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Study: Toilets Need Radical Redesign
Live Science ^ | 7/30/07 | Corry Binns

Posted on 07/30/2007 7:55:43 AM PDT by Millee

The Western World's dependence on flush toilets could be its environmental downfall.

Toilets that use less water, such as the "squat toilet" in which one squats over a hole in the ground, are prevalent in parts of Asia, Europe and Africa, but a new historical study suggests that after decades of flushing, it will take radical innovations for the mainstream West to adopt any new system.

"Most people can hardly imagine that other ways of handling human waste have ever existed," said study author Maj-Britt Quitzau, an environmental sociologist with the National Environmental Research Institute of Denmark. "But actually, systems did exist prior to the flushing toilet where human waste was collected within the cities and re-used in farming areas."

Since the 1900s, scientists have known that flushing away human waste comes with environmental consequences , such as using precious, potable water. Each year, a typical person will use almost 4,000 gallons of drinking water to flush away 75 pounds of feces and 130 gallons of urine, according to a 2001 study by the Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: environment; naturalresources; plumbing; water; westerncivilization
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Why Western Civilization is better, # 954,014: we don't have to squat over a hole in the ground to go to the bathroom.
1 posted on 07/30/2007 7:55:44 AM PDT by Millee
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To: Millee

Damn Lo-Flo toilets are bad enough. Where one flush used to do the job, now it takes 3 or 4 flushes.


2 posted on 07/30/2007 7:57:01 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: dfwgator

Agreed!!! HATE our “water saving” toilets!!


3 posted on 07/30/2007 7:58:30 AM PDT by Millee (Tagline free since 10/20/06)
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To: Millee
"But actually, systems did exist prior to the flushing toilet where human waste was collected within the cities and re-used in farming areas."

Never mind that the life expectancy back then was about 42 years...

4 posted on 07/30/2007 7:58:46 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: Millee
"But actually, systems did exist prior to the flushing toilet where human waste was collected within the cities and re-used in farming areas."

 

Jobs Americans don't want to do.

5 posted on 07/30/2007 7:59:46 AM PDT by Fintan (Feiny hates me. Dasher hates me. Where's the beer???)
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To: Millee

Do the French still dump raw sewage in the Sine?


6 posted on 07/30/2007 7:59:56 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is America's George Galloway?)
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To: Millee

Toilets need a radical redesign!?

Man, this is one issue I simply do not give a sh*t about!


7 posted on 07/30/2007 8:00:05 AM PDT by DangerDanger
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To: Millee

What the hell is an environmental socialist?


8 posted on 07/30/2007 8:02:56 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Cvengr

Pardon me, What the hell is an environmental sociologist?


9 posted on 07/30/2007 8:03:52 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Millee
systems did exist prior to the flushing toilet where human waste was collected within the cities and re-used in farming areas

Spreading human waste on cropland was outlawed around 1970, at least in Illinois.

10 posted on 07/30/2007 8:05:23 AM PDT by woofer (Some strive to soar like an eagle, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines.)
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To: Millee

Of course, the article doen’t mention the obvious: a dual plumbing system in each house/apartment.

Shower drains and bathroom sink drains that go into a tank, to be routed to the toilet system when needed to flush.

This relatively clean “gray water” could easily give double service.


11 posted on 07/30/2007 8:12:24 AM PDT by aShepard (Oh little Mohammad, Couchy, Couchy Coo; your momma is so proud, you'll be the cutest suicide bomber)
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To: Millee

And WE are the ones accused of trying to turn the clock back!


12 posted on 07/30/2007 8:13:43 AM PDT by NRA1995 (To Congress and Mr. President: This is OUR country, and don't you forget it!)
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To: dfwgator

Buy a Toto (Japanese Made)!!! One Flush works every time with 1/2 the water as others.


13 posted on 07/30/2007 8:16:06 AM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Yes they do dump it in the "Sine" and it creates quite a wave.
A Sine wave curiously enough.
14 posted on 07/30/2007 8:17:03 AM PDT by Brainhose (My name is Manuel. I am from Barcelona.)
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To: Millee

15 posted on 07/30/2007 8:23:35 AM PDT by Brainhose (My name is Manuel. I am from Barcelona.)
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To: aShepard

Campers and motorhomes use gray water for that very purpose, and it is a huge water saver.


16 posted on 07/30/2007 8:23:46 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Eternal vigilance!)
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To: alwaysconservative

Gray water TANKS. When I type too fast, I omit key words, sheesh!


17 posted on 07/30/2007 8:28:46 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Eternal vigilance!)
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To: Millee
Toilets that use less water, such as the "squat toilet" in which one squats over a hole in the ground, are prevalent in parts of Asia, Europe and Africa, but a new historical study suggests that after decades of flushing, it will take radical innovations for the mainstream West to adopt any new system.

These people have such a dim view of humankind. We've embraced thousands, if not millions, of radical innovations in our history, why not now ? We love new stuff, it's human nature.

18 posted on 07/30/2007 8:29:07 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Millee

Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout.

