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Mother Strangled, Daughters Died From Smoke Inhalation.(Connecticut story)
http://www.courant.com/news/custom/topnews/hcu-family-killed-0724,0,1696148.story?page=1 ^ | 7/24/07 | Colin Poitras

Posted on 07/25/2007 4:33:38 AM PDT by BlueSky194

The woman killed in a horrific home invasion Monday in Cheshire was strangled and her daughters died of smoke inhalation, the state medical examiner's office said tonight.

Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 48, and her daughters, Hayley, 17 and Michaela, 11, were killed in the attack. Their deaths were ruled homicides.

A fourth family member, Dr. William A. Petit Jr., was beaten but survived, stumbling to safety as the home was consumed by a fire allegedly set by the suspects.

Two recent parolees who apparently met at a halfway house for nonviolent offenders were arraigned Tuesday.

Joshua Komisarjevsky, 26, of 840 North Brooksvale Road, Cheshire, and Steven Hayes, 44, of 5-H Horne Ave., Winsted, each face a multitude of charges, including first-degree aggravated sexual assault and first-degree kidnapping. State police said the investigation is continuing and that more charges will be filed.

Both suspects have long criminal records and were on parole after serving time in prison for past burglaries. They were arraigned on the new charges in Superior Court in Meriden, with bail for each man set at $15 million.

Among other details to emerge about the case today:

William A Petit Jr., may have confronted the burglars before he was badly beaten with a baseball bat, tied up and left in the basement.

His two daughters were tied to their beds, a source said, and at least one was raped.

Police have recovered $15,000 that Petit's wife was forced to withdraw from a bank that morning while the rest of her family was held hostage.

Relatives of the victims released a statement decrying the "horrible, senseless, violent assaults."

Komisarjevsky and Hayes apparently met at a Hartford residential drug treatment program in June 2006, and spent approximately 5-1/2 months together between that program and another halfway house, until Hayes failed a urine test in late November.

The pair were both at Berman House treatment center on Sargent Street in Hartford from June 13 to July 25. They reunited at Silliman House on Retreat Avenue in Hartford, where both men's stays overlapped from July 31 until Nov. 26, 2006.

Silliman House is a 24-bed work release program where former inmates receive counseling, employment assistance, financial management services, housing assistance, substance abuse treatment and other help. Residents are also tested for drugs and alcohol and given life skills and anger management training. Beds cost an estimated $64.95 per day. Once employed, residents must contribute 35 percent of their weekly gross pay, up to $100 a week.

Town police officers who raced to the Petits' home at 300 Sorghum Mill Drive Monday morning said they saw Komisarjevsky and Hayes running from the burning house and attempting to escape in a car owned by the victims. After ramming three police cruisers, the suspects were arrested at gunpoint.

Inside the home, Petit, a prominent doctor who was beaten and tied up in the basement, was able to hop up the cellar stairs as the flames spread. He was the only one to make it out alive.

As he struggled, flames roared around Hawke-Petit, a popular nurse at Cheshire Academy, who was unconscious and possibly already dead on the first floor.

The charred body of his older daughter, Hayley, a recent graduate of Miss Porter's School in Farmington, was found at the top of the main stairs.

In a second-floor bedroom down the hall, the youngest in the family, Michaela, was found tied to a bed. Her body was too badly burned to immediately tell how she died.

Based on statements that the two men have provided, police now believe that William Petit may have confronted the burglars and was badly beaten with a baseball bat, tied up and left in the basement, sources said.

The two girls were tied to their beds. Sources say at least one was raped. The two men also poured gasoline all around the second floor bedrooms of the two girls and lit the rooms on fire.

Relatives of the Petits released a brief statement that read: "Our precious family members have been the victims of horrible, senseless, violent assaults. We are understandably in shock and overwhelmed with sadness as we attempt to gather together to support one another and recognize these wonderful, giving beautiful individuals who have been so cruelly taken from us."

Police were dispatched to the house about 9:20 a.m. after Jennifer Hawke-Petit was forced by one of the suspects to drive to a local bank branch to get money. Hawke-Petit was able to alert a teller that her family was being held hostage because the suspect who went with her waited outside. At the bank, Hawke-Petit withdrew $15,000 from a bank account. The money was later found in the family vehicle the suspects used to flee.

