Skip to comments.Former NASA engineer touts creationism
Posted on 08/04/2007 8:55:32 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
Tom Henderson is not much of a watchmaker. He shakes a small glass jar containing a tiny metallic gear, a brass bezel, a scarred watch crystal and dozens of other nearly microscopic, shiny objects.
But, no watch. He vigorously rattles the container again. Still, no watch. For Henderson, a retired NASA engineer and creationist speaker, that is the point.
No watchmaker no watch.
Hes carried the somewhat-out-of favor message of special creation to nine foreign countries in the past several decades because he is convinced that how we believe the world came to be it is important.
His is a radical message that challenges both mainline and some evangelical church assumptions, as well as those of the scientific community as a whole: that the first few chapters of Genesis are just as literal and authoritative as the rest of the Bible.
Years ago, I traveled to Mexico and spoke on the campus of a left-wing university, he recalled. During the Q&A on creationism, some there accused me of being a CIA spy.
Henderson has never been a spy, of course. He has degrees in math, physics and science education and worked at the Johnson Space Center for 37 years.
Creationism is a step beyond the controversial intelligent design movement that has been involved in text book discussions in various parts of the United States.
Todays intelligent design movement has done a really good job of showing the complexity of creation showing that naturalism cannot be the answer, he said. Of course, intelligent design only suggests a creator, but as a Bible-believing Christian, I have come to know and I can appreciate what the creator has done.
Why should the average person in the pew care? Henderson argues that societal decay, theological erosion and moral bankruptcy will ensue if the evolutionary model is embraced.
The basis for all Christian doctrines is found in the first 11 chapters of Genesis, he said. If it is not true, then what is our basis for morality?
He also said that the evidences he has found for creationism could remove barriers to faith.
For some people, evolution is a barrier to the good news of Jesus. They feel if evolution is true, Christianity cant be and they are right, he said. But if evolution is a myth, then they can take that step to faith.
Although the creationist view has become unpopular in public schools, mass media and other forums, Henderson said that both the Christian school and home-school movement are generally supportive of it.
The Institute of Creation Research, Bob Jones University and other creationist sources produce text books and other materials designed for these groups. National media recently noted the opening of the 60,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky.
Creation arguments range from disputes over the validity of radioactive dating, the claim that life is irreducibly complex, the observation that most mutations are unfavorable and the theory that only a finely tuned universe can manage to produce stars.
Now retired from NASA, Henderson coordinates the Web site www.creationsuperlibrary.com from his Friendswood home, where he answers questions from both believers, skeptics and the merely curious.
Good that these terms and the others have been nailed down so tightly that a genuine philosophical discourse is finally possible.
An engineer endorses Creationism
An engineer designed the I35W bridge which fell into the Mississippi River
To be fair, that was probably lack of maintainance. However, Rockets crashing because NASA engineers can't tell feet from metres requires some other explanation
And the belief in a Creator is the basis for our 'God given' rights, as defined in the Bill of Rights.
This from an NASA engineer with no apparent background in theology. Suddenly the complaints about science getting involved in theology fall silent. Go figure.
In a related development, an evolutionary biologist designs a space probe.
They are not producing scientific textbooks. They are producing religious-based texts.
No, despite what evolutionists would like you to do (accept evolution on the weight of “the majority of scientists” accepting it — even though about 45% of scientists believe God created, either through evolution or through special creation), peer pressure and someone’s opinion are not reasons to accept anything.
I don’t think those kinds of jokes are necessarily appropriate right now, do you?
Now wait, if a theologian supports creationism, you proclaim that he has no expertise in science and has no grounds for supporting creation. Now this guy has a science background, and you’re saying he shouldn’t dabble in religion because he is not a qualified theologian? Why, by your standards, no one would be qualified in supporting creationism from a scientific perspective!
Sometimes when people get to retirement they get to do what they are actually good at. Getting to retirement somehow is unfortunately a necessity for most, but then one’s real interest can be engaged in if one remembers what it was.
The word 'belief' has several meanings. Equating scientific belief or mathematical belief with religious belief is making a meaning stew, which the opposite direction from reasoning things out or doing philosophy.
Evolution, no matter how much evidence is interpreted to support it, is still based on unprovable, untestable, unobservable, unrepeatable assumptions about the earth’s past, and as such, constitutes a faith bordering on religious.
Sorry, that happens not to be the case. No matter how many times you repeat it, its still not true.
But, if you do want to see "unprovable, untestable, unobservable, unrepeatable assumptions" you need only look to religions.
This is important, although not often noted: now and then someone suggests a mechanism that might have caused the similarities, and later the suggestion is replaced by a better, but that is of zero importance. Only the similarities and the means of classification matter.
And this is why evolutionists never want to see the theory of evolution denied. No creation=no basis for morality. And that's a fact.
When using a more limited definition of evolution, it behooves you to say so. In general, when I refer to evolution, I refer to the Grand Theory of Evolution. On this smaller scale of evolution, simply measuring species and the alleged uniform family tree, the evidence still does not weigh in its favor.
Whose joking? I'm not. You chose to post a story where an engineer from NASA, the visonary sort, to bolster an argument for Creationism. Engineers have no special insight into metaphysical and theological arguments.
In spite of all the talk about the I34W probably failing from neglect, enough reports have surfaced where inspectors noticed structural members were bowing. As a structural engineer, I would suspect the such members are undersized by the engineer who caried out the design. Engineers are not infallible when carrying out earthly work. Perhaps, holding up engineers to convince us of Creationism is the real joke.
“Touts” Nothing like using a loaded word in the headline.
Another lie...there is NO evangelical church that believes in evolution...
Oh, the GToE. Well, that's a different deal.
