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Pit bulls attack man's dog, one shot and killed
Gainsville Sun ^ | July 31. 2007 | ALICE WALLACE

Posted on 07/31/2007 8:56:43 PM PDT by monkeycard

A Gainesville man awoke to the sounds of a dog fight early Monday. When he walked outside, he found his dog locked in the jaws of a large pit bull.

"I'm sound asleep and my wife says there's a dog fight in the yard," said Fletcher Sutton, 58. "And within 90 seconds I find myself standing in the yard in my bathrobe with a knife in one hand, a gun in the other and a dog dead between my legs."

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Possibly a little too much information there.
1 posted on 07/31/2007 8:56:52 PM PDT by monkeycard
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To: monkeycard

DOP® Alert


2 posted on 07/31/2007 9:01:37 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: monkeycard

Sounds about right. Pit Bulls are VERY popular in North Central Florida. About the only way to keep your dog from eventually being ripped up by one is to make sure your dog IS one.


3 posted on 07/31/2007 9:05:41 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: TheBattman

Is that “dogs of peace” as in “religion of peace?”

Yeah, that sounds like pit bulls.


4 posted on 07/31/2007 9:06:34 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: monkeycard

Oh boy, here it comes, Vick this, Vick that...

Dogs are a direct reflection of the owners in most cases. Sure breeds have a lot to do with tendancies, but man, raising a dog is like raising a child, you get out of it what you put into it.


5 posted on 07/31/2007 9:07:11 PM PDT by Sax
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To: scrabblehack

Yep...


6 posted on 07/31/2007 9:07:12 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: monkeycard

Is this going to be another anti-pit thread. Of all folks, people who respect the rights of firearms, how can FReepers be so nanny-esc about Pit Bulls?


7 posted on 07/31/2007 9:09:20 PM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: monkeycard

He is an old man.... perhaps he should have a dead dog between the legs?


8 posted on 07/31/2007 9:12:30 PM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: monkeycard

Viagra?


9 posted on 07/31/2007 9:12:55 PM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: TheBattman
I don't buy the hype or hysteria pushed by the MSM or individuals with anecdotal evidence. The article even quoted one of the people as saying that the dog was a fighting dog with scars all over its face. These dogs were also running loose.

I'm actually planning on getting an American Pit Bull Terrier fairly soon. I like the way that they look as well as their breed characteristics.

Flame away.


10 posted on 07/31/2007 9:18:58 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't buy the hype or hysteria)
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To: monkeycard

Sometimes you have to shoot them :( Some of those dogs are just nuts.

There were a couple of them running loose here. My neighbor jogs regularly, and takes her dog with her. One of them confronted her a month or so ago, and she (little thing that she is), screamed at it, and it ran off. My adult son was walking our dog the other day, and those damn dogs charged at them. Dead pit bull. Our dog is a wolf hybrid/English Mastiff. He’s around 11 yrs old, and was on a leash. He’s always on a leash, or in a fenced yard, or in his Ft Knox dog yard.

I’m an animal lover, but for chrissakes, contain your animals!


11 posted on 07/31/2007 9:24:13 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If the families still ran Las Vegas, Harry Reid would be napping at the bottom of Hoover Dam)
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To: Porterville

“...how can FReepers be so nanny-esc about Pit Bulls?”

There’s nothing nanny-anything about us or anyone else who is in opposition to the breed. There are countless, endless news stories about murderous pit bulls who’ve attacked, maimed or outright killed other dogs, children, adults and every other manner of living thing imaginable.

In the current political lexicon ‘nanny’ refers to things dims want the government involved with that most of us feel we can or should handle by ourselves. Pit bulls hardly fit within those parameters.

Or are you saying you could ‘handle’ a raging, homicidal pit bull all by yourself?


12 posted on 07/31/2007 9:32:04 PM PDT by Rightfootforward
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To: Porterville
Of all folks, people who respect the rights of firearms, how can FReepers be so nanny-esc about Pit Bulls?

Firearms don't go off by themselves if you fail to rub behind their sights every day...

13 posted on 07/31/2007 9:33:51 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: SIDENET
I don't buy the hype or hysteria pushed by the MSM or individuals with anecdotal evidence.