As police were closing in on the Deaconwood neighborhood of half-million-dollarhomes, the two men jumped in the family's Chrysler Pacifica SUV parked in the driveway. The fleeing suspects rammed a police cruiser that tried to cut them off in front of the house and continued west on Sorghum toward a police roadblock about a block away.

Sgt. Chris Cote and Officer Tom Wright, both members of the department's SWAT team, had left their cars at the roadblock and were headed toward the house armed with semiautomatic rifles. Officer Jeff Sutherland was positioned at the roadblock.

Instead of slowing for the roadblock, the fleeing suspects gunned the SUV's engine and raced toward Sutherland. The SUV slammed into two police cruisers in the center of the roadblock. Their front ends mangled, the police cars spun apart from each other on impact. Sutherland escaped injury. The Pacifica, front end damaged and airbags deployed, rolled 30 feet before stopping against a neighbor's manicured lawn.

Officers, guns drawn, swarmed the vehicle and pulled the suspects out.

Komisarjevsky is charged with one count each of first-degree assault, first-degree aggravated sexual assault, first-degree burglary, first-degree arson, conspiracy to commit arson in the first-degree, first-degree robbery and risk of injury to a minor, plus two counts of first-degree larceny and four counts of first-degree kidnapping.

Corrections Department records show Komisarjevsky was sentenced in January 2003 to nine years in prison for second-degree burglary. He was released to a halfway house in June 2006 and was granted parole 3½ months ago. Official records show several spellings for Komisarjevsky's name.

Hayes is charged with one count each of first-degree aggravated sexual assault, first-degree burglary, first-degree arson, conspiracy to commit arson in the first-degree, first-degree robbery and risk of injury to a minor, plus two counts of first-degree larceny and four counts of first-degree kidnapping.

His criminal record dates back to at least 1980. In October 2003, he was sentenced to five years in prison for third-degree burglary. In June 2006 he was released to a halfway house, but was sent back to prison five months later for drug use. He was granted parole less than three months ago.

Corrections officials said in a statement that both suspects "were deemed to be appropriate candidates for supervised parole in the community based on their criminal history, which involved the minimum level of violence." Both suspects were on a weekly reporting schedule with their parole officers "and had been in full compliance with the requirements of their release, including being employed on a fulltime basis."

Brian Garnett, a corrections department spokesman, would not say where the two men were employed.

Department of Correction Capt. Edward Ramsey said neither man had been incarcerated at the same prison facility at the same time during their time behind bars.

Robert Pidgeon, chief executive officer of Community Solutions Inc., which runs Silliman House and six other halfway houses as part of a $4 million contract with the Department of Corrections, said he doubted the two men were assigned to the same employer while at the halfway house, but said, "They certainly saw each other."

Although Pidgeon said he did not have a detailed report of their behavior and performance at Silliman House, he said he doubted there were problems prior to Hayes' failing the urine test.

"I can tell you they [corrections] would yank them back quickly if there was a problem," Pidgeon said. "They're very good about that." Pidgeon said the profile of a typical CSI client is "a younger, non-violent individual with a history of drug use or alcohol dependency." When it was noted that Hayes, who is 44, didn't quite fit that description, Pidgeon said, "He's older than the inmate population in general. It's a young bunch."

Although corrections officials described each man as having a "minimal violence history," Pidgeon emphasized that their prior criminal histories involved burglary. "That's going into an occupied premises for the purpose of committing a felony," he said.

At a sentencing hearing for Komisarjevsky in 2002, authorities involved in the case said he would wear military night vision goggles and break into homes to steal electronic items while his victims slept.

The judge, James Bentivegna, called Komisarjevsky a "cold, calculating predator." The prosecutor in the case, Ronald Dearstyne, said at the time that Komisarjevsky began robbing homes when he was 14 in Cheshire. Dearstyne told the judge that Komisarjevsky would carry a military backpack, equipped with items including a knife, to rip through window screens.

Komisarjevsky had told police he burglarized homes to pay for a drug habit. But the prosecutor and judge said his actions were more calculating than those of a junkie needing cash for a fix. At his sentencing, Komisarjevsky apologized to his victims.

