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To: Coyoteman

And of course, materialism is metaphysics not a scientific fact so what’s wrong with challenging it? There are so many fake sciences these days that I am tempted to relaunch my Anti-ismism Institute of Higher Scoffing.

I mean, so many things are just accepted as fact because they manage the rather meager feat of surviving more then one human lifetime. Once that happens it because “the way things have always been” and becomes unquestioned and unquestionable dogma.

It is really very hard to feel more sympathy for one fake science over another. Unless one is, like, more fun or something. The Forbidden Sciences have always been the best sciences. Anything the New Inquisition wants to destroy seems like a hoot!

Life seems too short to believe what a bunch of stuffy, boring, anti-fun cultists want me to believe to be socially acceptable.

I mean, Darwinism, really, other then that funny fish with legs that makes me laugh, what does it contribute to my life? How does Darwinism bring more joy into my life? And how would believing in it make me a better person? And if it is something I have to believe in, is it science or is it faith?

I mean, how do I know if anything is real if I can’t experience it for myself? If I get my facts from somebody else, that is reality at least once removed. ID and Darwinism are pretty much the same except ID seems to have more joy behind it. It makes the Universe seem like a friendly Universe and I’d rather live in a friendly Universe then a cold indifferent one or even a hostile one.

A secondary benefit is there are fewer IDists to annoy me, which whenever a cultish belief gets too many people I just find it vexing. Don’t you find it vexing? Everyone all insisting everything is the same? Where is the joy in that? And if there is no joy in it, it doesn’t have much purpose. Because life is joy and joy is life. That is all I know and it seems to be all I need to know.

I do find rather amusing that people can get so upset over a book review and seem to ignore the book or pretend there is no book.

If a book review is written by someone a Darwinist finds lacking, does the book exist? Ah, now that’s metaphysics!


22 posted on 07/16/2007 7:48:57 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (Well, Harvey has overcome not only time and space, but any objections.)
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To: Duke Nukum
And of course, materialism is metaphysics not a scientific fact so what’s wrong with challenging it?

You are close, but still a little off.

Naturalism is an assumption that science makes. It amounts to an approach whereby scientists will deal with things that can be perceived, and leaves the supernatural (that which can't be perceived) to other disciplines. Is there anything wrong with that?

And what if there is a supernatural, that can't be perceived by science? Well, that's for theology and other related disciplines to deal with. What's wrong with that?

The problem we are having is that the Discovery Institute has embarked on a program of trying to push religion (in the guise of ID) into science classes because the earlier version of religious belief, creation "science," was prohibited by the US Supreme Court.

This is the problem I have with ID. Its not science, its thinly disguised religious belief pretending to be science and pushed by a large PR budget.

23 posted on 07/16/2007 8:06:36 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Duke Nukum
I mean, how do I know if anything is real if I can’t experience it for myself? If I get my facts from somebody else, that is reality at least once removed. ID and Darwinism are pretty much the same except ID seems to have more joy behind it. It makes the Universe seem like a friendly Universe and I’d rather live in a friendly Universe then a cold indifferent one or even a hostile one.

This is subjectivism. I recall Chief Dan George as an Indian Chief ( in a stretch ) on an episode of Doctor Welby. They were flying in a light plane on a medical mission, and the pilot expressed doubt that the weather would hold up. "Well, what do the clouds say?" asked the Chief. This was his version of meteorology - direct experience.

26 posted on 07/16/2007 10:05:31 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Duke Nukum
The Forbidden Sciences have always been the best sciences.

I have always advocated that the best way to teach Darwin would be to place a copy of THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES on top of a greased pole wrapped in barbed wire out in front of the High School ... because more people would read it that way!

Of course, Evolution was a Forbidden Science at its introduction. Perhaps its sojourn as orthodoxy is temporary, in which case you may look forward to taking it up at some future date.

29 posted on 07/16/2007 10:27:57 PM PDT by dr_lew
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