Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Drudge Flash: The soil on Mars may contain microbial life!
DrudgeReport ^ | 8/23/07 | Drudge

Posted on 08/23/2007 9:20:12 AM PDT by LibWhacker

The soil on Mars may contain microbial life!

Joop Houtkooper of the University of Giessen, Germany, will declare on Friday the Viking spacecraft may have found signs of a weird life form based on hydrogen peroxide on the subfreezing, arid Martian surface.

His analysis of one of the experiments carried out by the Viking spacecraft suggests that 0.1 percent of the Martian soil could be of biological origin.

That is roughly comparable to biomass levels found in some Antarctic permafrost, home to a range of hardy bacteria and lichen.

Developing....


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: abiogenesis; creation; crevolist; evolution; gilbertlevin; hydrogen; hydrogenperoxide; labeledrelease; life; loadofbologna; mars; microbial; peroxide; savethehype4sunday; soil
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-94 next last

1 posted on 08/23/2007 9:20:14 AM PDT by LibWhacker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Mars Attacks!


2 posted on 08/23/2007 9:22:00 AM PDT by samtheman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

I bet they’re Democrats


3 posted on 08/23/2007 9:22:24 AM PDT by The Raven
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: The Raven

And nothing has evolved, huh? Hmmmm. :-)


4 posted on 08/23/2007 9:22:46 AM PDT by freepertoo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
Very cool if true! I can't wait for the additional data to come out on this.

What exciting times we live in!
5 posted on 08/23/2007 9:23:22 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
may have found signs of a weird life

Doesn't sound very promising to me. I guess they've tried looking at the soil with a microscope to see if anything is moving around? That'd be a certain sign of life anyway.

6 posted on 08/23/2007 9:24:12 AM PDT by bkepley
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

I wonder if there’s a race of Bill Mahers oozing about up there.


7 posted on 08/23/2007 9:24:20 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

However the fetus on earth remains a glob of cells that can be desposed of by a woman’s choice.


8 posted on 08/23/2007 9:24:52 AM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

“life form based on hydrogen peroxide “

Wow, bet they bubble up when poured on a wound.

.....Bob


9 posted on 08/23/2007 9:25:09 AM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Waitaminit...Viking??? The landers that reached Mars in 1976??? Didn’t those landers stop working decades ago?


10 posted on 08/23/2007 9:25:50 AM PDT by hoagy62 (Happily watching the Left go full-goose bozo.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: reagan_fanatic

I love the hydrogen peroxide angle. If it turns out to be true, we’ll know for certain it wasn’t caused by cross-contamination!


11 posted on 08/23/2007 9:26:01 AM PDT by LibWhacker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: meowmeow

desposed = disposed


12 posted on 08/23/2007 9:26:08 AM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Which Viking mission is this? The probe sent to do digging does not reach mars until september 18 of 2008.


13 posted on 08/23/2007 9:26:33 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
Australian news article
14 posted on 08/23/2007 9:27:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Has Russia made a claim on Mars-Oil-Rights yet?


15 posted on 08/23/2007 9:27:19 AM PDT by YouPosting2Me (My Mission: Get 'Millee' to start using a Tagline again...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625

Martian soil may contain life

By Ben Hirschler in London
August 24, 2007 01:23am

The search for life on Mars appeared to hit a dead end in 1976 when Viking landers touched down on the red planet and failed to detect biological activity.

But Joop Houtkooper of the University of Giessen, Germany, said the spacecraft may in fact have found signs of a weird life form based on hydrogen peroxide on the subfreezing, arid Martian surface.

His analysis of one of the experiments carried out by the Viking spacecraft suggests that 0.1 per cent of the Martian soil could be of biological origin.

That is roughly comparable to biomass levels found in some Antarctic permafrost, home to a range of hardy bacteria and lichen.

“It is interesting because one part per thousand is not a small amount,” Mr Houtkooper said.

“We will have to find confirmatory evidence and see what kind of microbes these are and whether they are related to terrestrial microbes.

"It is a possibility that life has been transported from Earth to Mars or vice versa a long time ago.”

Speculation about such interplanetary seeding was fuelled a decade ago when researchers said an ancient meteorite found in Antarctica contained evidence of fossil life on Mars.

Doubt has since been cast on that finding.

Mr Houtkooper is presenting his research to the European Planetary Science Congress in Potsdam, Germany.