Komisarjevsky's home on North Brooksvale Road is about two miles from the Petits home. A man at the North Brooksvale address gave the Courant a written statement Tuesday morning but would not answer questions. The statement read: "This is an absolute tragedy. Our deepest sympathy goes out to the Petit family and all those whose lives they touched. We cannot understand what would have made something like this happen. There is nothing else we can say at this time."

Hayes has a long history of burglary and larceny convictions going back 25 years, and accumulated 23 disciplinary actions while in prison dating back to the 1980s, authorities said in court today.

Investigators found a car - believed to belong to one of the suspects - in the Quarry Village subdivision about 1-1/2 miles away from the Petits'.

On Monday, investigators had not determined what brought the men to the Petits' home.

William Petit was listed in serious but stable condition at St. Mary's Hospital in Waterbury Monday night. Officials at St. Mary's Tuesday evening declined to give out any new information on his condition.

Neighbor Kim Ferraiolo said she had just spoken to William Petit about 7:30 p.m. Sunday and nothing seemed amiss.

"They were the nicest people, just a great family," said Ferraiolo, who moved next door about three years ago.

Ferraiolo said a neighbor alerted her to the fire Monday morning and she tried to call Petit at work, but was told he never showed. She said Petit likes to tend to his flower beds and "has a great sense of humor."

Ferraiolo, like other stunned neighbors, tried to understand why the Petits' home was picked. "It's just hard to understand how someone could do something like that."

Investigators believe the two men barged into the home sometime after 3 a.m. and held family members hostage for hours, sources close to the case said. Shortly after businesses opened at 9 a.m., one of the men took Jennifer Hawke-Petit to the Bank of America branch office in Maplecroft Plaza several miles away and forced her to withdraw money.

Shortly after they returned to the house - as police were racing to the scene - the suspects set fire to the residence and fled. Cheshire Town Manager Michael Milone praised police and firefighters for risking their lives responding to a dangerous crime scene.

Neighbors said that shortly after the fire was extinguished, a firefighter climbed a ladder to enter a second-floor bedroom window in search of possible victims and then quickly backed out. Police SWAT team members then moved in and secured the home, witnesses said.

"I just can't say enough good things about how proud I am of our police officers and firefighters," Milone said. He credited his police officers for making a quick arrest.

"They exemplified the best in public service," Milone said. "Without their great work this could have been a far worse tragedy." William Petit, 50, is a prominent endocrinologist and medical director of the Joslin Diabetes Center Affiliate at The Hospital of Central Connecticut in New Britain. He is a past president of the state chapter of the American Diabetes Association and was elected to the ADA Hall of Merit in 1994.

Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 48, was a nurse and co-director of the Richmond Health Center at Cheshire Academy. She had been a nurse at Yale-New Haven Hospital and was a Penn State graduate. She also had been involved with the Girl Scouts and Habitat for Humanity.

At Cheshire Academy, a private day and boarding school, she was considered a friend, a peer and a confidant for students as well as a health care provider.

"If anybody ever wanted someone taking care of the kids when they were not right there with you, it was her," said Philip Moore, the school's director of communications. "She was a mom and a health care professional. That's how she approached her job." Hayley Petit graduated in June from Miss Porter's, where she was co-editor in chief of Chautauqua, the school's "journal of scholarly writing." She was also co-captain of the crew team and a member of the cross country and basketball teams. She was set to attend Dartmouth College, her father's alma mater, where she planned to study medicine.

Jennifer Hawke-Petit was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis eight years ago. The family was active in the Connecticut chapter of the Multiple Sclerosis Society and Hayley had formed a fundraising team called "Hayley's Hope" that raised more than $54,000 for the cause over the past eight years.

Michaela was looking to continue her older sister's legacy by adding "Michaela's Miracle" to the campaign.


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: crime; deathpenalty; homeinvasion; justice; petit
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1 posted on 07/25/2007 4:33:42 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: BlueSky194

Everyone email The Connecticut Network to Abolish the Death Penalty.
http://www.nodp.org/cnadp/
If they dont think these 2 killers deserve the death penalty, they are truly sick people.


