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Like it or not, Hilary will be the next President (VANITY)
SELF | JULY 27, 2007 | SELF

Posted on 07/27/2007 8:37:05 PM PDT by Edward Watson

I know I'm going to be flamed and elections are still a year and a half away but the momentum seems to be favoring Hilary as the next POTUS. The sooner Republicans and conservatives accept the fact President Bush and the congressional Republicans have so enraged their base and independents that the Democratic Party will gain even stronger control over the congress and will take back the White House in the 2008 elections.

What is to blame for the collapse of the Republican dominance over the US? Corruption, arrogant refusal to heed the wishes of the public (especially on immigration and border security), and Iraq.

Right or wrong, most Americans blame Republicans and Bush for all the problems the US faces. They may not like the cowardly Democrats in congress, but they are viewed as the lesser of two evils.

I simply do not believe the Republican base will work to bring out the conservative vote in the next election - they are tired of being ignored, ridiculed, and abused by the Republican elite in Washington.

President Bush is not the man they thought he was. He calls them racists and not wanting what is best for America just because they oppose giving amnesty to 12-20 million illegal immigrants. He doesn't lift a finger to help the jailed border guards. He let Scooter Libby dangle in the wind for so long despite how obvious it was he should never have been charged in the first place. He didn't change the liberal and leftist bureaucrats and attorneys when he came into power. He opposes racial profiling or protecting the border. He repeatedly calls Islam "the religion of peace" despite the fact Muslims have committed more than 9000 terror acts in the name of their religion since 9-11. He dragged his feet in weaning America off foreign oil. He's presided over a shrinking Navy that can no longer fight two simultaneous wars.

Sure, he's done some good, but it can't be denied at how bitter most conservatives are at the Republicans and how they feel betrayed by President Bush.

So, despite personally liking Romney, I think it's inevitable Hilary will become the next president. May she do better than the Great Betrayer.


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1 posted on 07/27/2007 8:37:08 PM PDT by Edward Watson
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To: Edward Watson

Elementary my dear Watson.


2 posted on 07/27/2007 8:38:19 PM PDT by RushCrush (Rush bot. Just waiting for instructions.)
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To: Edward Watson

IBTZ?


3 posted on 07/27/2007 8:39:05 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Edward Watson

I hope not, and will work like hell to stop her. If she wins, this is my plan: http://www.livinginthephilippines.com


4 posted on 07/27/2007 8:39:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: Edward Watson

There is no question that the GOP screwed up bigtime.

Of course, Hillary will screw up worse.


5 posted on 07/27/2007 8:39:34 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Edward Watson

https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/pledge


6 posted on 07/27/2007 8:40:21 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Edward Watson

You forget that Hillary has HUGE negatives. Even among women.


7 posted on 07/27/2007 8:40:34 PM PDT by nralife
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Have you ever eaten Philippino food? yikes


8 posted on 07/27/2007 8:41:15 PM PDT by RushCrush (Rush bot. Just waiting for instructions.)
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To: Edward Watson

You’re probably correct about Hillary.


9 posted on 07/27/2007 8:41:33 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Step 1: Grind up baby. Step 2: smear on stretch marks. Step 3: two problems solved! Be happy!)
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To: Edward Watson

today’s usa today listed a dozen pubbies who are either under investigation or in jail,

and two democraps.

and, the lame pubbies can’t even get jefferson out of the congress.


10 posted on 07/27/2007 8:42:16 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: Edward Watson

Didn’t bother reading. Just shut up.


11 posted on 07/27/2007 8:42:29 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Edward Watson

Just say no to the Hillarycare.


12 posted on 07/27/2007 8:44:13 PM PDT by linn37 (Phlebotomists need love too.)
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To: RushCrush

I was stationed in Korea, not the Philippines, but will you look at the prices?! Even in Cebu (the second largest city) one can live like a King or Queen on $1000-1500 a month, including rent, food, servants (maid, driver, gardener) etc.. In smaller cities and towns it costs even less...


13 posted on 07/27/2007 8:46:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: Edward Watson

I truly cannot believe that the average male voter (even if he is a registered democrat) will vote for the shrieking Hilary and condemn themselves to 4 years of menopausal feminism.

I just cannot bring myself to view men so low. Surely they will act out of basic self preservation and vote for anyone but her.