That's where you're wrong. You are projecting your inadequacies upon others. The theory of evolution, and those who successfully study it, rely upon evidence and reason to reach their results. Just because you rely on faith to comprehend things too complex for you to understand, does not mean that others do so.
Your posting history shows you do not understand the theory of evolution, or the evidence supporting it. Try learning about science before thinking you are qualified to criticize science (and plan on spending at least a couple decades; that's how long it takes).
You mean a visit to Answers in Genesis and staying at a Holiday Inn Express isn't enough?
Um...I wouldn’t be so sure...
Engineers have no special insight into metaphysical and theological arguments.I have to tell you, I am quite tickled by this new tack that is being taken. For years, the words of creationists have been discounted by Darwinists because they lacked scientific credentials. Now that I highlight a highly-credentialed individual, you argue that he has no basis for referencing theological matters, because he is a scientist!
Engineers are not infallible when carrying out earthly work. Perhaps, holding up engineers to convince us of Creationism is the real joke.By merit of that argument, any expert in any field is unqualified to offer an opinion on anything if it can be proven that any other person that shares his specialty has made a gross error at some point in the past. Indelibly absurd, my friend.
Yeah, so what is your point? You use a hammer not a drinking glass to drive nails. And drydocks exist for a purpose.
It was not the failure of the I35W bridge designer.
From you laughing emoticon, I can tell you are not shocked by the I35W example. And, from the paragraph above, I can tell you don't listen. I did not say your NASA engineer could not speak about Creationism. He simply has no metaphysical authority on the topic because he is an engineer. He will have to derive his argument from metaphysics or theology. When I attended engineering school, not one word of God was mentioned. It's not in the curriculum. Also, as an engineer, he is not a scientist as you call him. Engineers learn science but they practice engineering. Learning science does not make a scientist.
You have got to grow up and separate faith from science. Faith can have many positive outcomes in peoples lives but you are spinning your wheels attempting to demonstrate any proof of God, Creationism, or whatever. Proving the opposite is equally futile. This was one of Martin Luther's reasons for leaving the Catholic Church. He got tired of Medieval Catholic clergy trying to use Aristotelean logic to prove God's existence. Martin Luther understood you have to believe by faith alone.
Maybe it was an act of God.
No, an earthquake would fit that bill. It was a human failure, but not of the designer.
Yes, it is just a grand conspiracy. I hear that the Freemasons and the Illuminati are also involved.
Are you kidding me? He is an engineer, not a scientist. If you are neither of those you obviously would not know the difference. Sometimes there is overlap. But not in this case. I'll give you a hint why this is a problem: a engineer who works with physical systems has no training in biology. I thought that was obvious, but apparently it is not.
Oh wait, I was wrong. I distinctly remember in my partial differential equations class where we stopped solving spherical Bessel equations and all took a break to watch cell mitosis in the biology lab. Or was I daydreaming?
So that proves that Creationism and/or Intelligent Design cannot have any possible chance of being viable theories???????
Man, you will never sell that to the staunch, diehard, exclude-all-other-possiblilities evolutionists.
Creationism and ID are religious beliefs. They rely on scripture and dogma, not observation, testing and disproof, and theory building.
If you want an example, look at the supposed global flood about 4350 years ago. The scientific evidence is overwhelmingly against this idea, but believers don't care; for most of them the global flood is not subject to scientific disproof (i.e., it is a religious belief).
Thanks for posting that. It is quite telling that more and more engineers are rejecting the mathematically-impossible idea of evolution. I’m glad that more people realize that evolution is a symptom of our society’s moral decay.
Show me where I have ever made such a proclamation
Now this guy has a science background, and youre saying he shouldnt dabble in religion because he is not a qualified theologian? Why, by your standards, no one would be qualified in supporting creationism from a scientific perspective!
There's a log more than talking about scientific evidence and arguments in support of cretionism going on there. We're talking about declaring the first 11 books of Genesis the basis for all of Christianity, and the only basis for morality there is.
Evolution, paleontology, biology, genetics, and the rest are branches of science. They are characterized by adherence to the scientific method.
Put the blame for your perceived "moral decay" elsewhere.
For the life of me, your line of thought escapes me. I am deeply Christian, and have found profound basis for morality in the context of our worldy evolution and survival, in paralell with our spiritual evolution toward grace. We adapt to the rules and thrive; those unable to adapt perish. The rules are God's rules, and there's nothing we can do to change them.
FRIend, truth is what the bible tells us to seek; it sets us free. God works His wonders any way He pleases, and some truths may surprise and offend us. Tough beans. Get over it. You read motivations into a template you have for "evolutionists" that is wildly misguided. Why does evolution shake the faith of so many? *sigh*
Ironically, in many of these cases these foolish folks put "evoltionists" into the same "bad science" category as they do global warming Nazis. Yet if the earth is as young as they say it is, then certainly evidence would support man-caused global warming. We're screwed.
They're following something false in the name of Christianity ... *red flags* ...
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That's a good point.
The global warming man-is-responsible hysteria is beginning to see significant counter evidence published, not just in the technical journals (where it has always been) but also in some of the mainstream outlets.
But your point of logic regarding a young earth is good.
The same logic also applies to Hominid evolution. I have seen a creationist website host an article stating that all of the various Homo species (Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, etc.) evolved from modern man after the global flood. The logical consequence of that idea is that evolution took place just as evolutionists have claimed, but about 200 times as quickly and in reverse! (Whoops!)
Another "unintended consequence" of a young earth is the radioactive elements. For them to have reached their present state of decay in 6,000 years rather than 4.5 billion years would have released enough heat in that short of a time to have cooked the earth. (We're stewed.)
Who, besides you intolerant evolutionists, says that Intelligent Design is a religous belief?
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