2 posted on 07/25/2007 4:35:11 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: BlueSky194

Every time I see one of these stories I think how really cheap building more prisons really is. Career criminals should spend the rest of their lives in prison.


3 posted on 07/25/2007 4:37:09 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: BlueSky194

Prayers for this guy. May the grace and presence of God be with him.

And swift judgment and justice for the perps.


4 posted on 07/25/2007 4:38:19 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: ontap

Every time I see one of these stories I think how really cheap a bullet to the back of the head really is. I don’t want my tax money spent on these worthless criminals.


5 posted on 07/25/2007 4:41:41 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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Give these murdering scum a choice”death by hanging or have your eyes removed and set free.
6 posted on 07/25/2007 4:43:50 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (If you want to be lied to ,turn on your TV!)
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To: BlueSky194
I really feel for William Petit. Since he is a doctor, I'm guessing he's helped a lot of people in his career. I've read comments from people who said he was their doctor and they really liked him. Now he's lost his wife and family and the home and life they built together.

There is nothing of value the two scum who did this can ever do for society other than donate themselves for medical research. Otherwise, these two evil bastards should be killed. I don't see how even Jesus could forgive them. Some people just need killing...

7 posted on 07/25/2007 4:44:10 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Agree and amen. How to keep the nightmare of these memories from overwhelming the earlier life of happiness & love... I pray for God’s strength & grace for him.


8 posted on 07/25/2007 4:44:40 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher (We are Americans...the sons and daughters of liberty...*.from FReeper the Real fifi*))
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To: BlueSky194

Everybody should be sure to combat the idea that “there is some good in everyone.” Some people are just plain bad. And you can’t tell who they are.


9 posted on 07/25/2007 4:45:43 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: caver

10 posted on 07/25/2007 4:48:30 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: BlueSky194

Once upon a time Connecticut was a prosperous state with a reputation for public safety. Over the last 30 years the state has been allowed to go down the tubes through exactly the sort of lax law enforcement on display here. It will be interesting to see if this episode is enough to shock the Constitution State back to its senses.


11 posted on 07/25/2007 4:50:28 AM PDT by hedgie
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To: BlueSky194

“Two recent parolees who apparently met at a halfway house for nonviolent offenders...”

Sounds like these halfway houses are becoming a breeding grounds for criminals. We need to shut them down and put the residents in prisons.


12 posted on 07/25/2007 4:50:57 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: caver

Agreed! But I was talking about something that we could reasonably expect to happen.


13 posted on 07/25/2007 4:51:36 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: ontap

It’s sad that we will have to reasonably expect these criminals will probably live to a ripe old age.


14 posted on 07/25/2007 4:53:43 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver

The upside is that if they do it won’t be much of one.


15 posted on 07/25/2007 4:55:37 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: BlueSky194

While you’re at it, e-mail the Parole Board as well.


16 posted on 07/25/2007 5:01:33 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: BlueSky194
Two recent parolees who apparently met at a halfway house for nonviolent offenders were arraigned Tuesday

Nonviolent offenders?

17 posted on 07/25/2007 5:03:31 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: BlueSky194

Paging, Truman Capote...

Oh wait, he’s dead.

He would’ve loved these guys.


18 posted on 07/25/2007 5:06:00 AM PDT by zipper (`)
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To: hedgie

Wait until New Haven starts to reap the “benefits” of its new policy of providing IDs to illegals..


19 posted on 07/25/2007 5:06:17 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050
"Wait until New Haven starts to reap the “benefits” of its new policy of providing IDs to illegals."


20 posted on 07/25/2007 5:08:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: hedgie

CT has become overrun by illegal aliens.


21 posted on 07/25/2007 5:13:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ontap
The expanded popularity of stand your ground and defend your castle, should be further expanded to trespassers on private property will be shot. Little house or big ranch makes no difference. You on someones property without permission, you best be walking up the front door, hat in had and real polite. These sneak around scum thieves would of been dead decades ago. They murdered because they were alive, and they were alive because of leftist/liberal/RINO wimps that couldn’t pull the trigger on them and wouldn’t let fellow citizens cull them out of the human experiment.
22 posted on 07/25/2007 5:14:23 AM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: BlueSky194

The Castle Doctrine: Don’t make a home in a state without it.