14 posted on 07/27/2007 8:46:25 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("I know the fittest have not survived when I watch Congress on CSPAN.")
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To: Edward Watson

I don’t fully agree with you, but I do think we need to look at things soberly and not whistle into the wind like many were doing before the ‘06 congressional elections.


15 posted on 07/27/2007 8:46:33 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: MichiganConservative

Nonsense. This attitude us what is killing this country. Dooesn’t anyone rememebr how to fight anymore? Attack, attack, never give in to these people. What wins elections is the passion of the populace. We will have that passion, and we will ruin these bastards.


16 posted on 07/27/2007 8:47:06 PM PDT by brigadoon
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To: Edward Watson
The sooner Republicans and conservatives accept the fact President Bush and the congressional Republicans have so enraged their base and independents that the Democratic Party will gain even stronger control over the congress and will take back the White House in the 2008 elections.

What? This is not a complete sentence.... What did you mean to say?

17 posted on 07/27/2007 8:47:09 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: Edward Watson
Like it or not, Hilary will be the next President
What will the stock market do on:
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Tuesday_____________
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of next week?
18 posted on 07/27/2007 8:48:52 PM PDT by lewislynn ( The Fairtax...It's a book, not a bible.)
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To: Edward Watson

I don’t see her getting enough people to vote for her.


19 posted on 07/27/2007 8:49:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: brigadoon
What wins elections is the passion of the populace.

As far as I can tell, the vast majority of the populace has a passion for getting something from "the rich" by way of wealth redistribution schemes and a passion for otherwise being a slave on master government's plantation.

20 posted on 07/27/2007 8:51:30 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Step 1: Grind up baby. Step 2: smear on stretch marks. Step 3: two problems solved! Be happy!)
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To: Edward Watson
I disagree with the Hillary assessment. I think Fred Thompson will slaughter her. Because we will still be in Iraq, Hillary will not be elected.

I do agree with you, however, on the House and Senate. The big government big spending neocons have done us in there. We are going back into divided government mode.
21 posted on 07/27/2007 8:53:00 PM PDT by microgood
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Okay I hear you on the prices. But man, I hate their food. And I am no food snob- I’ve eaten some crazy stuff in some crazy places.


22 posted on 07/27/2007 8:53:34 PM PDT by RushCrush (Rush bot. Just waiting for instructions.)
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To: brigadoon
Nonsense. This attitude us what is killing this country. Dooesn’t anyone rememebr how to fight anymore? Attack, attack, never give in to these people. What wins elections is the passion of the populace. We will have that passion, and we will ruin these bastards.

You are SO RIGHT! This is the #1 problem since the beginning of the Bush Administration. Republicans have no backbone! It's embarassing and pathetic especially considering that the majority of Americans espouse conservative family values.

It's been a foolish, foolish waste of power.

23 posted on 07/27/2007 8:55:45 PM PDT by RushCrush (Rush bot. Just waiting for instructions.)
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To: Edward Watson

I believe she will be “elected” also. This is why I have been asking my congressmen to start the impeachment process against her now while there still are a few “Republicans” in Congress. LOL!


24 posted on 07/27/2007 8:58:40 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You know you are a great American when a Kennedy calls you a traitor.)
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To: Edward Watson
I am not that much of a defeatist, sorry. She has a good chance but many negatives.

Bush has disappointed me in many ways, enraged, no. I looked up some things he has done right and found a long list on an old post on this very forum. How soon we forget.

He has never repaid in kind the crap thrown at him ceaselessly by sore loser Democrats. How could anybody achieve much of anything short of hanging on with what he has been beseiged with?

So the war isn't going well. I didn't want it in the first place, but is it possible it might be going a little better if he had some support from the other side?

I didn't expect him to do everything I wanted. I will still defend what he has done that I think was right and will say a few things I wish he had done differently now and then.

We still have our right to criticize some of his policies without fear of reprisal. How long will we have that?

25 posted on 07/27/2007 9:09:38 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: MichiganConservative

This has never proven true in this country, and will not as long as people clearly and passionately oppose this agenda. The Dems are playing their hand too strong and too soon, empowered by the 06 election. But they are not as strong as they believe, and they have let slip their mask. The reach and influence of big media wanes every day. By next fall it will not be enough to influence the electorate. This is their last gasp, and there are some among them who know this, and are shooting all their guns. A charismatic Republican candidate will defeat them in a landslide.