So what do you "buy"...the testimony of the guy trying to sell you one?

14 posted on 07/31/2007 9:35:37 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
I once saw a pit bull with red, glowing eyes.

It chased down a pickup truck and ripped off the door with its powerful jaws. It then ate the occupants. Someone shot at it, but the bullets bounced off of its skin.

< /sarc>

15 posted on 07/31/2007 9:42:59 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't buy the hype or hysteria)
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To: SIDENET

No flames from me. That is an adorable looking puppy :)

I have some advice for you. Check the breeder out thoroughly, before getting a puppy. I turned someone in for selling inbred pits, and no one did a thing about it.

Such a puppy!


16 posted on 07/31/2007 9:43:06 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If the families still ran Las Vegas, Harry Reid would be napping at the bottom of Hoover Dam)
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To: Rightfootforward

Yes, like I can handle a 38’.... I don’t need no nanny you big baby.... you need someone to change your diapers too?


17 posted on 07/31/2007 9:44:09 PM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: Rightfootforward
Or are you saying you could ‘handle’ a raging, homicidal pit bull all by yourself?

Kids around here don't seem to have too many problems, but then when our kids are in the woods they are generally armed with at least a good pocket knife and more likely a firearm.

18 posted on 07/31/2007 9:45:05 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

Diaper change tambien? .... you need a nanny?.... I don’t... In fact... before I die... I’ll make law before I’m a bitch to it.


19 posted on 07/31/2007 9:45:31 PM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: SIDENET

Sorry. Sarcasm only works when you enjoy an easy familiarity with the subject matter...and not from arduous google searches, either.

Where I live, you might as well try being sarcastic about snow to an Inuit.


20 posted on 07/31/2007 9:51:15 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Thanks. I always thoroughly check out the breeder where I buy a dog. My wife and I just got a little female dobie. She’s such a sweet little pup.


21 posted on 07/31/2007 9:56:14 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't buy the hype or hysteria)
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To: papertyger

I’m pretty familiar with the breed (APBT), besides my internet research. That’s the main reason that I want one.


22 posted on 07/31/2007 9:58:55 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't buy the hype or hysteria)
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To: Porterville

Bwahahahahahahahha!

That’s okay schport....You see, I know the difference between us is I know what I’m talking about.

You might as well be pounding your chest about how badly your kid will get his a$$ beat if he doesn’t do what you tell him.


23 posted on 07/31/2007 9:59:51 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: SIDENET

Well do yourself a favor when you get one...remember what that breed characteristic page says about “obedience” and make provisions for it, or you just might find yourself in a lawsuit that will leave your children looking forward to a long and fruitful career with Jiffy Lube.


24 posted on 07/31/2007 10:04:49 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
All of my dogs receive obedience training and are well socialized.

They are also always under control.

I have zero patience for people who don't control their dogs.

25 posted on 07/31/2007 10:09:45 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't buy the hype or hysteria)
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To: Rightfootforward
Any dog can wound or kill. Let's see, we finally got my bf's dog back. He spent 5 yrs as a guard dog, hooked to a tow chain. We finally had a place to keep him, so we got him. Every time we visited him, he was without water and food. He is becoming socialized slowly. He's an old doggie, but damn, he can do some damage. He bit straight through my 19 yr old's knuckle, and his 12 yr old step brother had a "hold muh beer and watch this, moment". That earned him 13 stitches on his face. I just say hiya, and the dog nuzzles my hand, and then he flops his 200 lb self on my feet. Don't try and hug a dog around its neck. The only time I have ever been bit, was by a toy poodle. I was just minding my business, hanging Avon brochures on people's doors, and this fiendish horrid thing grabbed my ankle. I flicked it into the middle of the street. I was paying more attention to the shephard mix, than that crappy, nasty little beast. Personally, I would rather face off a pit or a German Shephard than a f*cking poodle! Yorkies come in a close second. My cats would eat them
26 posted on 07/31/2007 10:13:09 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If the families still ran Las Vegas, Harry Reid would be napping at the bottom of Hoover Dam)
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To: Porterville

How many times do we see stories about cocker spaniels ripping people to shreads? Pit bulls are a wierd breed and may not be compatable with a civilized society.


