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Big Chicken with Sharp Teeth

Posted on 07/21/2007 4:05:25 PM PDT by rickdylan

I looked for an existing FR thread on this one and didn't find one. There were a couple of threads from a year or so ago describing the original find but nothing on the more recent news. Researchers in 2005 broke a tyrannosaur bone in half to get it on a small helicopter which was all they had available and found soft tissue inside the bone including what looked like raw meet, blood vessels, and blood. More recently, collagen and proteins from this bone have been sequenced and turnout to be altogether similar to those of chickens. The tyrannosaur apparently was basically just a big chicken with sharp teeth. It would almost certainly taste like chicken.


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: chicken; fsmdidit; godsgravesglyphs; tedholden; tyrannosaur

1 posted on 07/21/2007 4:05:27 PM PDT by rickdylan
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To: rickdylan

Do the tyrannosaurs have large talons?


2 posted on 07/21/2007 4:06:57 PM PDT by fzx12345 (ACLU DELENDA EST)
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To: rickdylan

Wonder if it tastes like chicken, too.


3 posted on 07/21/2007 4:07:52 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: rickdylan
Alligators, supposedly the descendants of 'saurs, do taste like chicken.
4 posted on 07/21/2007 4:07:55 PM PDT by indcons (I support Mitt's 5th position on abortion, 8th position on gun rights, and 7th position on amnesty.)
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To: rickdylan

There was a thread, but it didn’t thrive as it should have. The orioles, wrens, and robins in my garden wish they were bigger and with teeth. Hitchcock was right, they are just waiting for the right time.


5 posted on 07/21/2007 4:10:21 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: indcons

“supposedly”. Now that’s a good word to use when talking about evolution. It’s right in there with “theory”.


6 posted on 07/21/2007 4:11:18 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Borax Queen; Darksheare; nicmarlo
From the commentary:

It would almost certainly taste like chicken

It's a misspelling........... for all you English majors.....should have been "chikin"......

7 posted on 07/21/2007 4:12:24 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

8 posted on 07/21/2007 4:14:31 PM PDT by indcons (I support Mitt's 5th position on abortion, 8th position on gun rights, and 7th position on amnesty.)
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To: fish hawk

Hear ya. 65 million year old bone containing soft tissue! Yea, right.


9 posted on 07/21/2007 4:18:35 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019

Aside from everything else, this one almost has to be the end of evolution.


10 posted on 07/21/2007 4:22:30 PM PDT by rickdylan
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To: Lakeshark; Darksheare; nicmarlo
Big Chicken Shark with Sharp Teeth
11 posted on 07/21/2007 4:25:12 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: fzx12345

“Do the tyrannosaurs have large talons?”
Do they have what?
Large talons.
I don’t understand a word you just said.


12 posted on 07/21/2007 4:26:30 PM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: rickdylan

What? And give up their religion. Ain’t gona’ happen.


13 posted on 07/21/2007 4:32:06 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: rickdylan

Stories from the Onion ~~or~~ “Strong like Bull, Smart like Fence Post”


14 posted on 07/21/2007 4:41:42 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: RightWhale

My insane lovebird isn’t waiting, she goes for the fingers to draw blood, and does this chattery laugh when she finally succeeds.


15 posted on 07/21/2007 4:54:25 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Bah weep graaagnah wheep ni ni bong.")
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To: xcamel

“Strong like Bull, Smart like Fence Post”

at our house it was always “Strong like Bull, smart like policedog”.


16 posted on 07/21/2007 5:18:57 PM PDT by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: neodad

Where is Frank Perdue when you need him?


17 posted on 07/21/2007 6:20:40 PM PDT by daniel1212
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To: doc1019

Yeah, right. This is old news ~ the fact that ancient proteins were found. Under the right conditions there’s no reason they should dry up and blow away.


18 posted on 07/21/2007 6:36:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

But, 65 million years! And “soft” tissue to boot. Stretches credulity to its extreme, IMHO


19 posted on 07/21/2007 6:42:15 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019

Your opinion is uninformed.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/science/12cnd-dino.html?ex=1185163200&en=82cb6ea2c09a6749&ei=5070


20 posted on 07/21/2007 6:43:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Gee, now that article changes my opinion. /s


21 posted on 07/21/2007 6:52:47 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019
Hear ya. 65 million year old bone containing soft tissue! Yea, right.

Stop telling those tall tells, I just read on another thread that nothing was over five thousand years old.

LOL

22 posted on 07/21/2007 7:00:03 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

Hear ya! (USN 68-78). LOL!


23 posted on 07/21/2007 7:04:14 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019
Look, it used to be the godless Evolutionist conspirators who were arguing that no proteins could last for tens of millions of years (thereby demonstrating the incredible age of dinosaur fossil bones).

Has this argument switched sides or something?

24 posted on 07/21/2007 7:20:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Not sure what you are trying to say. Could you elucidate? Clarification can often be the essence of thought.


25 posted on 07/21/2007 7:36:15 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019
Er, yeah ~ there's no reason why soft tissues can't be preserved indefinitely (or at least for a very long time).

I have several cans of potted beef on my shelves. If civilization stopped today, and everybody was gone, it could still be there millions of years from now, or at least hidden in the rubble of what had been my home.

You do realize these are very special fossils. They don't find them every day.

26 posted on 07/21/2007 7:46:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

But, for 65 million years …

I don’t know if the argument has changed, I just find that to believe that there could be viable (soft) tissue after 65 (or longer) million years just beyond credibility. IMHO.

As you might have surmised, I’m a believer in the creation account per the Bible. Six days and all that. So, for the most part all other arguments are thrown my way in vain.

And, I guess, I will spend eternity in Heaven with my Lord, commiserating with the angles about my lack of faith in evolution.