26 posted on 07/27/2007 9:10:37 PM PDT by brigadoon
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To: brigadoon

Sorry, man, but FDR’s 4 victories show that the American Sheeple will accept socialism if they are just told that the socialism is good for them.

This country is in decline. Americans want socialism. They want the government to take care of them and give them what they “need”, such as “health care”. Freedom and liberty scare Americans.


27 posted on 07/27/2007 9:23:07 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Step 1: Grind up baby. Step 2: smear on stretch marks. Step 3: two problems solved! Be happy!)
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To: Edward Watson; All
I know I’m going to be flamed . . .

Even some bozo posing as a prophet will get one right.

28 posted on 07/27/2007 9:32:16 PM PDT by dighton
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To: brigadoon

“A charismatic Republican candidate will defeat them in a landslide.”

Well let’s check the stable; Oh no Ronnie’s gone!


29 posted on 07/27/2007 10:17:02 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (In the Rise and Fall of United States I hope the Fall part is more than one chapter.)
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To: Edward Watson

Sorry, but I am expecting the Osama guy from Chicago, Illinois to get the presidency...


30 posted on 07/27/2007 10:50:23 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Edward Watson

I disagree. Even reading the DUmp and Daily Kaos, there are Dems that don’t like her, and they claim they will not vote for her regardless (third party if they have to). I think the possibility if a Clintoon for POTUS would rally the entire base from the Christian Right to the moderates, unless the nom is Guiliani. Then I can’t see myself supporting him.


31 posted on 07/28/2007 1:56:41 AM PDT by Pinkbell (I'm a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order. - Mike Pence)
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To: Edward Watson

You’re right .. Bush sucks so I’m going to vote for Hellary


32 posted on 07/28/2007 1:58:45 AM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Edward Watson
I’m so sick and tired of cowering losers like you thinking that it is inevitable that The Witch will win.

SHE WILL NOT!

I have never, ever feared her. She will set the all-time, never-to-be-broken record for negative turnout in a presidential election. Take that to the bank!

33 posted on 07/28/2007 2:57:57 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Edward Watson

“May she do better than the Great Betrayer.”

Was that you hanging out with cindy sheehan, calling for the President’s impeachment?
Go back to DU. Sheesh.


34 posted on 07/28/2007 3:25:43 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: Edward Watson

Like it or not, pigs can fly.

Bunk.


35 posted on 07/28/2007 3:28:46 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Edward Watson

With that kind of an attitude why don’t you just join the Democrat party and Hillary campaign and be done with it.

Hillary will not win. I still think she may lose the Dem. nomination. Look at how desperate she was last week in attacking her rival. A true frontrunner doesn’t do that. Also that “Bill Hill” show they put in Iowa a few weeks ago flopped big time. She has dropped 6 points in the Iowa polls since then. The more people see of her, the less they like her.

If Obama or Edwards doesn’t take her out in the primaries, I believe that Romney, Thompson or Guiliani will take her out in the general. The only possible way, she could win is in a three-way race with a Perot like third party and I don’t see that on the horizon.


36 posted on 07/28/2007 3:37:34 AM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (I want President Bush to run for a third term!)
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To: Edward Watson

I hope you are wrong but I fear you might be right. Many Republicans and Independents have come to hate Bush and may sit out the election.


37 posted on 07/28/2007 3:47:33 AM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: microgood

Hillary has yet to square her initial support for the war with her leftwing base. She’s papered-over with the “if I had only known” line, but that isn’t going to wash.

The Democrats have a history of a food-fight for the nomination. That may not be the case with the compressed primary season — Hillary might swamp all comers with a well-financed, full-court press. But then the Dems are left with a nominee who doesn’t reflect their anti-war values. Weird. ‘Course the Media will do their level best to ignore the obvious.


38 posted on 07/28/2007 7:12:00 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Edward Watson

“Right or wrong, most Americans blame Republicans and Bush for all the problems the US faces.”
I blame Roe v Wade and a just God.


39 posted on 07/28/2007 7:42:38 AM PDT by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: Edward Watson

Hide and watch....44th President of the United States will be RUDY G.


40 posted on 07/28/2007 7:45:24 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Edward Watson
>Hilary will be the next President

You've got to admit
making cleavage an issue
is genius at work!!

41 posted on 07/28/2007 7:49:01 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: aberaussie

Lol! I just caught that! - I’m mortified.