23 posted on 07/25/2007 5:14:54 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: BlueSky194

I can’t even fathom the terror this family endured.

When I read how many convictions these guys had I had to shake my head. What does it take to put someone behind bars for good? It’s obvious they were not going to be rehabilitated. Maybe if parole boards and judges were held accountable for crimes like these they might think twice before releasing the scum.


24 posted on 07/25/2007 5:19:37 AM PDT by surrey
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To: ontap

Career criminals should spend the rest of their lives in prison.”

These two guys have graduated beyond career criminals.
They turned into rabid animals. Too bad the cops didn’t shoot both of them.


25 posted on 07/25/2007 5:20:31 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: caver

I agree with you.


26 posted on 07/25/2007 5:21:21 AM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: philetus

Could not agree more.


27 posted on 07/25/2007 5:23:30 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: zipper

Even Capote admitted that the death penalty served the case of justice in the Kansas case. He also witnessed the executions.


28 posted on 07/25/2007 5:25:23 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: BlueSky194

Somewhere there is a judge and parole board complicit in the crime...


29 posted on 07/25/2007 5:26:58 AM PDT by mo
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To: surrey
What does it take to put someone behind bars for good?

Murder charges? (The article says the deaths were homicides, but no mention of charging the men with that.)

30 posted on 07/25/2007 5:31:02 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Leisler

Connecticut is not a “stand your ground” state, it is a “must retreat” state.


31 posted on 07/25/2007 5:31:48 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: BlueSky194
On Monday, investigators had not determined what brought the men to the Petits' home.

This is still the key question - as home invasions are hardly ever random events. When I was growing up we had an incredible incidence of home burglaries in our neighborhood - in nearly every case it was because of teenage children of the victims volunteering information about the family possessions and wealth to their frends - some of whom were the perpetrators, and others simply passed the details along to the local criminal element in return for drugs or cash...or simply in an attempt to fit in with the "cool" crowd.

So the big question is how did Komisarjevsky find out about and choose to target this family in particular?

32 posted on 07/25/2007 5:32:48 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: ontap

No. Once they have been CONCLUSIVELY BEEN PROVEN — via DNA and all the rest — to be such, THEY SHOULD BE EXECUTED!

THIS tax slave is weary beyond words of supporting these animals at over $30K a year.

Cheaper to send them to Harvard so the liberal profs can deal with them.


33 posted on 07/25/2007 5:34:05 AM PDT by Dick Bachert ("The urge to save humanity is often a false front for the urge to rule." Mencken)
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To: BlueSky194

I don’t have the words.


34 posted on 07/25/2007 5:34:38 AM PDT by Tolkien (There are things more important than Peace. Freedom being one of those.)
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To: BlueSky194
Everyone email The Connecticut Network to Abolish the Death Penalty. http://www.nodp.org/cnadp/

We should also suggest that they put "Gun Free Zone" stickers on their houses.

I suggested that to my anti-gun sister. She didn't have anything to say.

35 posted on 07/25/2007 5:35:23 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Dick Bachert

I was refering to their being paroled. Take away parole and keep their sorry asses in jail and you don’t have three dead bodies. The death penalty now is ideal put it comes a little late for those three people.


36 posted on 07/25/2007 5:38:51 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: BlueSky194

I’ll bet CT has strick anti-firearms laws — for honest citizens.

If ANINMALS like these two only knew how much trouble they’d be in for violating THOSE, they’d never have done this, right?

BTW, I don’t believe KENNESAW, GEORGIA has had a successful home invasion for over 3 decades.

You youngsters who have never heard the story, look it up.

WHY THE LIBS CAN’T ALLOW US TO HAVE GUNS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


37 posted on 07/25/2007 5:40:32 AM PDT by Dick Bachert ("The urge to save humanity is often a false front for the urge to rule." Mencken)
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To: BlueSky194
I read the charges and didn’t see where they were charged with murder. Did I miss that?
38 posted on 07/25/2007 5:41:37 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: BlueSky194
They exemplified the best in public service," Milone said. "Without their great work this could have been a far worse tragedy."

