take some notes when I read these books...
I was going to take notes, but I gave up. I have 11 people in the house, and even with just my own 4, it’s been a hectic summer.
Oooo...I didn’t see that, but I will go back and check it out!
1. What is the reason for the PG-13 rating?
2. Does the movie include the detention and the writing-instrument-from-hell?
1. Because of scenes of violence/frightening scenes.
2. Yes, I saw him using the quill on the A&E special the other night.
2. That part is included according to reviews.
Emily, what’re your thoughts on my “Death Eaters are Nazis” theory?
Guess we can count on the Americans to come in and save the day in book 7 then? ;-)
After Chris Columbus cast his daughter and niece in the first two movies, she's forbidden non-British actors.
I definately agree with it, in fact when death eaters were first introduced I thought they were like the KKK because of the hoods, etc. I think Rowling combined the 2 because they are what are considered “evil” and like you pointed out they both are fixated on a pure race, no mixing of the races. I also consider the fact that Fudge was theoretically Chamberlain and Dumbledore was Churchhill. In OOtP Fudge’s administration made me think of the Clintons admin. in how they denied and covered up any acts of “terrorism” so that the public wouldn’t lose faith in the gov’t.
I noticed that Rowling is coming out with a children’s book about politics(possibly by next summer). I’m anxious to see her thought process. Hopefully she won’t disappoint me. ;)