Good discussion though.


27 posted on 07/21/2007 7:53:46 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019
No one said it was "viable", just that it was preserved "soft tissue" ~ that is, protein bundles.

I seriously doubt it's going to get up and walk down to the nearest singles bar looking for a date or anything.

The DNA thing is recent ~ initially the researchers didn't think they'd find any.

Now, a question for you, how could you doubt God's capacity for marvelous leaps across time and space.

Here we've gone and joked about dinosaurs that "taste like chicken" for decades, and now we find out they probably do.

That's definitely a conversation with our Creator. It's kind of like Handel's Hallelujah Chorus ~ he took a piece of the Bible translated to English and made incredible music for it. No doubt God heard that music and in the ancient distant past made sure the inspired Word would ring true to the Chorus thousands of years in the future.

Sometimes I think Creationists don't think these things out far enough ~

28 posted on 07/21/2007 7:59:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: coop71

Just have another boiled egg while I count out these pennies.


29 posted on 07/21/2007 8:04:06 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (Liberals, A terrorists best friend!)
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To: rickdylan; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor

ping.


30 posted on 07/22/2007 2:19:01 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: muawiyah; doc1019

It would have to have never rained in Montana and the Dakotas for millions of years for that bone not to be totally petrified.


31 posted on 07/22/2007 2:35:10 AM PDT by rickdylan
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To: rickdylan
Even if they found live dinosaurs today, it wouldn't be the end of Macroevolution. There have already been discoveries of so-called 'living fossils' such as the colecanth (that could be heavily misspelled). Macroevolution doesn't need dinosaurs to have died off millions of years ago for it to work.

Plus, as Macroevolution is a religious-based model for the origins of life, Macroevolutionists will continue to believe in their 'creation myth' even if there are setbacks, as there have already been plenty.

32 posted on 07/22/2007 2:40:56 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

This one almost has to be the final coffin nail. Creationists had been talking about soft tissue in dino bones for years and now you have the story in mainstream journals. They’re just stalling for time until they can devise some new anti-Christine belief system before they pull the plug.


33 posted on 07/22/2007 2:53:22 AM PDT by rickdylan
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To: 4yearlurker
I'd rather drink from the big jug of yolks, thanks.
34 posted on 07/22/2007 7:13:49 AM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: rickdylan
This one almost has to be the final coffin nail.

False. You have posting this story (incorrectly) since it hit the news a couple of years ago. You have been corrected on many threads. You still haven't gotten things right. (Where's your "hamburger) picture?)

Creationists had been talking about soft tissue in dino bones for years and now you have the story in mainstream journals.

Citations? Any published literature about creationists and "soft tissue?"

Creationists have been talking about a lot of things; you can find the goofiest ideas on their websites. But they have been doing no scientific research. They are just trying to justify their beliefs with pseudo-scientific trappings.

They’re just stalling for time until they can devise some new anti-Christine belief system before they pull the plug.

BS. You have been wrong about this story since it came out.

35 posted on 07/22/2007 8:45:26 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: rickdylan

Come on Ted, do some research before you define petrified.


37 posted on 07/22/2007 10:02:38 AM PDT by kosmodog (it's not lost, it is temporarily misplaced...)
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To: indcons

>>Alligators, supposedly the descendants of ‘saurs, do taste like chicken.<<

I’m pretty sure that alligators are not, in fact, decedents of dinosaurs. Crocodylia are old enough and distinct enough to have their own order (of which alligatoridae are a family).

So alligators would be reptiles from a different branch than dinosaurs - most closely related to iguanas.


38 posted on 07/22/2007 10:25:51 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: org.whodat

>> Stop telling those tall tells, I just read on another thread that nothing was over five thousand years old.

LOL<<

One of the keys to understanding is Psalm 90:4. By including all the bible instead of cherry picking a much more reasonable estimate is obtained. 15,340,500,000 years is the more reasonable bible based number.

The people who originally supported the 5,00 year estimate - were understandable. They lacked science, they lacked advanced math and knowledge of the dozen different disciplines that all independently date the earth to billions of years.

But these days when we can look down into the Grand Canyon and measure 2 billion years of history it is clear that those low numbers were horrifically inaccurate.


39 posted on 07/22/2007 10:34:21 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: rickdylan
So ... someone spent dozens of hours on their hands and knees uncovering this thing. They used soft-bristle brushes, puffs of their own breath, and the most delicate of low-impact hand tools to preserve the artifact while it was being excavated. They allowed no one near the item except highly trained staff so no damage would occur.

Then when it didn't fit in the chopper they smacked it over a nearby boulder to make the pieces shorter?

Kinda like me taking some scrap lumber to the landfill ...

Did that part seem unlikely to anyone else?

40 posted on 07/22/2007 10:12:11 PM PDT by WireAndWood (I want the Barbie twins to make me a sandwich.)
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To: rickdylan

related:

Ancient T. rex and mastodon protein fragments discovered, sequenced
National Science Foundation | 12-Apr-2007 | Cheryl Dybas
Posted on 04/12/2007 3:43:57 PM EDT by AdmSmith
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1816333/posts

Dinosaur Shocker
(YEC say dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years)
Smithsonian Magazine | May 1, 2006 | Helen Fields
Posted on 05/01/2006 11:29:14 AM EDT by SirLinksalot
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/1624642/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1409928/posts?page=24#24


41 posted on 07/22/2007 11:50:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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42 posted on 07/22/2007 11:51:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Man with huge cock

43 posted on 07/22/2007 11:53:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: WireAndWood

>>Did that part seem unlikely to anyone else?<<

I think it is unlikely - that’s why it took so long for it to happen.


44 posted on 07/23/2007 6:13:26 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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