27 posted on 07/31/2007 10:21:36 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: SIDENET

FRiend, I understand your position and respect your commitment to obedience training.

I don’t have that kind of interest in training my dogs, so I only get them one at a time and get the kind that only grow to about 12 pounds.

That being said, the only dog that is truly “always under control” is one in a cage. Are you so sure you can train an unfamiliar breed so tight it will absolutely NEVER tangle with that pretty doberman you just got?

I hope so, because if they ever do tangle, even once, you’ll probably have to put her down.


28 posted on 07/31/2007 10:26:40 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: TheLion
Pit bulls are a wierd breed

and may not be compatable with a civilized society.

They seemed to be compatible for most of the 20th century. Helen Keller and Teddy Roovevelt both had pits. The most decorated war dog in history was a pit. Even Petey from Our Gang was a pit bull.

I am, however, willing to listen to any specific evidence you may present to back up each claim. I think that's pretty fair.

29 posted on 07/31/2007 10:30:43 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't buy the hype or hysteria)
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To: SIDENET

I know of no other breed that has weekly stories of ripping people or other dogs to death....that ought to be enough for any brain thinking individual.


30 posted on 07/31/2007 10:33:25 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: Porterville
Of all folks, people who respect the rights of firearms, how can FReepers be so nanny-esc about Pit Bulls?

Well, because, first of all, the Second Amendment does not say anything about pit bulls.

Original intent and all that.

Secondly, no matter how poorly you take care of your firarms, your firearms will never break out of your gun cabinet, run out the front door, jump the fence and kill your neighbor's dog or kid.

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE DO.

PIT BULLS KILL PEOPLE. ALL BY THEMSELVES.

31 posted on 07/31/2007 10:35:15 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: SIDENET

I’ll try and explain it another way. I Have never seen a story about a labador retriever or a cocker spaniel, ripping anyone up. I have however, read many stories about pitt bulls killing children, adults and other animals. Any thinking human should be able to put this puzzle together.


32 posted on 07/31/2007 10:39:30 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: papertyger

You bring up a very good point. Pit bulls absolutely require lots of socialization with other animals as well as sound training. Pit bulls can display a high degree of animal aggression (aggression towards other animals) and this needs to be understood by any perspective owner. They are definitely not the dog for everyone.


33 posted on 07/31/2007 10:45:30 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't buy the hype or hysteria)
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To: TheLion
I have however, read many stories about pitt bulls killing children, adults and other animals. Any thinking human should be able to put this puzzle together.

You are correct, but not in the way you think. Pit Bulls are different from other dogs. They are very big, tough, agressive, TERRIERS. That means they are working dogs. They need a job. They are not "pets." In my area, bulldogs rarely live "inside."

That being said, I personally know the owners of literally hundreds of these animals. Incidences such as you read about are vanishingly small, but these dogs are family "pets" in the same way horses are pets.

34 posted on 07/31/2007 11:02:31 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: TheLion

Labs? ROTFLOL! They are the sweetest puppies! Cocker Spaniels, I don’t know about...

I babysat a mixed pitbull. I ended up putting her in bed with me, mainly because of the potty training problem. She got up, I grabbed her by the collar and ran her out the back door. Then her owner got her back :(

That was a good dog. She was sweet, but boneheaded. She’d climb up on my lap, and snore. I miss her and her girl puppy. We tried to keep one of the inbred pups, and he went after my little girl’s leg. He also chewed up furniture belonging to my grandma. He was sold, along with the other inbred pups.

Imo, mistreating an animal is about 1/16th of an inch past mistreating a child. That includes not spaying or neutering your animal.


35 posted on 07/31/2007 11:05:04 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If the families still ran Las Vegas, Harry Reid would be napping at the bottom of Hoover Dam)
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To: TheLion
I understand what you're saying, and appreciate your reasonable tone.

I want to point out that the worst elements of our society don't keep Labs and Cockers for fighting and/or ridiculous status symbols of "toughness". Labs and cockers are also not subjected (by the same sort of people) to abuse, starvation, neglect, and flat out torture to make them vicious.

I'm not remotely denying news stories about them killing or maiming people. Given some of the irresponsible owners out there, I'm surprised that it's not worse.