19 posted on 07/30/2007 8:29:55 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: golfisnr1
I agree with you that Toto makes the highest quality toilets and urinals as well as flush valves on the market. Their styling is geared more toward modern trends in design where Kohler and American Standard have much wider design ranges.

If you interested in the most environmentally designed systems available, this might interest you, http://www.thenaturalhome.com/clivusmultrum.htm There is an entire office building designed around one of these systems in Maryland that was built about 15 years ago. The building used gray water technology and solar power to offset utility costs.

20 posted on 07/30/2007 8:39:57 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: martin_fierro

Celebrity endorsement by Rosie O'Donell.

21 posted on 07/30/2007 8:40:23 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (A man who will not defend himself does not deserve to be defended by others.)
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To: Millee

“Each year, a typical person will use almost 4,000 gallons of drinking water to flush...”

Of course there is no acknowledgement of the waste water treatment plants that treat and allow for re-use of the majority of the water we use. Envirotwits are nincompoops that need to be flushed! (Wow, imagine how many flushes that would take in our low flow toilets!)


22 posted on 07/30/2007 8:40:28 AM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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To: Millee

Just cut the toilet in half for these half ass environmentalists


23 posted on 07/30/2007 8:41:22 AM PDT by Horatio Gates (8/7/07 - It's salmon week on the Horatio Gates channel.)
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To: CSM
“Each year, a typical person will use almost 4,000 gallons of drinking water to flush...”

Conversely I shudder at the thought of the flushing water going to waste by drinking it...9>)

24 posted on 07/30/2007 8:43:38 AM PDT by Horatio Gates (8/7/07 - It's salmon week on the Horatio Gates channel.)
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To: dfwgator
Government and NGO Planners mandating changes rather than chnages driven by customer needs and the market don't work very well do they?

Our auto industry was pole-axed by just such mandates while emeging foriegn companies reaped the rewards.

We have government mandated low volumn toilets that don't work very well. If sewer costs were passed on by cost rather than politics, toilets would change to suit the consumer that could afford to pay for the improvement and the fisture would have been phased-in by a manner whereby it would work. Instead, it is just a government fix and now a government problem.

I propose a lot of desalination and new water sources. The resulting usage should calm the fears of AlGore as we can infringe on the sea level rise he is predicting.

25 posted on 07/30/2007 8:50:09 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Millee

How many Western men teach their sons to pee in the back yard?


26 posted on 07/30/2007 8:51:10 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Millee

Put a tank under your shower/tub to collect the water you use there, and pump that water into the toilet to flush. That is a sensible solution for those of us who choose not to squat, thank you. It really is stupid to flush with drinking water, though.


27 posted on 07/30/2007 8:51:48 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Millee

Yeah, frigin watermelons want us to go back to dieing from poor sanitation to save water. Idiots.


28 posted on 07/30/2007 8:51:51 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: martin_fierro

Bud: Excuse me, Dad, but a toilet is a toilet.

Al: (grimacing) Bud... the toilets today aren't worthy of the name! They come in designer colors... they're too low! When you flush them, they make this weak, almost apologetic sound. But not the Ferguson. It only comes in white. And when you flush it... BaaaWOOOSH! That's a man's flush, Bud. A Ferguson says, "I'm a toilet. Sit down and give me your best shot." Oh, if only a Ferguson could speak, the tales it would tell!

29 posted on 07/30/2007 8:54:58 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Cvengr
What the hell is an environmental socialist?

Not sure, but I looked it up in a dictionary and I found this picture:


30 posted on 07/30/2007 8:58:06 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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To: CSM
Of course there is no acknowledgement of the waste water treatment plants that treat and allow for re-use of the majority of the water we use

When it comes to water conservation, there are two ways of looking at it. From the Enviros perspective where once everything has been used there is no getting it back which is wrong when it comes to water, or the perspective of those who treat the water that is put in the water lines for your use and who also treat the sewage the enters the waste water treatment plants. Once water is treated for drinking, it's stupid to waste it without a thought in your head. Everything costs money and if wasting the tax payers' money is one of your favorite pastimes, you are no conservative. Putting excess loads on waste water treatment plants is also very stupid if it can be prevented. Water conservation starts and stops in everyones bank accounts. Most people don't live in a rural township in the Northern Midwest where you pay $15 a month and can have all the clean ground water pumped to your house that you will ever need.

31 posted on 07/30/2007 9:07:20 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Dixie Yooper

“Everything costs money and if wasting the tax payers’ money is one of your favorite pastimes, you are no conservative.”

Of course most large concentrations of our population, charge each household for their “use” of the water. Which is precisely why my grass is brown right now. I am a penny pinching miser, which makes me more of an environmentalist than most “environmentalists” that I personally know. Economics works just fine, so long as everyone has to fund their own way.....

Now, when we start to subsidize, well, then socialism takes over and destroys our environment, economy, land and general way of life!


