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Study: Toilets Need Radical Redesign
Live Science ^ | 7/30/07 | Corry Binns

Posted on 07/30/2007 7:55:43 AM PDT by Millee

The Western World's dependence on flush toilets could be its environmental downfall.

Toilets that use less water, such as the "squat toilet" in which one squats over a hole in the ground, are prevalent in parts of Asia, Europe and Africa, but a new historical study suggests that after decades of flushing, it will take radical innovations for the mainstream West to adopt any new system.

"Most people can hardly imagine that other ways of handling human waste have ever existed," said study author Maj-Britt Quitzau, an environmental sociologist with the National Environmental Research Institute of Denmark. "But actually, systems did exist prior to the flushing toilet where human waste was collected within the cities and re-used in farming areas."

Since the 1900s, scientists have known that flushing away human waste comes with environmental consequences , such as using precious, potable water. Each year, a typical person will use almost 4,000 gallons of drinking water to flush away 75 pounds of feces and 130 gallons of urine, according to a 2001 study by the Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: environment; naturalresources; plumbing; water; westerncivilization
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To: CSM
Are you actually advocating squatting over a hole in the ground?

The article, if you read much of it was about other options than the traditional toilet. Although squatting over a hole was one of the options, I prefer other possibilities such as composting waste systems, http://www.clivusmultrum.com/index.htm . Unlike some who refuse to budge when warned about things to come until it's too late and they find themselves being forced to do things that are just plain unacceptable, I intend to be in a position where I can make as much money off of the rest of you as possible. Did I mention that I'm a plumbing engineer?

41 posted on 07/30/2007 10:45:25 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: woofer

“Spreading human waste on cropland was outlawed around 1970, at least in Illinois.”

Now they just shovel it out of City hall in Chicago and Gov. Blago drives it down to Springfield.


42 posted on 07/30/2007 10:59:35 AM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: princess leah

That’s the “if it’s yellow, let it mellow; if it’s brown, flush it down” method.


43 posted on 07/30/2007 11:12:25 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Looks like the solution on that site is not a viable option for my home as the basement is not big enough for the composter and my yard doesn’t have enough space for their other products. Maybe that is a fine company to support public and commercial needs, but not yet private.


44 posted on 07/30/2007 11:25:01 AM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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To: Millee

We used some interesting toilets in Canada. On out fly in fishing trips the cabins have all changed from out houses to indoor compost toilets. Looks like a regular toilet with no water. When you through you just drop in a scoop of compost. Other than a fresh compost smell there was nothing offencive. On the toilet was a sign saying “ If you take a poop, leave a scoop”. Now there is a little problem when swapping out the full container for an empty.


45 posted on 07/30/2007 11:26:59 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Cvengr

i think you were right the first time.


46 posted on 07/30/2007 11:36:32 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (Stop repeat offenders. Don't re-elect them!)
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To: CSM
You would need to build a new house around the system to get it to work properly. Other problems encountered have been the local water authority not wanting to hook up water without having a sewer connection. The system was invented in Sweden some years ago and is presently in use though out the country in private residences. The key to making money off of new technology is not in the forcing of people to use it, but to be ready once it is forced. Good luck with your grass, mine grew back from the last drought as soon as we got the first good rain. Now I’m back to cutting it once a week.
47 posted on 07/30/2007 11:37:37 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Millee

I’ll follow the lead of Al Gore Jr., Mikey Moore and Rosie on this one.


48 posted on 07/30/2007 11:37:54 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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To: Millee
Each year, a typical person will use almost 4,000 gallons of drinking water to flush away 75 pounds of feces and 130 gallons of urine, according to a 2001 study by the Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency.

Leave it to Swedes to conduct such a study.

49 posted on 07/30/2007 11:38:22 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson once set fire to a crowd of liberals simply by smoking a cigar and looking upon them)
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To: golfisnr1
Buy a Toto (Japanese Made)!!!

Actually, your TOTO commode was most likely built by TOTO USA, Inc. at its plant in Morrow, Georgia. I agree, though, they are extremely efficient.

50 posted on 07/30/2007 11:39:03 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: dfwgator

It’s kinda pointless to have those damned things when you have to flush them 5 times to work.


51 posted on 07/30/2007 11:39:17 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson once set fire to a crowd of liberals simply by smoking a cigar and looking upon them)
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To: dfwgator

If you only used 1 square of TP, the low flow would be enough.


52 posted on 07/30/2007 11:40:16 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (WARNING: Dangerous to pregnant women and small children. May burst into flames at any time.)
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To: CSM

they charge for use and removal of the water.
talk to your city about getting a second meter on your home solely for irrigation.


53 posted on 07/30/2007 11:43:49 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (Stop repeat offenders. Don't re-elect them!)
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To: Millee
It isn't the toilets that we use that are wasteful. It is the fact that all water provided to your home has to meet Federal drinking water standards even though almost all of it is flushed, run down the drain, or used to water your lawn. Very little of it is actually consumed yet all of it must be tested, treated, and handled properly all the way to your water meter. A water plant will treat millions of gallons a day to make the water meet drinking water standards, yet very little of that is actually used for drinking or cooking.

There's got to be a better way.

By the way, I know all of this because I just got involved with running a water company and just recently took and passed the Certified Water Distribution Operator examination.

54 posted on 07/30/2007 11:46:43 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Dixie Yooper

Then economically, I am better off staying in my house and paying the rates as they continue to increase. However, if better solutions present themselves, I will keep my eye on them.

Ah, I’m not worried one bit about my grass. As long as it is dormant, then I don’t have to mow it....Not only am I a miser, but I am lazy too!


55 posted on 07/30/2007 12:16:03 PM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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To: absolootezer0

“talk to your city about getting a second meter on your home solely for irrigation.”

No way! I like it when the grass is dormant. It means less manual labor and more time to relax. ;-)


56 posted on 07/30/2007 12:17:58 PM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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To: Millee
Oh gracious ... you will never appreciate western civilization until you've had to use one of these!


57 posted on 07/30/2007 12:29:34 PM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: CSM
Not only am I a miser, but I am lazy too!

Laziness is the true mother of invention!

58 posted on 07/30/2007 12:54:54 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Millee

i grew up on a farm without indoor plumbing until i was 10 years.

they can take their out house and shove it.


59 posted on 07/30/2007 12:57:18 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: Graycliff

I’ve read that the capacity of composting toilets is limited. I wonder how many you would need for year-round use by a family of six?

Mrs VS


60 posted on 07/30/2007 3:20:09 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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