Not to take anything away from the police and firemen sho responded to the scene of this nightnare but how in the world could it have been worse? The CT justice system failed to protect society from these two rabid animals and let them live at taxpayer expense in half way houses and rehab centers while they plotted their crimes. Three innocent victims were brutally murdered and a father was beaten and subdued while his daughters were raped and then murdered. Just how in the hell could this be any worse?!?!

39 posted on 07/25/2007 5:44:23 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Dick Bachert

Duuhhh.
That’s STRICT!!
Sorry.


40 posted on 07/25/2007 5:44:36 AM PDT by Dick Bachert ("The urge to save humanity is often a false front for the urge to rule." Mencken)
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To: BlueSky194
How does Connecticut (that's where this happened, right?) stand on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms?

I don't get how anyone can read this and not want to get a pistol if s/he doesn't have one or practice more with it and resolve to keep it nearby all the time if s/he does.

41 posted on 07/25/2007 5:45:56 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: BlueSky194

I heard about this on a new cast yesterday. I was shocked—and I am not easily shocked. This reminds me of the “In Cold Blood” case (Truman Capote). The perps who did this deserve the death penalty ASAP—I don’t care how awful their childhoods were.

I feel so sorry for the Doctor. The guy works hard all his life to build a good life, succeeds, then loses it all in an instant. Truly tragic!


42 posted on 07/25/2007 5:47:05 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: BlueSky194

Let me get this straight, the wife had police alerted while at the bank as the criminal waited outside? Why didnt she scream loud and long after she got away from him? Why did she have time to withdraw money, and return home and the criminals do their foul deeds and the police never got to the scene until too late? How fast were they “racing?”


43 posted on 07/25/2007 5:56:11 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Rest of the Story, My bad that this didnt print with the first part.)
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To: Ditter

I don’t know if they have determined which one strangled the mother. Presumably he can get charged with capital murder but I suppose they will escape the death chamber because they’ll claim mental retardation or some other bull. I don’t know if deaths resulting from setting the house on fire can result in a first degree murder charge. In any case, if either should ever walk out of prison again, even if it is decades from now, an angry mob had better be there. I am hoping by that time I will be long gone.

That “tragedy could have been worse” crime is puzzling unless the town manager meant the scumbags might have escaped. Too bad the cops didn’t just shoot them on sight. It also could have been worse if they had done this to someone else.

I had thought few other “home invasion” cases could be worse than the Wichita 2000 incident but in some ways this was much worse, with sexual assaults on a child, and an ordeal that lasted twice as long. We’ll see if any ‘reform’ to the justice or parole systems come from this but I won’t hold my breath.


44 posted on 07/25/2007 5:59:26 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Please don’t tell me you are even hinting that victims brought this on themselves!

“most” predators who RAPE AND MURDER catch sight of their innocent victims going about their daily business, follow them home, then watch the family routine - and plan.

ala, Ted Bundy, Shannon Groene family massacre, Polly Klaus kidnap murder and others


45 posted on 07/25/2007 5:59:43 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
Why didnt she scream loud and long after she got away from him? Why did she have time to withdraw money, and return home ....

Simple to figure out if you are a mother. Her daughters were in the home and still alive, probably with the other suspect who didn't drive her to the bank. I just don't know any mother who would have escaped at the bank and left her children within a cell phone call of being murdered.
46 posted on 07/25/2007 6:03:42 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: ontap
Career criminals should spend the rest of their lives in prison be executed.

There, fixed.

47 posted on 07/25/2007 6:03:55 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: unixfox

I have no problem with that but it’s a pipe dream, hell we don’t even execute most convicted murderers. My post is about keeping them in prison for life, something we have a reasonable chance to do.


48 posted on 07/25/2007 6:07:51 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: silverleaf
Please don’t tell me you are even hinting that victims brought this on themselves!

No, I'm saying there was likely some kind of inside connection - i.e., one of the family members was acquainted with these guys before the crime. Even if it was something like hiring them to rake leaves last fall.

49 posted on 07/25/2007 6:10:50 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: No Truce With Kings
The Castle Doctrine: Don’t make a home in a state without it.

Granted. A man's home should be his castle, but it shouldn't have to be his fortress.

50 posted on 07/25/2007 6:11:39 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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