32 posted on 07/30/2007 9:24:13 AM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Ah, remembrance of snowbank calligraphy.
33 posted on 07/30/2007 9:30:16 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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One conservation idea may include not flushing during the night - just flush after going first thing in the morning (keep a room freshner going and the lid shut during the night)...


34 posted on 07/30/2007 9:33:56 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: Millee
We reached the pinnacle of toilet innovation when soft foam toilet seats came on the scene.

Once that happened all of the toilet inventors threw up their hands in disgust. I mean, really, what else is there?

35 posted on 07/30/2007 9:34:55 AM PDT by Jaysun (Certified thread hijacker since 7-7-07 (by restornu and blu))
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To: CSM
Which is precisely why my grass is brown right now. I am a penny pinching miser, which makes me more of an environmentalist than most “environmentalists” that I personally know

If you really are a penny pinching miser, why are you here slamming technology that could actually save you money, or at least keep you from spending much much more?

36 posted on 07/30/2007 9:47:16 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Millee

Here’s how we can distract all these environazis: Tell them that they need to come up with a system that recycles greenhouse gas discharges from the moon.

Lunar Flash Mystery Solved: Moon Just Passing Gas
Yahoo (Space.com) ^ | Mon Jul 30, 6:15 AM ET | David Powell
Posted on 07/30/2007 7:48:55 AM PDT by The_Victor

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1873635/posts


37 posted on 07/30/2007 9:52:50 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Brainhose

Dude, post #15 - I laughed so hard one of the neighbors in the apt next to me asked me if everything was OK.


38 posted on 07/30/2007 9:58:23 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Millee
We all need personal, aeromatic DUNGeons under our homes.


39 posted on 07/30/2007 10:01:35 AM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones to play by the rules.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

I know all about that “squatting” technology used in other parts of the world and I have no desire to have that become an American way of life. I don’t consider it to be a move forward that would improve our quality of life. Instead, it is the typical move backward that “environmentalists” support.

Are you actually advocating squatting over a hole in the ground? Aim much?


40 posted on 07/30/2007 10:18:40 AM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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Are you actually advocating squatting over a hole in the ground?

The article, if you read much of it was about other options than the traditional toilet. Although squatting over a hole was one of the options, I prefer other possibilities such as composting waste systems, http://www.clivusmultrum.com/index.htm . Unlike some who refuse to budge when warned about things to come until it's too late and they find themselves being forced to do things that are just plain unacceptable, I intend to be in a position where I can make as much money off of the rest of you as possible. Did I mention that I'm a plumbing engineer?

41 posted on 07/30/2007 10:45:25 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: woofer

“Spreading human waste on cropland was outlawed around 1970, at least in Illinois.”

Now they just shovel it out of City hall in Chicago and Gov. Blago drives it down to Springfield.


42 posted on 07/30/2007 10:59:35 AM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: princess leah

That’s the “if it’s yellow, let it mellow; if it’s brown, flush it down” method.


43 posted on 07/30/2007 11:12:25 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Looks like the solution on that site is not a viable option for my home as the basement is not big enough for the composter and my yard doesn’t have enough space for their other products. Maybe that is a fine company to support public and commercial needs, but not yet private.


44 posted on 07/30/2007 11:25:01 AM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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To: Millee

We used some interesting toilets in Canada. On out fly in fishing trips the cabins have all changed from out houses to indoor compost toilets. Looks like a regular toilet with no water. When you through you just drop in a scoop of compost. Other than a fresh compost smell there was nothing offencive. On the toilet was a sign saying “ If you take a poop, leave a scoop”. Now there is a little problem when swapping out the full container for an empty.


45 posted on 07/30/2007 11:26:59 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Cvengr

i think you were right the first time.


46 posted on 07/30/2007 11:36:32 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (Stop repeat offenders. Don't re-elect them!)
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To: CSM
You would need to build a new house around the system to get it to work properly. Other problems encountered have been the local water authority not wanting to hook up water without having a sewer connection. The system was invented in Sweden some years ago and is presently in use though out the country in private residences. The key to making money off of new technology is not in the forcing of people to use it, but to be ready once it is forced. Good luck with your grass, mine grew back from the last drought as soon as we got the first good rain. Now I’m back to cutting it once a week.
47 posted on 07/30/2007 11:37:37 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Millee

I’ll follow the lead of Al Gore Jr., Mikey Moore and Rosie on this one.


48 posted on 07/30/2007 11:37:54 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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To: Millee
Each year, a typical person will use almost 4,000 gallons of drinking water to flush away 75 pounds of feces and 130 gallons of urine, according to a 2001 study by the Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency.

Leave it to Swedes to conduct such a study.

49 posted on 07/30/2007 11:38:22 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson once set fire to a crowd of liberals simply by smoking a cigar and looking upon them)
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To: golfisnr1
Buy a Toto (Japanese Made)!!!

Actually, your TOTO commode was most likely built by TOTO USA, Inc. at its plant in Morrow, Georgia. I agree, though, they are extremely efficient.

50 posted on 07/30/2007 11:39:03 AM PDT by atlaw
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