I will point out however, that our media culture has it's "if it bleeds, it leads" mentality, and pit bulls are always a hot topic. Rightly or wrongly, they fit right into the "bogeyman" role and pit bull stories always make for good copy. Keep in mind that the same media that pushes sensational pit bull stories also pushes the hype of man-made global warming as pure, unassailable fact.

I didn't set out to be a pit bull defender on the forum. I just have a decent familiarity with the breed and have been researching them. What I've seen and read doesn't square with the negative image that is portrayed all too often.

Does all of this mean that I want to go out and find the next pit bull walking around my neighborhood and give it a great big kiss? Certainly not. I don't know anything about its breeding or upbringing. I just don't believe that the dog type is at fault. If breed-specific legislation bans pit bulls and similar dogs, I believe that the same thugs who currently have pit bulls will simply adapt and change to another powerful dog breed.

Thanks for your time.

36 posted on 07/31/2007 11:13:52 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't buy the hype or hysteria)
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To: SIDENET

Dobies get a bad rap. I have this unfortunate thing about every stray ending up following me. Many years ago, this poor Doberman followed me home when I picked up my oldest daughter from school. Judging by the conditions of his paws, he must have walked from Compton.

We tethered him, fed him, and wrapped his paws. The look of gratitude in his eyes was heartbreaking, and it broke my heart when ‘Jefe’ the landlord told us to get rid of him.

I don’t know, but he was nice to me and the kids. A good friend of ours just got a dobie from a rescue operation. He’s a sweetie pie as well :)


37 posted on 07/31/2007 11:19:26 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If the families still ran Las Vegas, Harry Reid would be napping at the bottom of Hoover Dam)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I was initially surprised at what big lap dogs dobies can be, despite reading it while researching the breed. Mine are both really sweet and gentle dogs. Truly a wonderful breed.


38 posted on 07/31/2007 11:27:24 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't buy the hype or hysteria)
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I just don't believe that the dog type is at fault.

Let me appeal to your reason...isn't that like saying you don't believe the type of vehicle is relevant to the severity of the accident?

39 posted on 07/31/2007 11:32:10 PM PDT by papertyger
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Well, if I understand your analogy correctly, I would say that it fails to account for irresponsible ownership of the dogs.

Pit bulls have existed in the US for a long time, but only relatively recently have they risen to prominence as "killing machines". Before pit bulls, Dobermans received a lot of press as killers. Before that, German Shepherds were demonized. In the case of the German Shepherd, the dog's own massive popularity may have been to blame because of the resulting overbreeding and ownership by people who had no business owning dogs.

"Pit bull" isn't a breed, but a dog type encompassing the American Pit Bull Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier, and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. "Pit bull" as a type also includes mixed-breed dogs which have pit bull characteristics. Pit bulls are still one of the most popular dog types in America. If they are truly the "killing machines" which can "snap" at any time, I would expect the number of maulings to be far greater than what we currently see in this country.

40 posted on 07/31/2007 11:48:38 PM PDT by SIDENET (I don't buy the hype or hysteria)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

We have had only Dobermans during our marriage; in our opinion, they are the BEST dogs in terms of personality, sweetness, and kindness to kids and other animals. But you’re right, they get a bad rap, since they were the “mean, vicious” dogs before pit bulls inherited the title. But our dogs have never been abused; they have only been raised with love.

I really haven’t made up my mind about “pit bulls” yet. We regularly dogsit for a very large (non pit bull) dog who is a perfect gentlemen when with us, but when left to his own devices and running loose at home, has a tendency to kill cats, squirrels, and rabbits, rather indiscriminately. He’s an absolutely wonderful dog, but do I trust him absolutely, even when under our constant supervision? Not really. He is very good about following “our” rules, but he has the strength and cunning to go his own way if the irresistable temptation presented itself. With the strength, aggression, and tenacity of pit bulls, you have to be a MUCH more vigilant owner who knows how to control your dog.

Just my .02 worth, anyway.


41 posted on 08/01/2007 5:17:54 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Your life may be the only Bible someone else reads.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

“”””I’m an animal lover, but for chrissakes, contain your animals!””””””

That is part of being an animal lover. I contain my dogs at all times BECAUSE to love my dogs. I don’t want the to run into the street, or invade someone’s property and possibly get shot. That why I contain them. I have no use for pitbulls. I see one in my yard, its dead, period.