Life, but not as we know it

While most scientists think our next-door neighbour in the solar system is lifeless, the discovery of microbes on Earth that can exist in environments previously thought too hostile has fuelled debate over extraterrestrial life.

Mr Houtkooper believes Mars could be home to just such “extremophiles” - in this case, microbes whose cells are filled with a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and water, providing them with natural anti-freeze.

They would be quite capable of surviving a harsh Martian climate where temperatures rarely rise above freezing and can fall to minus 150C.

Mr Houtkooper believes their presence would account for unexplained rises in oxygen and carbon dioxide when NASA's Viking landers incubated Martian soil.

He bases his calculation of the biomass of Martian soil on the assumption that these gases were produced during the breakdown of organic material.

Scientists hope to gather further evidence on whether or not Mars ever supported life when NASA's next-generation robotic spacecraft, the Phoenix Mars Lander, reaches the planet in May 2008 and probes the soil near its northern pole.


16 posted on 08/23/2007 9:27:38 AM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: hoagy62

They took another look at 1970’s Viking data


17 posted on 08/23/2007 9:28:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Probably contamination from our probe . They should be washed with soap and water after each use.


18 posted on 08/23/2007 9:28:26 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. F Troop)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
"I love the hydrogen peroxide angle."

Me too...imagine, a planet full of blondes!

19 posted on 08/23/2007 9:29:13 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
Simple hydrogen peroxide lifeforms.
20 posted on 08/23/2007 9:29:48 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

I’m going to Mars to be a hydrogen peroxide rancher. We’ll crush the Listerine brand with our super-cheap mouthwash. The only problem will be shipping costs. Well, the shipping costs and the destruction of all existing life on earth by hydrogen peroxide based lifeforms overrunning the planet.


21 posted on 08/23/2007 9:29:50 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is the conservative in the race.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepertoo

Cross contamination from asteroids hitting the earth and the material landing on Mars.


22 posted on 08/23/2007 9:29:50 AM PDT by fishtank ("Amnesty" and "amnesia" are from the same root word !!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Could be. Could also be old news. What we ought to wonder about is that Mars has no magnetic field of any consequence yet Mars rock has preferred magnetism directions as if Mars had a magnetic field once as it had an atmosphere once. If planetary magnetism is due to the core as is claimed for earth, where did Mars’ magnetic field go? We can discuss Jupiter and the sun.


23 posted on 08/23/2007 9:29:54 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hoagy62
"NASA's Viking Mission to Mars was composed of two spacecraft, Viking 1 and Viking 2, each consisting of an orbiter and a lander. The primary mission objectives were to obtain high resolution images of the Martian surface, characterize the structure and composition of the atmosphere and surface, and search for evidence of life.

Viking 1 was launched on August 20, 1975 and arrived at Mars on June 19, 1976. The first month of orbit was devoted to imaging the surface to find appropriate landing sites for the Viking Landers. On July 20, 1976 the Viking 1 Lander separated from the Orbiter and touched down at Chryse Planitia (22.48° N, 49.97° W planetographic, 1.5 km below the datum (6.1 mbar) elevation). Viking 2 was launched September 9, 1975 and entered Mars orbit on August 7, 1976. The Viking 2 Lander touched down at Utopia Planitia (47.97° N, 225.74° W, 3 km below the datum elevation) on September 3, 1976.

24 posted on 08/23/2007 9:29:54 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker; mikrofon; Charles Henrickson
Joop Houtkooper

Our Joke Photo Op.

25 posted on 08/23/2007 9:30:17 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Thou Poor Joke Op)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hoagy62

Yep, they’re still looking at the data though. This wouldn’t be the first time someone has announced the data support life on Mars. The guy (can’t remember his name right now) who designed the experiment where they heated up soil samples and looked at the gases that were given off, always thought it proved there was life on Mars.


26 posted on 08/23/2007 9:30:23 AM PDT by LibWhacker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
weird life form based on hydrogen peroxide

L

27 posted on 08/23/2007 9:31:51 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
His analysis of one of the experiments carried out by the Viking spacecraft suggests that 0.1 per cent of the Martian soil could be of biological origin.

Does that mean poop?

28 posted on 08/23/2007 9:32:41 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

bttt


29 posted on 08/23/2007 9:32:44 AM PDT by dragnet2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
may have found signs of a weird life form based on hydrogen peroxide on the subfreezing

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

So basically darling, you've found a blond on ice. Sounds like a Hugh Hefner party to me.