What I meant to say was, “The sooner Republicans and conservatives accept the fact President Bush and the congressional Republicans have so enraged their base and independents that the Democratic Party will gain even stronger control over the congress and will take back the White House in the 2008 elections; the sooner they will be able to lay the groundwork for a Republican Renaissance in 2010 and 2012, much like Gingrich and Co did in 1994.”

Sorry to all ...


42 posted on 07/28/2007 8:32:36 AM PDT by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: shield

He has less chance than I do of winning.


43 posted on 07/28/2007 8:34:32 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: pogo101; Edward Watson

oh, and IBTZ


44 posted on 07/28/2007 8:35:27 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: dighton; devolve; potlatch; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; gonzo

45 posted on 07/28/2007 8:40:45 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: RushCrush

I actually like many Filipino foods and try to eat it at least once a week. For example, tinolang manok (Chicken soup with melon), tinolang baka (beef soup with ginger and cabbage), pinakbit (vegetable stew with pork and NO bittermelon), monggo (mung bean soup with creamery squash), tocino (panfried sweetened pork), longganisa (sweet & spicy sausages), pancit (panfried noodles with vegetables and meats and shrimp), ginataang alimango (crab in coconut milk), lechon (roasted pig on a spit).

I can think of at least a dozen more that are delicious and I don’t know of anyone who has ever not loved the food when we had it for parties.


46 posted on 07/28/2007 8:40:54 AM PDT by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: darkangel82
He'll be the republican nominee and will be hildabeast.

Hey, I'm a Duncan Hunter supporter. However, whoever gets the republican nominee is who I'll vote for and it'll be Rudy.

47 posted on 07/28/2007 8:50:31 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. *rolls eyes*


48 posted on 07/28/2007 9:08:08 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As a Caucasian who has lived in the Philippines for nearly 14 years, I must caution you from thinking the country is ideal for your needs.

Sure money will go a lot further than in the States, but that’s only for basic necessities - if you want good quality items or imported goods - prepare for sticker shocks. As a non-Filipino, you will not be allowed to own land, only apartments and condos that are elevated above the ground (stupid law, I know) unless you have a Filipina wife who can then have the property in her name. Sure you can have a maid to cook, wash, and clean for around 150 a month. Sure, the beaches are fantastic - I got married on the beach in Boracay - astonishingly gorgeous. Sure Filipinos are very friendly. If you marry a Filipina, chances are you’re going to be supporting her whole family (not the case with me - I told her right at the beginning it’s not going to happen).

However, all the benefits must be weighed against the very real problems of the country. Corruption is unbelievable - just about every level of government will need bribes to get anything done. Traffic, especially in Metro Manila is horrible and driving habits are disgusting. Pollution and filth are everywhere in the cities and Filipinos in general simply don’t respect the environment and the importance of biodiversity - garbage is thrown everywhere, sewers are clogged with it (which results in floods even in mild downpours), any wild animal is fair game for hunting.

Can you handle seeing appalling poverty? It’s everywhere over there. Children and pregnant women begging. Abandoned wives and evicted stepchildren forced into prostitution.

Heaven forbid you get sick over there - you’ll need to pay for emergency visits up front and only a handful of hospitals are up to Western Standards (Asian Hospital in Muntinglupa is excellent and is the best imo - just letting you know).

Diseases on a scale unseen in the West are chronic. The education system is overcrowded like you’re not going to believe (65+ students in elementary classes as young as first grade - and sometimes two shifts - one group in the am and another in the pm).

Oh, I guarantee people will be borrowing money from you all the time - I hope you do give them money - but just be aware you’re giving them money, not lending it to them.

As I said, I speak from experience - I lived there for nearly 14 years, speak the language like a native, am part Filipino through my father’s side, am married to a Filipina and have five incredibly handsome half-Filipino sons.


49 posted on 07/28/2007 9:35:16 AM PDT by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: pogo101

Why should I deserve to be zotted? Am I wrong in saying Hilary will win re-election because conservatives are so bitter and angry at the elite Republicans and President Bush that they will not make the strenuous effort to re-elect Republicans in the next election?

Is this so idiotic that I need to be banned for even mentioning it? Are you happy with the congressional Republicans and President Bush that YOU will do everything in your power to re-elect Republicans in 2008? Then you are in the minority, not me.


50 posted on 07/28/2007 9:43:33 AM PDT by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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