42 posted on 08/01/2007 7:51:29 AM PDT by shbox
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To: SIDENET
I hope you don’t live in a neighborhood like mine. I live in a close-knit residential neighborhood where people walk in the evenings and all the kids play with one another outside. One house in my neighborhood has pitbulls in their yard.
That house is avoided by everyone in the neighborhood. The kids are not allowed to even walk down that cal-de-sac. Everyone talks about that house and the fear of those dogs. We have a nice, quiet neighborhood where people leave their doors unlocked. But I, like everyone else, have a 9mm handy, just for those dogs.
It just creates tension and uneasiness for the neighbors around you. Maybe you have no neighbors, I don’t know. I am just telling you how they impact my neighborhood.
43 posted on 08/01/2007 8:02:13 AM PDT by shbox
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To: SIDENET

The analogy didn’t fail. You simply refuse to accept it’s applicability and so are caviling.

And save your pedantry. “Pit Bull” or “Bulldog” is a local colloquialism for the type of dog under discussion.

Good Luck.


44 posted on 08/01/2007 11:23:07 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
And save your pedantry.

There's no need to be unpleasant, FRiend. I thought we were having a fairly pleasant discussion, especially for a pit bull thread.

45 posted on 08/01/2007 12:20:59 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: shbox
I hope you don’t live in a neighborhood like mine. I live in a close-knit residential neighborhood where people walk in the evenings and all the kids play with one another outside.

I'm a law-abiding career military officer and so is my wife. I maintain my yard and house and am always respectful towards my neighbors. My trained and socialized dogs are house dogs which only appear outside when either in my fenced backyard (with me present), or on a leash.

Why would you hope that I not live in a neighborhood like yours? I grew up in such a neighborhood and my parents (a retired law enforcement officer and a retired teacher) still live there. I've never been viewed as some sort of menace.

I am sorry about the house that you mentioned. Are the dogs loose or behind a small fence that they can jump? Do the dogs behave in a vicious manner? If so, then that's not a good situation at all. Some people simply shouldn't own dogs.

46 posted on 08/01/2007 12:57:20 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: SIDENET

I am not refering that you are a menace because you have a pitbull. never would I do that.
I was simply pointing out the reaction of people around you might be the same as the people in my neighborhood. I am sure there are some that have a predetermined prejudice against pitbulls.
I was telling you that those things take place in my neighborhood. I don’t want my kids to play at that end of the street.
On the flip side of that arguement. My grandmother lives by herself. I wish she had a pitbull in her yard...or any dog for that matter, just to make some noise should anyone come around.


47 posted on 08/01/2007 1:16:37 PM PDT by shbox
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To: monkeycard

Mike Vick, aka Ron Mexico is deeply saddened.


48 posted on 08/01/2007 1:20:35 PM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: shbox
I am sure there are some that have a predetermined prejudice against pitbulls.

You are absolutely correct. I know that I used to.

That is why it behooves responsible owners to go the extra mile to first make sure that their dog is well socialized, and then to ensure good public relations in their neighborhoods. It's all part of being a good and responsible neighbor.

49 posted on 08/01/2007 1:28:45 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Porterville
That’s a valid question. My reason is not the dog itself, it’s who’s holding the leash. Too many times, punks and losers get a pitbull as a show of manhood (why can’t they just get YET ANOTHER gold chain or tattoo?) and way too many times the dog has zero training. That’s what happened, once again, in this news article. It’s the randomness of these attacks that freak people out. Just my .02 cents.

p.s. I have a new 7 month old puppy. He is a German Shepard/Huskie mix and he weighs nearly 60 lbs. and is the biggest “puppy” I’ve ever seen. His name is Sgt. Baxter and he’s a handful! You should see him in Puppy Training 101, he’s the same age as the teacup breeds but he doesn’t get any slack from those dreadful owners. They’re all “Ewwww” and “Stay Away”. I also have a 15 yr. old Shi Tzu, so I think I understand this issue. The people who had Sgt. Baxter tried to have him put down because he was so big and wild. He’s my 6th rescue dog, and I’m loving every minute!

50 posted on 08/01/2007 4:44:56 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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