30 posted on 08/23/2007 9:32:57 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions - G. K. Chesterton)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hoagy62
Waitaminit...Viking??? The landers that reached Mars in 1976???

No. That is where the astronauts planted the American flag, according to Rep. Cynthia McKinney.

31 posted on 08/23/2007 9:33:15 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The measure of a country is not how many people are wanting to come in, but how many want to leave.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
And they will be shown to have tiny micoscopic flying saucers that have been visiting earth for years.

The Indians, aka Native Americans, Original Settlers, etc.,refer to these craft that deliver stinging bite-like wounds as "No-see-ums."

32 posted on 08/23/2007 9:34:01 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

If true, COOL!


33 posted on 08/23/2007 9:34:22 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: edcoil

The two probes sent in the 70s. Amazing, but they are still looking at (and reinterpreting) the data.


34 posted on 08/23/2007 9:35:10 AM PDT by LibWhacker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
35 posted on 08/23/2007 9:36:01 AM PDT by b4its2late (I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect; therefore, I am perfect.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

As no such hydrogen peroxide life forms exist on Earth nor appear to have ever existed here, proof of such Mars based life would be evidence that life is common in the rest of the universe. It would probably take a return mission with a intact samples on board to truly prove the existence of such an exotic form of life.


36 posted on 08/23/2007 9:37:23 AM PDT by Jeff F
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Horta poo


37 posted on 08/23/2007 9:39:08 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (I like Rodney Carrington's recipe for World Peace.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neodad

Those Germans know their poop.


38 posted on 08/23/2007 9:39:24 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. F Troop)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Abathar

Man, that brings back some memories. My father was working for NASA Langley during the time of Viking, and he was sent out to Pasadena for two weeks to troubleshoot the imager for V1. I have a photo taken by the actual Viking 1 camera of the JPL parking lot. My father also says that somewhere out there is a photo consisting of a landscape with three images of Carl Sagan, after he stood still for one part of the panoramic image, then ran over to the middle of the shot and stood still, then ran over to the far end of the view. The camera panned so slowly, taking one vertical strip at a time, that he was able to show up three times in the same shot.


39 posted on 08/23/2007 9:39:30 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (There's more than one way to burn a book. - Ray Bradbury)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Greg F

“I’m going to Mars to be a hydrogen peroxide rancher.”

And give up your dental floss ranch in Montana?


40 posted on 08/23/2007 9:39:37 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

I for one welcome our new hydrogen peroxide microbial overlords.


41 posted on 08/23/2007 9:40:00 AM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Joop Houtkooper has discovered how to get increased funding.


42 posted on 08/23/2007 9:40:23 AM PDT by ZGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Arrowhead1952
This is the idiot who asked if Pathfinder "...could see the flag"

She also said that hurricane names are 'too white'. (Embarrassing.)
43 posted on 08/23/2007 9:41:15 AM PDT by evets (beer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

44 posted on 08/23/2007 9:42:16 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: b4its2late

Can you put the NOLA Beer Guy in there?


45 posted on 08/23/2007 9:42:29 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: freepertoo
And nothing has evolved, huh? Hmmmm. :-)
I see your smile there, but I'll take this opportunity to point out to those who would repeat your words seriously: nothing can evolve under the wracking rays of UV that such a thin atmosphere allows.
46 posted on 08/23/2007 9:43:06 AM PDT by samtheman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

many knew the data was consistent with life, originally.


47 posted on 08/23/2007 9:43:57 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Yup. IIRC, he swore on his deathbed that the results of the tests firmly indicated life was there.

We may very well know absolutely in ten months or so when Phoenix sets down.


48 posted on 08/23/2007 9:45:40 AM PDT by djf (America welcomes immigrants! Sadly, America welcomes crimmigrants even more...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
Amazing, but they are still looking at (and reinterpreting) the data.

Consider how much data is arriving every day from scientific satellites. Much of it is available for the amateur to go over if he wants to download and do whatever analysis he chooses. So much data is already archived that it would keep doctoral candidates in astronomy loaded with possible dissertations for hundreds of years. The data is just sitting, maybe once looked at for a purpose and then filed.

49 posted on 08/23/2007 9:46:25 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Peroxide Powered!!!

50 posted on 08/23/2007 9:49:20 AM PDT by YouPosting2Me (My Mission: Get 'Millee' to start using a Tagline again...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-94 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson